Mark Miller joins Fox as creative consultant for Fox's Marvel shared Universe

[Niltusk]

By that logic Nolan and Bale should just keep making Batman movies forever then.

A rebooted X-franchise can endure without Jackman as Wolverine.

From a financial standpoint, thats a great bet for any studio.

As far as Wolverine goes, Jackman has a built in fanbase for the character.
You've got to remember Wolverine Origins had a great opening weekend, it was just immediately hamstrung by the director going full retard and ruining Deadpool, who should have been handled well enough to establish him as his own character, but noooo, they make him into a ****ty laser beam zombie; convoluting what could have been a nice storyline just to include some extra cameo appearance from comic characters and then they top it off by casting Taylor Kitsch as Gambit. You can't expect even Hugh Jackman to overcome the Taylor Kitsch effect; empirical data shows that Taylor Kitsch being in a movie guarantees box office disaster.

 

[Khev]

Sure Jackman as Wolverine is great and certainly the best right now to carry a solo film featuring the character. But X:FC gave us something special, did NOT feature Wolverine except for that five second cameo, and was very well received, proving that an X-movie universe can survive and even thrive without him.

 

[thenammagazine]

By that logic Nolan and Bale should just keep making Batman movies forever then.

A rebooted X-franchise can endure without Jackman as Wolverine.

Might as well just recast and reboot Indy, Han Solo too and reboot Star Wars. Agree or no, Jackman is as much Wolverine as Harrison is Indy (though Jackman has more movies to his credit). Same goes for Downey as Stark. These actors have defined the characters on the big screen.

 

[Khev]

Might as well just recast and reboot Indy, Han Solo too and reboot Star Wars. Agree or no, Jackman is as much Wolverine as Harrison is Indy (though Jackman has more movies to his credit). Same goes for Downey as Stark. These actors have defined the characters on the big screen.

In their respective universes. Unfortunately X-Men's universe pre-First Class isn't really worth preserving. They would do *much* better to ignore all previous entries and let the FC franchise continue without being hindered by Singer's outdated choices. Unfortunately that would mean finding a new Wolverine but as FC and Origins together have shown us: a better movie without Jackman is much MUCH better than a crappy movie or universe with him.

A good example of what I'm talking about is Nicholson's Joker. NO ONE could imagine a better or more iconic Joker after Jack until Ledger came along in a better cinematic universe.

 

[Ramatuelle]

Wait, its come to me now. The screen version of "Wanted" was so bad, it reminded me of the last time I saw a great story torn to pieces and hung out to dry.

When was that? We need look no further than the Raimi Spider-Man franchise, in which we saw hulking-yet-intelligent, uber-badass, physically intimidating Eddie Brock cast as ................................................ That 70's Guy.

GOD.

I remember being grateful that Raimi was going the way of all flesh, so we didn't have to watch Kim Kardashian cast as Carnage. 'Cause that would have been next.

I liked Raimi Spidey #1 and #2, mostly. But that Venom business was just jumping the shark... with the space shuttle.

Millar. I like Millar. I just don't trust him as far as I can throw him with screen adaptations - he's going to have to EARN my trust.

 

[thenammagazine]

In their respective universes. Unfortunately X-Men's universe pre-First Class isn't really worth preserving. They would do *much* better to ignore all previous entries and let the FC franchise continue without being hindered by Singer's outdated choices. Unfortunately that would mean finding a new Wolverine but as FC and Origins together have shown us: a better movie without Jackman is much MUCH better than a crappy movie or universe with him.

Couldn't disagree more. Stewart and Mckellen are perfectly cast. Matter of fact, much of the casting from those films was great! And with Last Stand removed from continuity, everything fits better.

 

[Khev]

Couldn't disagree more.

Well lucky you since Singer has Fox wrapped around his finger and they don't dare reboot a tired franchise.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Sure Jackman as Wolverine is great and certainly the best right now to carry a solo film featuring the character. But X:FC gave us something special, did NOT feature Wolverine except for that five second cameo, and was very well received, proving that an X-movie universe can survive and even thrive without him.

That's very true

 

[thenammagazine]

That's very true

Yet the theatre roared during the cameo.

 

[Kamandi]

Might as well just recast and reboot Indy, Han Solo too and reboot Star Wars. Agree or no, Jackman is as much Wolverine as Harrison is Indy (though Jackman has more movies to his credit). Same goes for Downey as Stark. These actors have defined the characters on the big screen.

