Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[jye4ever]

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so basically Superman is a modern day False-Christ wannabe

Jesus Christ was the true Superman 2,000 years ago

oh noze, here we go again

 

[CelticPredator]

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Everyone>you

Oh Christ.....

 

[Nightwing]

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Oh Christ.....

How old are you?

 

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

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Cant wait to see this on Thursday

I hope its fight scenes are better than anything seen in superhero movies as I've heard.

 

[jye4ever]

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Cant wait to see this on Thursday

I hope its fight scenes are better than anything seen in superhero movies as I've heard.

Word is big time yes.

Even more so than Ghost Rider 2 and Xmen Origins.

This movie is no joke.

 

[CelticPredator]

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How old are you?

Old enough to make my own religous choices.

anyway, get this poo-poo out of here. Teemu has ruined enough threads with his "gospel"....

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

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Looking forward to seeing it tomorrow. I'm sure it'll be alright and entertaining, and I couldn't ask for anything more.

 

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

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How old are you?

Old enough to make my own religous choices.

anyway, get this poo-poo out of here. Teemu has ruined enough threads with his "gospel"....

What the..........c'mon guys.....

 

[a-dev]

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What theme? Do you mean the drums that repeats itself over and over?

.............you like it?

 

[SnakeDoctor]

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so basically Superman is a modern day False-Christ wannabe

Jesus Christ was the true Superman 2,000 years ago

The original story is more of a false-Moses wannabe.

SnakeDoc

 

[jye4ever]

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The original story is more of a false-Moses wannabe.

SnakeDoc

 

[SnakeDoctor]

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I don't think the Christ comparison works all that well for Superman. Moses fits much better. Moses inspired and led. Christ bled and sacrificed.

The problem with calling Superman "Christ-like" is that "Christ-like" isn't made so much by the miracles performed here, but by the sacrifice ... a sacrifice that Superman never makes with any permanence. Its the humanity that makes it sacrificial.

In that regard, Batman is more Christ-like. Granted, he doesn't die permanently either ... but he sacrifices much more of his life and lifestyle for those he protects than does Superman. Batman is a beaten and broken man because of his crusade. Superman is not. Batman isn't invincible ... he's tortured, his charmed life is in ruins, and he takes much more of a beating for those he saves than does Superman. Batman bears a much heavier cross because Batman is human, feels human pain, and can make human sacrifices.

On the other hand, there is a darkness and anger to Batman that does destroy the metaphor a bit. With regard to his fundamental goodness -- Superman fits the Christ metaphor better than Batman. Supernatural goodness, I suppose. In that way, Batman represents humanity more than Christ. He is fallen and seeking redemption through the life he lives. Superman isn't fallen ... he's aspirational. So is Christ.

Its an interesting discussion, though ... even for the non-religious, I would guess.

SnakeDoc

 

[jye4ever]

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I don't think the Christ comparison works all that well for Superman. Moses fits much better. Moses inspired and led. Christ bled and sacrificed.

The problem with calling Superman "Christ-like" is that "Christ-like" isn't made so much by the miracles performed here, but by the sacrifice ... a sacrifice that Superman never makes with any permanence. Its the humanity that makes it sacrificial.

In that regard, Batman is more Christ-like. Granted, he doesn't die permanently either ... but he sacrifices much more of his life and lifestyle for those he protects than does Superman. Batman is a beaten and broken man because of his crusade. Superman is not. Batman isn't invincible ... he's tortured, his charmed life is in ruins, and he takes much more of a beating for those he saves than does Superman. Batman bears a much heavier cross because Batman is human, feels human pain, and can make human sacrifices.

Its an interesting discussion, though.

SnakeDoc

They just like to pose Superman in Christ like poses because Moses really never had a famous pose.



Maybe holding the tablets.

 

[tomandshell]

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Some of the greatest works of literature in history have religious/spiritual themes and/or symbolism, and readers throughout the centuries have been mature enough to read and consider them regardless of their own personal creeds, convictions or lack thereof.

I think there is a certain amount of that stuff inherent in the Superman myth--it didn't bother me in Superman Returns and it won't bother me in Man of Steel, if it's there. I don't think this is a case of somebody reading themes into the story that haven't been placed there by the filmmakers. If they want to make Superman a savior/Christ figure, it won't be the first time or the last. I don't mind, just as long as he also takes a minute here and there to fly around shooting laser beams out of his eyes.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

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They just like to pose Superman in Christ like poses because Moses really never had a famous pose.



Maybe holding the tablets.

That's probably true. It worked better in Superman Returns than it looks like it will in Man of Steel. In Returns, Superman looked dead at the time. He even disappeared out of the room before the woman came in three days later.

In MOS, he doesn't look dead. Without the death/resurrection metaphor, it doesn't fit as well. Then again, I haven't seen MOS ... and I didn't read that review ... so what do I know about it?

Thursday at around 9pm, I'll know a bit better.

SnakeDoc

 

[jye4ever]

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Some of the greatest works of literature in history have religious/spiritual themes and/or symbolism, and readers throughout the centuries have been mature enough to read and consider them regardless of their own personal creeds, convictions or lack thereof.

I think there is a certain amount of that stuff inherent in the Superman myth--it didn't bother me in Superman Returns and it won't bother me in Man of Steel, if it's there. I don't think this is a case of somebody reading themes into the story that haven't been placed there by the filmmakers. If they want to make Superman a savior/Christ figure, it won't be the first time or the last. I don't mind, just as long as he also takes a minute here and there to fly around shooting laser beams out of his eyes.

Fine by me, but more lasers than gospel, please.

 

[tomandshell]

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I'll be done watching it by this time tomorrow.

 

[tomandshell]

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Fine by me, but more lasers than gospel, please.

I think the less literal and heavy-handed, the better.

And I agree that there should be lots of lasers. And flying. And x-ray vision. Then they can add in a little, "Save me, Superman!"

 

[jye4ever]

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Seriously, word is that action is lots better than Avengers.

 

[Matt S]

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What the hell happened to this thread?