MCU - Phase Four

[a-dev]

Oh yes that’s right I forgot that the applied qualitative global physics research and development on theoretical quantum exploratory of complex structural tenet displacement algorithms had posted yours and ajp version of the Terminator franchise you were hoping to see my bad lol

You must accept the 3 timeline theory if you're to come with me (if you want to live) to Alderaan.

 

[Khev]

Three timelines yes but not parallel, the second timeline replaced the first and the third replaced the second.

 

[Khev]

You must accept the 3 timeline theory if you're to come with me (if you want to live) to Alderaan.

I'm not going with you to Alderaan, I have work to do, I'm late and in for it as it is. Besides I didn't ask for this honor and don't want it!

 

[a-dev]

Three timelines yes but not parallel, the second timeline replaced the first and the third replaced the second.

Don't make me call ajp up in here.....

I'm not going with you to Alderaan, I have work to do, I'm late and in for it as it is. Besides I didn't ask for this honor and don't want it!

I need your help Khev, she needs your help. I'm getting too old - but not obsolete - for this sort of thing.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

A superhero show tho. A damn good one. The hero movie boom that started in the early 2000s will never die it seems. Pop culture is at an all time high. But that begs the question. Will we ever make room for anything new and something that isn't from decades ago? Will nostalgia always be the selling point? I think so.

The only good **** is from decades ago...99% of the new stuff is trash

 

[Sassafras]

Wow! Kevin Feige has officially become woke.

https://www.ign.com/articles/doctor...-wandavision-kevin-feige-benedict-cumberbatch

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige revealed to Rolling Stone that there were originally plans for Benedict Cumberbatch's Doctor Strange to make an appearance in the season finale, but decided that writing the character out would better serve the show.
"Some people might say, ?Oh, it would?ve been so cool to see Doctor Strange,'" Feige said. ?But it would have taken away from Wanda, which is what we didn?t want to do. We didn?t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie ? here?s the white guy, ?Let me show you how power works.'"

IMO Feige went woke with Black Panther, and he's just gotten worse in public since. Whether he in any way believes the stuff he spews out, dunno. No-one stays in his position without being aware of public opinion and juggling stockholder and funding demands at the same time.

Although, IMO while he's often full of bs, gotta give the guy credit for what he's done. Always thought it was DC's problem, they didn't have a person like Feige in charge.

As far as commodotizing - he didn't have a problem shoehorning and piggybacking Captain Marvel to Infinity War; making sure that people would go to CM just for any kind of connection to an upcoming incredibly anticipated film. IMO it's more bs; making sure people turn out for DS, because they've been waiting so long to see Wanda and DS interact.

So Feige may be full of it, but I'll be there for DS anyway.

 

[xipotec]

That's why I completely and utterly lost all interest in these movies after the first Iron Man. They all look and sound exactly the same, have the same story beats, the same color grading, the same fight choreography. The same weird basketball texture rubber outfits in every movie. They're so bland. They all just blur into another. It's like watching a marathon of "Murder She Wrote." Just rote formulaic repetition. There's no style or flair to any of it.

When you watch a Tarantino movie, you KNOW it's a Tarantino movie. Same with Scorsese. And Michael Mann. And even the much-despised Zak Snyder, at least his movies look uniquely HIS.

Of course I like Iron Man and Captain America and Wolverine....I devoured the comics for decades. I'd probably have literally shat myself if I saw a live action Cable and Deadpool in 1991. By the time it came out I was around 40, which was far too late for me to care. If I wanted a hit of nostalgia, I'd just go back and look at the Rob Liefeld drawings that made me love those characters in the first place.

It was really cool seeing a lot of these characters in live action, but it wore off pretty quick as the movies devolved into nothing but repetitive glossy CGI fights against CGI robots and aliens and really fake looking action sequences that aren't even fun cause there's not even a shred of believability to them. (Like when Neo fought the hundreds of Smiths in the Matrix 2 and it just looked like rubber puppets...that's all I see in the Marvel movies too.)

At least the first two dozen movies had characters most everyone loves, like Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Thor, Steve Rogers. These new movies are scraping the bottom of the barrel trash characters that have never been popular, have never been able to sustain any kind of real fanbase, and are just the moldy leftovers now that they've burned through all their A through C list characters.

I realize my grumpy old man arguments are just me pissing in the wind though and nothing will ever change. People LIKE crap. People LIKE predictability. People DON'T like being challenged.


I will say this though. My favorite scene of the entire Infinity Saga or whatever it's called was certainly not in Endgame or any of those giant "epic" battles. My favorite scene is in Age of Ultron where the Avengers are all kicking back and hanging out at a party, drinking and having fun. That scene was so much fun for me. That was the only scene where these characters truly felt like human beings and not cartoons. I'd watch an entire movie of Stark and Thor doing shots and arguing about whose girlfriend is hotter.

