Mark Miller joins Fox as creative consultant for Fox's Marvel shared Universe

[RIDDICK]

It goes (as of now)

X-Men First Class
X-Men
X2
X3

Origins doesn't count apparently

X3 too. It's official

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

^ i'm not actually sure on X3

It could do with being scrapped considering it killed off too many good characters.

 

[Kamandi]

Singer ignored Superman III and IV. There's no reason he can't retcon away X3.

 

[nexus]

Agreed, the Singerverse should be retired and Vaugn should be free to craft his version of X-Men.

What do you mean by kinda-sorta-powers?

The worst for me was Storm's floating instead of flying. Actually other than Angel in X3 there weren't any flying characters. Some of the executions were very good (Mystique, Nightcrawler) some were passable (Iceman, Colossus) but others were just terrible (Juggernaut). Sabretooth was just a tall long-haired thug in X1 although they did get him closer in Wolverine, but still not the bloodthirsty homicidal Creed from the comics. I think a powerful team line-up, more comic-accurate costumes that are still grounded in reality (a la Thor, Iron Man) get things more into character, and really amping up some of the powers like adding more flying and energy characters would make a big difference. So the question is has the franchise painted itself into such a corner that you can't have Scott Summers Cyclops unless he's the son, nephew or much younger brother of Alex Summer's Havok; or you can't have Warren Worthington Angel, because Angel is a dragonfly winged bad girl that spits acid or fire or whatever it was.

 

[thenammagazine]

People probably thought the same about Flash Gordon, no other company can do it better, then came along a little film called Star Wars

MS may be the first to do it, but time will tell if they're the best to do it.

While MCU has more comic accurate costumes it's bits and bobs from 616 and Ultimates spliced together. Storywise, both Fox and Sony have delivered comic based stories just as well as MS have. And the FF costumes were pretty damn comic accurate as was the story in the first, casting and Doom's character were the problem

There was great comic book movies before Marvel Studios and after Marvel Studios the idea that they're is the best there is and ever will be is bullcrap, they could **** up FF just as much as Fox could.

Let's roll with your logic. Your comparison is flawed, but easily enough corrected. Along came a little film called Star Wars that proved to be a phenom. Then everybody and their grandmother tried to capitalize on it with horrid results, upto and including James Bond. Nobody's saying they're the best that ever will be, but for the foreseeable decade, Fox and WarnerBros will fail massively in their lame attempts to "Drive Thru" their versions of "Avengers."

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

There can be Angel again, she was Angel Salvadore, that was her name not her X-Name

And Angel is alive and kicking

 

[RyanSD]

Let's roll with your logic. Your comparison is flawed, but easily enough corrected. Along came a little film called Star Wars that proved to be a phenom. Then everybody and their grandmother tried to capitalize on it with horrid results, upto and including James Bond. Nobody's saying they're the best that ever will be, but for the foreseeable decade, Fox and WarnerBros will fail massively in their lame attempts to "Drive Thru" their versions of "Avengers."

C'mon Nam, where would the world be today without the glorious celebration of awesomeness that is Moonraker!

Its not just about using a comic story as a basic plot for your movie, or making the costumes 'comic accurate'. It goes beyond that. The folks at MS get this, and thus, have truly made the best comic book movies.

MS used combined 616 and Ultimate stories and versions of characters to give us the best cinematic comic book characters that truly represented the source material. So far, the X-Men and FF films have failed to do that. Hell, you have X-Men movies where Cyclops is almost a secondary character at best, and not even in the third film. He's the damn leader of the team!

The X-Men films have become a convoluted mess of timelines and characters. I mostly blame Singer.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Singer ignored Superman III and IV. There's no reason he can't retcon away X3.

Good point, lets hope X3 doesn't count.

 

[Ramatuelle]

Since every other studio that has superhero rights is jumping on the MCU bandwagon, I expect a lot more of this kind of crap to follow suit. The issue is that MS built up their world over 5 years, and all the studios want to go from point A to point F as quickly as possible.

After 5 films, they still haven't gotten an X-Men film that is based on the comics the way the MS films have been, and the less said about the FF movies the better.

