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Instantly noticed that too, he's all mushy all of the sudden, it was way too hard for Karen to gain some sort of sympathy from him and here he stalks a support group?

Is this show worth it?

In my opinion, not at all, and Punisher was one of my fav characters growing up. Bernthal just seems miscast, and I don’t like how his family is apart of some military set up. I just prefer The Punisher when he’s taking down the mob.
 
In my opinion, not at all, and Punisher was one of my fav characters growing up. Bernthal just seems miscast, and I don’t like how his family is apart of some military set up. I just prefer The Punisher when he’s taking down the mob.
I liked Berthal a lot in Daredevil, made me load up in Punisher comics to read, even asked darthkostis for recommendations.

I don't mind the family thing, I love conspiracy plots and I knew that's exactly what Daredevil was going to set up.

But the change to the character from DD to this one, and the virtue signaling are annoying.
 
I liked Berthal a lot in Daredevil, made me load up in Punisher comics to read, even asked darthkostis for recommendations.

I don't mind the family thing, I love conspiracy plots and I knew that's exactly what Daredevil was going to set up.

But the change to the character from DD to this one, and the virtue signaling are annoying.

I liked him in Daredevil too, still always seemed a bit miscast as Punisher to me but I didn’t mind because I thought he worked as Punisher for that show, but now with all the focus on him in his show, everything that was cool about him in Daredevil seems to have worn off. He was a great antithesis to Daredevil, and he and Charlie Cox had great chemistry.

I don’t know, the show just doesn’t have any great characters, Bernthal seems too much like Shane in this, and he’s just far less cool and interesting like he was in Daredevil.

I’m telling you right now, change the name of the show and characters and I wouldn’t have a clue this was based on the comic book character.
 
I feel like there are so many angles you could approach The Punisher from and this one I’m kind of struggling with. Part of me thinks it’d be badass if they just had, like, Mel Gibson or something, and that’s how they circumvented the whole “mass murderer in the Marvel Universe thing;” because they kept the whole Vietnam angle, had him wipe out New York’s Organized Crime over three decades and just tossed his *** in Ryker’s. There’s something so unsettling to me about old Frank Castle, moreso, even that his younger counterpart, because with age comes wisdom and acceptance, and, for it to be thirty years after the death of his family and still be murdering the everloving **** out of people? That takes dedication and a particular breed of psychopathy.

Honestly, I have conflicting feelings about The Punisher, because I don’t know whether I like him better super emotional or not at all, and what I mean by that is in regards to his attachments; if this is a guy singularly driven by grief and by the loss of his family to the point where he would wage a war just to numb that pain and not have to accept that loss or if he was just a born psychopath who never really gave a **** about his family, who found his knack in ‘Nam and was able to slip free of the bonds of normalcy and set the world on fire after some dumb schmuck in Central Park decided to get rid of the baggage holding the monster at bay.
 
I liked him in Daredevil too, still always seemed a bit miscast as Punisher to me but I didn’t mind because I thought he worked as Punisher for that show, but now with all the focus on him in his show, everything that was cool about him in Daredevil seems to have worn off. He was a great antithesis to Daredevil, and he and Charlie Cox had great chemistry.

I don’t know, the show just doesn’t have any great characters, Bernthal seems too much like Shane in this, and he’s just far less cool and interesting like he was in Daredevil.

I’m telling you right now, change the name of the show and characters and I wouldn’t have a clue this was based on the comic book character.

Dang it.

I'm gonna soldier through a couple of episodes, if it doesn't grab me I'm gonna drop it.
 
I feel like there are so many angles you could approach The Punisher from and this one I’m kind of struggling with. Part of me thinks it’d be badass if they just had, like, Mel Gibson or something, and that’s how they circumvented the whole “mass murderer in the Marvel Universe thing;” because they kept the whole Vietnam angle, had him wipe out New York’s Organized Crime over three decades and just tossed his *** in Ryker’s. There’s something so unsettling to me about old Frank Castle, moreso, even that his younger counterpart, because with age comes wisdom and acceptance, and, for it to be thirty years after the death of his family and still be murdering the everloving **** out of people? That takes dedication and a particular breed of psychopathy.

Honestly, I have conflicting feelings about The Punisher, because I don’t know whether I like him better super emotional or not at all, and what I mean by that is in regards to his attachments; if this is a guy singularly driven by grief and by the loss of his family to the point where he would wage a war just to numb that pain and not have to accept that loss or if he was just a born psychopath who never really gave a **** about his family, who found his knack in ‘Nam and was able to slip free of the bonds of normalcy and set the world on fire after some dumb schmuck in Central Park decided to get rid of the baggage holding the monster at bay.

Like most comic book characters there’s a ton of different interpretation of these characters, I wouldn’t mind a more humanized Frank Castle except this more human Frank looks and sounds exactly like Shane. It’s hard for me to look over.