I do agree with a lot of your points.

I just think the golden age of thought provoking cinema is gone.

So popcorn films are the best we can hope for.


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[Otomofan]

Well, thankfully, there's no shortage of old movies to rewatch and just marvel at how good they are.

I rewatched Heat the other day and was just absolutely blown away by how good it still is.

Then Heat made me wanna rewatch The Insider....and it's not as good as Heat but it's a slow burn.

Look at this scene in The Insider....it's the highlight of the movie, when Pacino calls Crowe from the beach to apologize to him. The color grading and lighting and cinematography of this shot.....ugh. It's so gorgeous it hurts. No CGI. That's real water and real clouds shot on grainy film, not a digital camera.



Then seeing Russel Crowe made me wanna rewatch L.A. Confidential. Now there's a perfect movie if one ever existed. It's absolutely fantastic. What a cast.

Don't click the next part if you've never seen it. If you've never seen it, GO WATCH IT!

Spoiler

Even though he's an "unperson" now I still think Kevin Spacey is one of the best actors of our lifetime. His death scene is probably the best acted death I've ever seen. The director himself said it was incredible to witness, saying you could just see the actual light going out of his eyes. And it's true. Amazing, amazing acting.

Anyway.....I feel bad. I'm 43 but I feel like I may as well be 87 the way I'm going on and on about the "good old days" and "they don't make em like they used to."

I really am glad for people that can enjoy new movies but I'm lucky if I see one or two new movies a year that can even hold my interest. I don't like "boring" movies but I don't mind a long or even slow paced movie if the director manages to captivate me. Hollywood movies today are intentionally dumbed down and sped up for dumber audiences. I'm sorry to put it so bluntly, but that's the nicest way I can say it. I don't mean you guys. I mean those highly coveted international markets where the moviegoers don't have patience for breathtaking shots of the cloudy skies like in "Brokeback Mountain"....they just want **** to blow up.

 

[Sassafras]

Well, thankfully, there's no shortage of old movies to rewatch and just marvel at how good they are.

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Anyway.....I feel bad. I'm 43 but I feel like I may as well be 87 the way I'm going on and on about the "good old days" and "they don't make em like they used to."

I really am glad for people that can enjoy new movies but I'm lucky if I see one or two new movies a year that can even hold my interest. I don't like "boring" movies but I don't mind a long or even slow paced movie if the director manages to captivate me. Hollywood movies today are intentionally dumbed down and sped up for dumber audiences. I'm sorry to put it so bluntly, but that's the nicest way I can say it. I don't mean you guys. I mean those highly coveted international markets where the moviegoers don't have patience for breathtaking shots of the cloudy skies like in "Brokeback Mountain"....they just want **** to blow up.

Well, they don't.

And part of that was the financial crash; I remember articles bemoaning banks being a lot more wary of funding anything but "sure things" e.g. sequels and blockbusters; and weird little independent films that become surprise hits weren't gonna get made.

Then there's the home tech explosion. Then there's hiring lower paid, newer, less experienced writers which may or may not be successful. Stuff that was shot on location is now CGI which may or may not be successful, but there's whole articles about the "good enough" job in doing CGI. And there isn't REALLY a huge pool of top notch directors to draw on, and they are pretty booked.

I remember Spielberg had said a film like Lincoln wouldn't get made today, referring to the banks getting more cautious.

A lot of the more offbeat stuff will show up on streaming, now.

 

[ZE_501]

[...] So Feige may be full of it, but I'll be there for DS anyway.

He's absolutely full of it. That's a big part of is job. Same with Favreau. I don't believe 75% of what comes outta their mouths and in the long run I guess it doesn't matter, either the product entertains me, or it does not.

 

[Otomofan]

A lot of the more offbeat stuff will show up on streaming, now.

True...we could get cheap, fun comedies like "40 Year Old Virgin" or "The Hangover" made for any of the streaming services.....IFFF.....everything hadn't gotten so damn politically correct and sensitive.

When was the last time you saw a really funny, laugh out loud movie that was NEW? Movies that used to be crowd pleasers like "Something About Mary" or "Wedding Crashers" couldn't even get made for Netflix these days. Even that Borat sequal was completely sanitized compared to the first one.

Comedy requires risk, possibly more than the other genres, cause you have to be willing to risk offending the audience, and nobody is willing to make anyone even remotely uncomfortable anymore. So you get schlock like whatever Melissa McCarthy does where the "joke" is that she's fat and awkward. Ha. ha. ha. Will we ever see anything as outrageous as "Tropic Thunder" again? Doubt it. Not from a mainstream studio that is.

At least Netflix has the balls to air Dave Chappelle's specials uncensored. They're not movies but they're the most genuinely funny material I've seen in years.

(Actually.....Louis CK's comeback special that he sold directly off his website last year was so funny I was actually crying. But he'll never work in the mainstream again.)