Fox is going to **** this up.
WB is going to **** this up.

Any other studio who tries to replicate the MS formula will **** it up too.

....Aaaaaaaaaaand this, pretty much. I find all the FF movies literally unwatchable, they are so bad. I tremble to think what is coming down the pike.

As for Mark Millar, I have no trust in him ever since the utter fiasco that was the screen version of "Wanted." He actually went along with that; it was like watching Michaelangelo agree to help deface the Sistine Chapel.

[For those who are about to type "butbutbut, WAnted was great!" please get back to me after you read the graphic novel; I haven't seen a fantastic intellectual property raped quite that badly in.... I don't know when, but its been literally years.]

 

[Buttmunch]

I originally read this thread title as Fox was merging its Marvel films with Marvel Studio's That would have been great news if that had happend! This is just meh. FF and X-men really never mixed around. They have their own teams. It only would have been cool if it brought the Avengers in because there could be epicness there if they had a BIG universe of characters to play with.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

X-Men already has a big universe of characters all by themselves, and when they use them people complain that they aren't the A-Team

 

[RyanSD]

X-Men already has a big universe of characters all by themselves, and when they use them people complain that they aren't the A-Team

Maybe if they had gotten their A-team right in the first place, people would be more accepting of them branching off to the C and D listers.

 

[thenammagazine]

X-Men already has a big universe of characters all by themselves, and when they use them people complain that they aren't the A-Team

So then if X-Men is already big enough, why the **** do they need to throw The Fantastic Fail into the mix?

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Well i think this Mark Miller news is a good thing, he'll help co-ordinate things so the films mesh better together

 

[thenammagazine]

Well i think this Mark Miller news is a good thing, he'll help co-ordinate things so the films mesh better together

But that's just it. They don't need to. FF needs to establish themselves without the X-Men first, for anything to work like they want it to. I doubt that'll be the case and unless Wolverine's carving the hell out of Thingypoo's ugly mug, it's gonna be a bigger box office belly flop than Spirit of Vengeance.

 

[Khev]

They also showed Mystique as Rebecca though too. It was intentional.

Of course it was intentional. But my point still stands that if anyone at Fox grows a pair and decides to blaze a new trail of continuity much better than that presented in 10 year old X-films no one cares about that *technically* they haven't painted themselves in a corner with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Because if they want to all of a sudden consider X:FC to be a true reboot they can just pretend Jackman was a funny reference to his previous character and NOT actually Wolverine. He says two words and no one calls him by name. He could be anyone if they want to start over with the continuity.

 

[thenammagazine]

Of course it was intentional. But my point still stands that if anyone at Fox grows a pair and decides to blaze a new trail of continuity much better than that presented in 10 year old X-films no one cares about that *technically* they haven't painted themselves in a corner with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Because if they want to all of a sudden consider X:FC to be a true reboot they can just pretend Jackman was a funny reference to his previous character and NOT actually Wolverine. He says two words and no one calls him by name. He could be anyone if they want to start over with the continuity.

At this point, it'd be like replacing a healthy, alive Superman Reeve with an unknown. That's not growing a pair, that's cutting them off.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

**** FOX. They've screwed things up enough

 

[Khev]

At this point, it'd be like replacing a healthy, alive Superman Reeve with an unknown. That's not growing a pair, that's cutting them off.

By that logic Nolan and Bale should just keep making Batman movies forever then.

A rebooted X-franchise can endure without Jackman as Wolverine.

 

[Niltusk]

....Aaaaaaaaaaand this, pretty much. I find all the FF movies literally unwatchable, they are so bad. I tremble to think what is coming down the pike.

As for Mark Millar, I have no trust in him ever since the utter fiasco that was the screen version of "Wanted." He actually went along with that; it was like watching Michaelangelo agree to help deface the Sistine Chapel.

[For those who are about to type "butbutbut, WAnted was great!" please get back to me after you read the graphic novel; I haven't seen a fantastic intellectual property raped quite that badly in.... I don't know when, but its been literally years.]

Finally someone nailed it. I still think hes a creative genius though, but don't trust him around movie adaptations. Maybe he can sway my opinion.