To me at least, Punisher should basically be Dirty Harry, he always cool and focuses on doing the dirty work cleaning up NYC from scum. It’s one of my main problems with them going the whole military conspiracy route because it basically ruins the whole purpose of him becoming Punisher in the first place. He takes out criminals in the comics because his family was killed by criminals. Being killed by military though, kind of just ruins his motivation of becoming a vigilante now.
 
Like most comic book characters there’s a ton of different interpretation of these characters, I wouldn’t mind a more humanized Frank Castle except this more human Frank looks and sounds exactly like Shane. It’s hard for me to look over.

To me at least, Punisher should basically be Dirty Harry, he always cool and focuses on doing the dirty work cleaning up NYC from scum. It’s one of my main problems with them going the whole military conspiracy route because it basically ruins the whole purpose of him becoming Punisher in the first place. He takes out criminals in the comics because his family was killed by criminals. Being killed by military though, kind of just ruins all of that now.

I find that it’s severely limiting, too, because the military are pretty revered in America, so, you can’t just have Frank coming up on some mini-van with a “we love our marine son” bumper sticker and blowing it up because he hates the military industrial complex for killing his family, whereas, when you make them hardened criminals and murderers, there’s no shortage of those around for him to go after once he makes his way through the initial rounds of those involved.
 
well this will have more seasons, they will probably leave that stuff for season 2 and 3
 
I find that it’s severely limiting, too, because the military are pretty revered in America, so, you can’t just have Frank coming up on some mini-van with a “we love our marine son” bumper sticker and blowing it up because he hates the military industrial complex for killing his family, whereas, when you make them hardened criminals and murderers, there’s no shortage of those around for him to go after once he makes his way through the initial rounds of those involved.

well this will have more seasons, they will probably leave that stuff for season 2 and 3

Oh they definitely will, but I’m saying it just wouldn’t really make much sense now. Just imagine if Bruce Wayne found out his parents weren’t murdered by a criminal but a another rich family or something. He probably wouldn’t have become Batman then. That’s basically what happened with Netflix Punisher.


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Well i’m about to start 10 and while I respect mini Bernthal’s acting chops he is way too talky and mushy mushy for my liking.

Something just feels off with all the patriotism, gun laws debate and military angle being used to create a moral gray area.

I mean his relationship with Micro was well written and fleshed out but even that got too mushy.

On top of Castle already being too emotionally talkative the show is also lacking in action.

This is suffering from the typical Netflix 13 curse which is way too much focus on side characters.

I’m waiting for Castle to just write an editorial in the newspaper now.

I agree with pturtle it could just be any guy named Frank Castle and not specifically The Punisher.

I don’t know maybe the last 4 episodes will have a great pay off lets see.
 
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I like the show but it could have ended at least a few episodes early. 13 was too much.
 
Just finished the show and loved it. Only plot that I was kinda huh on was the PTSD dude Luis? His story ran parallel to everything else for a while, but tied up nicely. I thought it had a good balance of action and more narrative character driven stuff.

My ranking is probably:
Daredevil season 2
Daredevil season 1
Punisher
Jessica Jones
Defenders
Luke Cage
Iron fist
 
Ok E10 was a solid homerun and 11 is starting the same way building up to what I hope is a kick *** Punisher doing his thing finale.

There’s a chance the Castle moral study will contrast nicely with the Punisher doing his thing finale, fingers crossed.
 
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I am thru episode 8

I enjoy the series much better than their last solo attempts. I don’t mind many of the gripes with the military approach and the humanizing Frank. Really enjoy Micro and Frank’s relationship.

Items of struggle is Berthnal brings a lot of Shane (TWD) in this character. I dunno that I agree about his acting chops when it’s difficult at times to separate the two. While it’s not bad from watchable stand point, I agree this could be anyone named Frank Castle. I don’t see “The Punisher” in the series yet.
 
I enjoyed this series but I did have a few issues with it. Frank didn't wear the skull enough for my liking and I can't ever see him not engaged in his war. Frank doesn't stop, doesn't rest, or do anything that doesn't further his war on crime in the comics. In the comics he lives to kill criminals. It's his sole purpose and mission in life after losing his family and he doesn't waver in his conviction. For me, that element is lost in this series. Frank would never give up his war or just try to live a normal life. It's not who he is.
 
Daredevil season 1 started with him in the black suit.
I think season 2 of punisher will be the proper punisher
 
Ok I just saw something Punisher did in E11 that made up for any and all mushy Castle complaints I was harboring.

Done deal this is the Punisher and a welcome return to form after the highly disappointing and underwhelming Defenders crapola.

Trying to watch E11 now while onduty just have to put it down everytime my superior sneaks back into our room. :gah:

Ok one dumb thing in E11:

The bad guys are not wearing nightvision goggles while assaulting that dark building. People hunting deer wear that but no not a highly trained and equipped military group going after The Punisher why would they do that lol.
 
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