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Re: The Man of Steel
Green Lantern replace Superman? No way.
Green Lantern replace Superman? No way.
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Re: The Man of Steel
Iron Man while amazingly more popular is hardly the Marvel poster boy. That has been and will probably always will be Spider-Man. He is the icon similar to Superman being the icon for DC Comics. GL as much as I love the character, has a long long long way to go before even being considered amongst the top tier (Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman). Even Wondy has taken a backseat as of late so look for Bats to fill that in and everyone else to just be there.
Iron Man while amazingly more popular is hardly the Marvel poster boy. That has been and will probably always will be Spider-Man. He is the icon similar to Superman being the icon for DC Comics. GL as much as I love the character, has a long long long way to go before even being considered amongst the top tier (Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman). Even Wondy has taken a backseat as of late so look for Bats to fill that in and everyone else to just be there.
EVILFACE
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Re: The Man of Steel
When I think if Superheroes, it goes in order:
Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Hulk
Captain Marvel
When I think if Superheroes, it goes in order:
Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Hulk
Captain Marvel
DinoLast
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Re: The Man of Steel
All my previous comments that I have made, have been to try and understand why WB/DC don't seem to want to fight to keep Superman.
That's the big question why do they not fight to keep him? Just make a movie. No matter what I can think of, it makes no sense.
It's like Disney letting Mickey Mouse go to Dreamworks
All my previous comments that I have made, have been to try and understand why WB/DC don't seem to want to fight to keep Superman.
That's the big question why do they not fight to keep him? Just make a movie. No matter what I can think of, it makes no sense.
It's like Disney letting Mickey Mouse go to Dreamworks
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In terms of DC characters, I would probably also list GL as below Superman, Bats, Wonder Woman, and Captain Marvel, at least. I would personally even put Flash above him. He just seems more iconic and well-known to me, though I guess that could be debated.
I think of GL as on the same level as Aquaman in terms of how many people probably know about him and think of him as a "major" force in the DC "universe." Just my perception of things.
In terms of DC characters, I would probably also list GL as below Superman, Bats, Wonder Woman, and Captain Marvel, at least. I would personally even put Flash above him. He just seems more iconic and well-known to me, though I guess that could be debated.
I think of GL as on the same level as Aquaman in terms of how many people probably know about him and think of him as a "major" force in the DC "universe." Just my perception of things.
DinoLast
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Re: The Man of Steel
That's probably true at the moment, but if the GL movie is a major success like Iron Man, the pecking order will change
That's probably true at the moment, but if the GL movie is a major success like Iron Man, the pecking order will change
pjam
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Re: The Man of Steel
Big Superman News. The Studio has Chris Nolan involved...
https://www.deadline.com/hollywood/...ntor-superman-3-0-while-preparing-3rd-batman/
Big Superman News. The Studio has Chris Nolan involved...
https://www.deadline.com/hollywood/...ntor-superman-3-0-while-preparing-3rd-batman/
KneelBeforrSmallville
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I hope Nolan gets Tom Welling to play the man of steel, he has played him for 10 years now give it a shot. It needs a good director and i like the fact Nolan as a producer. Makes the idea of a Superman:Batman Live action movie look reall good! im excited!
I hope Nolan gets Tom Welling to play the man of steel, he has played him for 10 years now give it a shot. It needs a good director and i like the fact Nolan as a producer. Makes the idea of a Superman:Batman Live action movie look reall good! im excited!
ProgMatinee
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Re: The Man of Steel
the trick to making a blockbuster Superman is you need a mega baddy that isn't just an brainy Lex Luther.
people want to see fight scenes, not Supes chacing after missles in outerspace...
They need a Metallo or Doomsday. Something big where you can have a real drag out brawl that damages buildings and can really show off special effects.
the trick to making a blockbuster Superman is you need a mega baddy that isn't just an brainy Lex Luther.
people want to see fight scenes, not Supes chacing after missles in outerspace...
They need a Metallo or Doomsday. Something big where you can have a real drag out brawl that damages buildings and can really show off special effects.
KneelBeforrSmallville
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Re: The Man of Steel
Yeah Alot of good action is a must. And they need characters that can act the roles good. Tom Welling is a good choice IMO. They need a mega baddy villian like Darkseid or somthing!!. It needs to be on an Epic scale!
Yeah Alot of good action is a must. And they need characters that can act the roles good. Tom Welling is a good choice IMO. They need a mega baddy villian like Darkseid or somthing!!. It needs to be on an Epic scale!