Ceser Ramaro was the first actor to play The Joker and he defined the character. ~20 years later Jack Nicholson re-defined the character, and nearly 20 years after that Heath Ledger did the same. I think all three guys did a great job and I would hate to have missed out on any of them. (OK, Mark Hamill kicked ass too, before someone jumps my sh-t)

I wonder how many actors have played Hamlet, up to and including the re-interpretation we now watch on Sons of Anarchy. Hamlet is a classic, timeless character (and story) that deserves to outlive any one actor.

I feel the same way about characters like Captain Kirk or Han Solo. Those characters deserve to live on past their original actors. Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, Christopher Reeve... Superman is nearly 80 years old. Actors will be playing some version of the character 80 years from now.

RDJ will at some point in the next 5-10 years move on from playing Tony Stark. He was outstanding and will be missed when he leaves. But I still hope to see Marvel making decent films afterwards, and Iron Man is core to their universe.

 

[Snadinator]

From a financial standpoint, thats a great bet for any studio.

As far as Wolverine goes, Jackman has a built in fanbase for the character.
You've got to remember Wolverine Origins had a great opening weekend, it was just immediately hamstrung by the director going full retard and ruining Deadpool, who should have been handled well enough to establish him as his own character, but noooo, they make him into a ****ty laser beam zombie; convoluting what could have been a nice storyline just to include some extra cameo appearance from comic characters and then they top it off by casting Taylor Kitsch as Gambit. You can't expect even Hugh Jackman to overcome the Taylor Kitsch effect; empirical data shows that Taylor Kitsch being in a movie guarantees box office disaster.

There were a lot more fundamental issues with that film than the Deadpool and Gambit mess up.

 

[thenammagazine]

Ceser Ramaro was the first actor to play The Joker and he defined the character. ~20 years later Jack Nicholson re-defined the character, and nearly 20 years after that Heath Ledger did the same. I think all three guys did a great job and I would hate to have missed out on any of them. (OK, Mark Hamill kicked ass too, before someone jumps my sh-t)

I wonder how many actors have played Hamlet, up to and including the re-interpretation we now watch on Sons of Anarchy. Hamlet is a classic, timeless character (and story) that deserves to outlive any one actor.

I feel the same way about characters like Captain Kirk or Han Solo. Those characters deserve to live on past their original actors. Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, Christopher Reeve... Superman is nearly 80 years old. Actors will be playing some version of the character 80 years from now.

RDJ will at some point in the next 5-10 years move on from playing Tony Stark. He was outstanding and will be missed when he leaves. But I still hope to see Marvel making decent films afterwards, and Iron Man is core to their universe.

It would be an entire generation between Caesar Romero's Joker and Nicholson's. Same between Nicholson's and Ledger's. There's no gap here. The Batman reboot will be a good test to see how things go, but even then, there was some bit of finality in Bale's. Here, there would be nothing short of a halfassed Hollywood reboot.

 

[Khev]

Right, "X-Men: First Class" is a half-assed Hollywood reboot.

2005 had people wondering if a Batman reboot was "too soon" just 8 short years after B&R, hardly a "generation," but it proved that a good universe trumps a quick turnaround. What short memories some people have.

 

[Snadinator]

XFC wasn't really a reboot though, so much as a prequel.

 

[Khev]

XFC wasn't really a reboot though, so much as a prequel.

We know, our point is that is *should* be a reboot.

 

[Kamandi]

XFC wasn't really a reboot though, so much as a prequel.

A prequel, but if they start selectively reconing away Ratner's X3 and Hood's Wolverine we are crossing into reboot turf. Since the next film involves time travel there is the chance to do surgery to fix some 'future' film mistakes.


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[thenammagazine]

Right, "X-Men: First Class" is a half-assed Hollywood reboot.

2005 had people wondering if a Batman reboot was "too soon" just 8 short years after B&R, hardly a "generation," but it proved that a good universe trumps a quick turnaround. What short memories some people have.

I was referring to '89 and Returns. The rest don't really count. As far as X:FC, like it or not, it isn't a reboot. It was done recognizing X-Men and United as continuity. For all intents and purposes, it's... wait for your favorite word.... a prequel.

 

[Khev]

For all intents and purposes, it's... wait for your favorite word.... a prequel.

You really aren't keeping up with the conversation are you?

 

[Kamandi]

If the rumors about Days of Futures Past turn out to be true this is more like JJ's Star Trek - a prequel and a reboot. The destruction of the Kelvin begins a butterfly effect that either created an alternate universe or a butterfly effect. Ask Doc Brown which it was.

Maybe that's the idea for Days of Futures Past - giving the writers an option of keeping the good stuff from the older film series and an option to use Stewart and Marsden in X4.

 

[thenammagazine]

You really aren't keeping up with the conversation are you?

I'm just dismissing your failed Nova-logic.