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McCain on TV: Video: Just saw this on TV. MUST SEE!
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Re: Video: Just saw this on TV. MUST SEE!
I totally agree. 8 years ago I voted for him against Bush, but now he's just not the same guy! If he was he probably would've had my vote, though it would depend on his VP. I think the McCain of 8 years ago wouldn't have picked Palin.
I do respect him for what's in the video though. Believe me, these politicians come off as hating each other, but they don't. Kinda like lawyers during a court case.
I totally agree. 8 years ago I voted for him against Bush, but now he's just not the same guy! If he was he probably would've had my vote, though it would depend on his VP. I think the McCain of 8 years ago wouldn't have picked Palin.
I do respect him for what's in the video though. Believe me, these politicians come off as hating each other, but they don't. Kinda like lawyers during a court case.
LChinoz
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This video also makes the notion that McCain is erratic even more apparent.
I totally agree. It's really apparent with how many Obama supporters there are.
The anger and in some instances complete weirdness erupting at McCain's rallies hasn't just turned off independents. It's upsetting old-line, Rockefeller Republicans who have always been underwhelmed by the neo-cons and are even less impressed with McCain and especially Palin.
To really be the McCain of old, he'd have to start saying things like, "My opponent is a Christian, and even if he were a Muslim, that wouldn't make him the enemy. Do you think of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Muhammad Ali as your enemies? Would you say these things in their presence? Our nation was founded upon freedom of worship. As for Senator Obama's middle name, my own name contains that of the first person in the Bible to spill innocent blood -- need I be worried about what people might draw from my name?"
When the election is over and he's still a Senator, McCain should think about leading the effort to bring Americans up out of the hatred that's been blinding us for too long. We still have a lot of healing to do, both from the wound of 9/11 and from our long, long history of blaming the "other." Because of what McCain has wandered into and where he's found himself, he's in an unusual position to do something. He'd redeem himself in the process.
To really be the McCain of old, he'd have to start saying things like, "My opponent is a Christian, and even if he were a Muslim, that wouldn't make him the enemy. Do you think of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Muhammad Ali as your enemies? Would you say these things in their presence? Our nation was founded upon freedom of worship. As for Senator Obama's middle name, my own name contains that of the first person in the Bible to spill innocent blood -- need I be worried about what people might draw from my name?"
When the election is over and he's still a Senator, McCain should think about leading the effort to bring Americans up out of the hatred that's been blinding us for too long. We still have a lot of healing to do, both from the wound of 9/11 and from our long, long history of blaming the "other." Because of what McCain has wandered into and where he's found himself, he's in an unusual position to do something. He'd redeem himself in the process.
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I agree - otherwise he would have done this the first time these comments came out. Ditto for Sarah Palin. It's clear that appealing to the ugliest traditions of the right wing have backfired beyond the base and now McCain is on damage control.
One also wonders if this was spurred by the Secret Service...
Only McCain can calm his angry, irrational mob. He should actually put country first before his desire to be president instead of fueling hate which further tears this country apart. Encouraging hate and fear mongering is unpatriotic and unamerican.
I think Republican Frank Schaeffer summed it up best in the Baltimore Sun:
John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.
At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, "Kill him!" At one of your rallies, someone called out, "Terrorist!" Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee - an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.
Shame!
John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.
You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.
John McCain, you're walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows.
John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.
Change the atmosphere of your campaign. Talk about the issues at hand. Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people - forever.
We will hold you responsible.
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If McCain wants any hope of winning he has to remain in the gutter. That's tragic and I'll respect him more if he takes the high road and loses.
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Me too. I had enough of this attacking bull^^^^. From the both of them.
customizerwannabe
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He'd redeem himself in the process.
Redeem himself.... McCain...not Obama...Wow...that's pretty funny. We'll see how everyone feels about the "messiah" in 4 years.
RoboDad
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There. I fixed it for you.
Why is that funny? It's pretty obvious that McCain has sullied himself with the promotion of misinformation, fear and hate. As an American, I'm deeply ashamed of his campaign. Don't like Obama's stance on the issues, fine, but that doesn't have anything to do with the personal, ugly, hate-filled attack campaign the republicans have run yet again this year. It is our responsibility to denounce hate even if it comes from the party to which we ascribe, which is why I applaud conservatives like Frank Schaeffer.
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Excuse me, but are you attempting to provoke me? You are taking my verb out of context...I was referring specifically to his having had this atmosphere of open hatred pop up at his rallies in support of his candidacy -- a development I truly don't think he foresaw getting this far out of hand. And a development that will be an awful legacy for him unless he can make a positive out of it.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted here in your personal thread?
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I was following you pretty well until you tossed this bit in. There is a (subtle) implication in your tone that the Democrats are never guilty of such tactics. We all need to be willing to acknowledge that both parties have been doing this for decades, and it needs to stop. FROM BOTH SIDES.
Is McCain more guilty of it this time? Absolutely. And it will cost him the election. But Obama is no saint. I haven't heard him denounce the tactics employed by the "anchors" on MSNBC. And, previous Democrat AND Republican campaigns have been just as dirty as anything McCain has done this time.
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Obama is just as guilty. But I see more hatefilled comments from the Rep side...sorry guys. This is just what I see everyday. Im sure if I lived in a blue state, things would be different. Or not...who knows.