ProgMatinee
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Re: The Man of Steel
I don't know how to word it, frinetic, kinetic. it needs crash bang boom. the last one all the action is him flying around in open space. I liked the airplane rescue, but in wide open air space there is no context of how crazy it is.
they need to set scenes like where Supes and Bizarro for example are in a dog fight around Metropolis, zig zagging around buildings, clipping billboards
I don't know how to word it, frinetic, kinetic. it needs crash bang boom. the last one all the action is him flying around in open space. I liked the airplane rescue, but in wide open air space there is no context of how crazy it is.
they need to set scenes like where Supes and Bizarro for example are in a dog fight around Metropolis, zig zagging around buildings, clipping billboards
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This is a double edged sword. Nolan is a fantastic director and there is no denying what he has done with Batman but his major angle was to place Batman into the modern world, to make the character accessible. A regular guy who has a ton of money trying to make a difference, to make his city safer. Superman is amazingly detached from reality. The basic construct of the character is suspending belief that an alien who crash lands on Earth cares so much about his adoptive planet that he uses his powers to protect instead of enslave.
In order to hit the register needed they'll have to delve into Superman's own sense of humanity and where he fits, really play up the orphan angle which will collide with the "Wham, Bam, Thank you M'am" action that people are clammering for. Also since its a reboot the temptation to use Lex Luthor again and tell the origin again is there.
If Nolan is writing I have a feeling that he'll give us an origin story similar to Batman Begins where is a fresh angle (In the comics Birthright did that fantastically) but that we won't see Supes until Act 3 at least in full costuming.
Where the double edge comes in where it might parallel too close to Batman where Superman isn't at all that side of the coin. If it feels like the Batman formula just with Clark Kent I don't think that will vibe as well. It IS good news though that they are finally trying to put him on-screen before 2013 and not just letting the license go but if they can get it on-screen by 2012 as they want to, it'll go head to head with The Avengers....that'll be interesting
This is a double edged sword. Nolan is a fantastic director and there is no denying what he has done with Batman but his major angle was to place Batman into the modern world, to make the character accessible. A regular guy who has a ton of money trying to make a difference, to make his city safer. Superman is amazingly detached from reality. The basic construct of the character is suspending belief that an alien who crash lands on Earth cares so much about his adoptive planet that he uses his powers to protect instead of enslave.
In order to hit the register needed they'll have to delve into Superman's own sense of humanity and where he fits, really play up the orphan angle which will collide with the "Wham, Bam, Thank you M'am" action that people are clammering for. Also since its a reboot the temptation to use Lex Luthor again and tell the origin again is there.
If Nolan is writing I have a feeling that he'll give us an origin story similar to Batman Begins where is a fresh angle (In the comics Birthright did that fantastically) but that we won't see Supes until Act 3 at least in full costuming.
Where the double edge comes in where it might parallel too close to Batman where Superman isn't at all that side of the coin. If it feels like the Batman formula just with Clark Kent I don't think that will vibe as well. It IS good news though that they are finally trying to put him on-screen before 2013 and not just letting the license go but if they can get it on-screen by 2012 as they want to, it'll go head to head with The Avengers....that'll be interesting
ProgMatinee
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do we really need an origin story? do people need to be retold how he grew up on a farm in Kansas and all that? I don't think so. Drop us in on the action. I like Batman Begins, but I don't think we need that here. Uh, just thinking about having to watch the meteor land in Kansas, him being found by the Kents, him in highschool, him getting a job at the daily planet, him meeting Lois. Man...8 years of Smallville was enough. Nolan used the right cure for the Batman problem, but what ails Superman is totally different and will need a different approach.
do we really need an origin story? do people need to be retold how he grew up on a farm in Kansas and all that? I don't think so. Drop us in on the action. I like Batman Begins, but I don't think we need that here. Uh, just thinking about having to watch the meteor land in Kansas, him being found by the Kents, him in highschool, him getting a job at the daily planet, him meeting Lois. Man...8 years of Smallville was enough. Nolan used the right cure for the Batman problem, but what ails Superman is totally different and will need a different approach.
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cerealkeller
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I'm torn on this. LOVE NOLAN, but as has been stated, we don't need to see an origin story again. Donner got that right in the first Superman. I think we need a Superman movie to just start off introducing a new nemesis and story arc not seen on screen before and go from there.
I trust Nolans' involvement will make for a great film, but the biggest part of me wants him to go back to non franchise/mess-with-your brain films like he's doing with Inception. I recently rewatched Memento and The Following and miss those types of films by him.
I would be lying tho by saying I'm not excited by this news, because his involvement means a quality Superman film with a great story at the very least.
I'm torn on this. LOVE NOLAN, but as has been stated, we don't need to see an origin story again. Donner got that right in the first Superman. I think we need a Superman movie to just start off introducing a new nemesis and story arc not seen on screen before and go from there.
I trust Nolans' involvement will make for a great film, but the biggest part of me wants him to go back to non franchise/mess-with-your brain films like he's doing with Inception. I recently rewatched Memento and The Following and miss those types of films by him.
I would be lying tho by saying I'm not excited by this news, because his involvement means a quality Superman film with a great story at the very least.
Mad Old Lu
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Re: The Man of Steel
Singer did it right by just doing that little flashback to when Clark "discovers" his powers. Just touching on his origin should be enough.