So once again, old fart that I am...when I really need to laugh I turn to classics that still hold up and will always hold up. "Airplane." "Animal House." "Caddyshack." Hell, I still like "Billy Madison" and "Happy Gilmore!"

 

[Sassafras]

He's absolutely full of it. That's a big part of is job. Same with Favreau. I don't believe 75% of what comes outta their mouths and in the long run I guess it doesn't matter, either the product entertains me, or it does not.

I did at first, more or less, with Favreau. 'Coz the man actually took on his *cheap* boss at the time, wrested control of the MCU, and won. He's willing to go out in front at cons.

Without Feige my fav comic movies (TWS and CW) wouldn't have gotten made; the Russos had to make their idea pitch same as everyone else. Feige was willing to chance directors and ideas.

But the gushing overload around Black Panther and CM - when with CM, for me there were writing and some other issues; also even with IW felt like there were some budget or time cutbacks - I dunno, it was around then to me, Feige started laying it on too thick. In public, anyway.

But like u say; the end product either works, or it doesn't, for a customer. U might BS folks with a trailer or hype (for me some of the MCU stuff has) but now I know. But to be more positive; I wasn't expecting anything like I got with Ragnarok, and luved it. So ya never know. Was pretty impressed with the work done era to era in WandaVision too; some of the retro stuff cracked me up, in a good way. Plus I always like Bettany's Vision and Olsen's SW.

Comedy requires risk, possibly more than the other genres, cause you have to be willing to risk offending the audience, and nobody is willing to make anyone even remotely uncomfortable anymore. So you get schlock like whatever Melissa McCarthy does where the "joke" is that she's fat and awkward. Ha. ha. ha. Will we ever see anything as outrageous as "Tropic Thunder" again? Doubt it. Not from a mainstream studio that is.

At least Netflix has the balls to air Dave Chappelle's specials uncensored. They're not movies but they're the most genuinely funny material I've seen in years.

(Actually.....Louis CK's comeback special that he sold directly off his website last year was so funny I was actually crying. But he'll never work in the mainstream again.)

So once again, old fart that I am...when I really need to laugh I turn to classics that still hold up and will always hold up. "Airplane." "Animal House." "Caddyshack." Hell, I still like "Billy Madison" and "Happy Gilmore!"

The stuff you mention like Tropic Thunder etc.; Caddyshack - hilarious. Makes me wanna rewatch. IMO the world's worse off when u hafta prance around on eggshells making a film.

 

[Wor-Gar]

True...we could get cheap, fun comedies like "40 Year Old Virgin" or "The Hangover" made for any of the streaming services.....IFFF.....everything hadn't gotten so damn politically correct and sensitive.

When was the last time you saw a really funny, laugh out loud movie that was NEW? Movies that used to be crowd pleasers like "Something About Mary" or "Wedding Crashers" couldn't even get made for Netflix these days. Even that Borat sequal was completely sanitized compared to the first one.

Comedy requires risk, possibly more than the other genres, cause you have to be willing to risk offending the audience, and nobody is willing to make anyone even remotely uncomfortable anymore. So you get schlock like whatever Melissa McCarthy does where the "joke" is that she's fat and awkward. Ha. ha. ha. Will we ever see anything as outrageous as "Tropic Thunder" again? Doubt it. Not from a mainstream studio that is.

At least Netflix has the balls to air Dave Chappelle's specials uncensored. They're not movies but they're the most genuinely funny material I've seen in years.

(Actually.....Louis CK's comeback special that he sold directly off his website last year was so funny I was actually crying. But he'll never work in the mainstream again.)

So once again, old fart that I am...when I really need to laugh I turn to classics that still hold up and will always hold up. "Airplane." "Animal House." "Caddyshack." Hell, I still like "Billy Madison" and "Happy Gilmore!"

I do think comedy is due for a big comeback. Especially if this is going to be another roaring 20's.

Thankfully, the pendulum swings back, always.

I've always felt the Simpsons had it right: offend everyone, equally. I hope that sensibility can return in a year or two.


Unfortunately, while we're waiting, looks like musicals/dance movies will be making a comeback attempt -- Spielberg's West Side Story and a number of other high profile musicals.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Unfortunately, while we're waiting, looks like musicals/dance movies will be making a comeback attempt -- Spielberg's West Side Story and a number of other high profile musicals.

As a Puerto Rican, I hope West Side Story bombs.

 

[jye4ever]

You prefer East Side Stories

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[Wor-Gar]

I thought they had comics to go by...? MF

 

[Spartan Rex]

“MF” for the lay folk means of course “My Friend.” A common friendly greeting used by people on the internetz.

 

[matticus]

I am going to use mf all the time now. Everyone will know what I mean...mf

 

[punisher1974]

Hmm Thor Love and ******* MF. Guardians of the Galaxy MF. It works. You guys all MF on this discussion board.