And to your point, the Mike, the movie should really have a sense of wonder and hope, just like we would feel if Superman were to truly exist in our world. How "awesome" (try to look past this word's overuse) would it be to witness a man FLYING! And that he would fight for truth, justice and "all that stuff"
And I can see a great fight with Supes and another super villain play out like the end of Matrix Revolutions. But I think they should save it for the sequel and have the first one be more about the world coming to terms with this alien savior. There is plenty of bad in the world right now that Supes can deal with.
I'm hopeful Nolan will thoroughly explore the character so that the audience can have a real connection.
Singer did it right by just doing that little flashback to when Clark "discovers" his powers. Just touching on his origin should be enough.
And to your point, the Mike, the movie should really have a sense of wonder and hope, just like we would feel if Superman were to truly exist in our world. How "awesome" (try to look past this word's overuse) would it be to witness a man FLYING! And that he would fight for truth, justice and "all that stuff"
And I can see a great fight with Supes and another super villain play out like the end of Matrix Revolutions. But I think they should save it for the sequel and have the first one be more about the world coming to terms with this alien savior. There is plenty of bad in the world right now that Supes can deal with.
I'm hopeful Nolan will thoroughly explore the character so that the audience can have a real connection.
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I am glad Supes may be coming back to the silver screen. I am not opposed to an origins story which defines the character persay. Sure everyone is fimilar with the story (Krypton, Kents, Daily Bugle etc.) however, a story that develops the character's thoughts, actions, struggles which define him as "The Man of Steel" is not such a bad thing IMO.
I hope we get a villian besides Luther.
If Luther is to be the villian, then make him a worthy advisary.
I am glad Supes may be coming back to the silver screen. I am not opposed to an origins story which defines the character persay. Sure everyone is fimilar with the story (Krypton, Kents, Daily Bugle etc.) however, a story that develops the character's thoughts, actions, struggles which define him as "The Man of Steel" is not such a bad thing IMO.
I hope we get a villian besides Luther.
If Luther is to be the villian, then make him a worthy advisary.
intothevoid
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Totally agree and yes, please no more origin stories ahh!!
They need a different approach - just can't think of what! But i'm sure Nolan can
Totally agree and yes, please no more origin stories ahh!!
They need a different approach - just can't think of what! But i'm sure Nolan can
grphyx1
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Re: The Man of Steel
IMO some characters work well on pages and not in real life. Although I thought they did the best recreation in Superman Returns, to tell a proper Superman story you need a proper villian and it takes buildup to mainstream a good one. And enough with the kryptonite weakness thing. He should remain a comic book.
IMO some characters work well on pages and not in real life. Although I thought they did the best recreation in Superman Returns, to tell a proper Superman story you need a proper villian and it takes buildup to mainstream a good one. And enough with the kryptonite weakness thing. He should remain a comic book.
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Singer was continuing an already established story by his own mouth Superman Returns was essentially Superman 3... Whether you thought it was right or not, or well done or not, it doesn't really apply. This is a complete reboot. They handled origin quickly and well in The Incredible Hulk but who knows if that is what WB has in mind.
Then you are forced to include an origin, what sense does it make to have the world deal with an Alien savior yet not incorporate what makes him alien?
Smallville, the cartoons, the Donner/Singer films, Lois and Clark TV show, Superboy TV Show, etc. All different continuities, all different takes on it. With a complete reboot whomever the director is NEEDS to put their own stamp on the origin to make it fresh for the audience. You cannot have a new take on a hero without including that component, now how much time it takes on-screen well that is a different thing altogether.
We will not escape an origin of some kind, whether the director is saavy enough to get it short and to the point pulling for the idea that the audience is well versed in some fashion with the hero is the real issue.
Singer was continuing an already established story by his own mouth Superman Returns was essentially Superman 3... Whether you thought it was right or not, or well done or not, it doesn't really apply. This is a complete reboot. They handled origin quickly and well in The Incredible Hulk but who knows if that is what WB has in mind.
Then you are forced to include an origin, what sense does it make to have the world deal with an Alien savior yet not incorporate what makes him alien?
Smallville, the cartoons, the Donner/Singer films, Lois and Clark TV show, Superboy TV Show, etc. All different continuities, all different takes on it. With a complete reboot whomever the director is NEEDS to put their own stamp on the origin to make it fresh for the audience. You cannot have a new take on a hero without including that component, now how much time it takes on-screen well that is a different thing altogether.
We will not escape an origin of some kind, whether the director is saavy enough to get it short and to the point pulling for the idea that the audience is well versed in some fashion with the hero is the real issue.
ProgMatinee
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Re: The Man of Steel
disagree completely. whatever continuity is chosen the origin of Superman/Clark will always be.
Krypton destoyed
Meteor spaceship
Baby found in Kansas
Grows up learning powers
Joins Daily Planet
Meets Lois Lane
What are they gonna change to that?
disagree completely. whatever continuity is chosen the origin of Superman/Clark will always be.
Krypton destoyed
Meteor spaceship
Baby found in Kansas
Grows up learning powers
Joins Daily Planet
Meets Lois Lane
What are they gonna change to that?
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