Media Metal Gear Solid Discussion Thread (NO FIGURES /CUSTOMS JUST GAMES) SPOILERS

[Solidus]

Exactly, I would of preferred the shocking and riveting ending to the safe plot hole ending with Big Boss popping up.

"Here's to you" in MGS 4 would have made a lot more sense, too - since Snake and Otacon would have went out like Sacco and Vanzetti.

But, I would have much preferred if Snake took his own life, by pulling the trigger. David Hayter was right. Snake should have had the courage to take his own life and not chicken out at the end - I though that was very unrealistic, and insulting to the character.

 

[Snake Plissken]

"Here's to you" in MGS 4 would have made a lot more sense, too - since Snake and Otacon would have went out like Sacco and Vanzetti.

But, I would have much preferred if Snake took his own life, by pulling the trigger. David Hayter was right. Snake should have had the courage to take his own life and not chicken out at the end - I though that was very unrealistic, and insulting to the character.

Very insulting. After he pulled the trigger I was stunned, but then I'm like damn he went out like a man... but no. Moments later he's sweating and Jacky boy shows up like the Architect of the Matrix explaining everything.

 

[pturtle]

"Here's to you" was actually chosen for that specific ending, Kojima still decided to use it after his original ending was vetoed.


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[krec9]

My favorite MGS moment, and the one that impacted me more than any other game I played for that time, was Gray Fox's battle and death against REX. He also left Snake, with what I deem, as the greatest single quote in MGS history:
"Snake. We're not tools of the government, or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing - the only thing I was good at. But, at least I always fought for what I believed in."

As for the order of my favorite games:

1. MGS 1
2. MGS 3
3. MGS 2
4. MG Rising
5. MGS 4
6. MG 2
7. MG 1
8. MGS PO
9. MGS PW

MGS 3 did a fantastic origin story with Big Boss, and up until several years ago, I would have considered it my favorite game of the series. But, there's just too much to love about MGS 1; from it's originality, to the closed nature of its storyline - in that, Kojima could have started and ended the series with just MGS 1 alone.



Where's MGS 2?

lol most people know my feelings on this game it don't exist to me .

 

[Snake Plissken]

Seems even more insulting that Here's to You was in that one trailer for GZ when it's a song for Snake. Way to Fall is Big Boss's song.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

The fact that Snake didn't want to kill himself was perfect for me. It means that the cool guy he was in MGS1/2 is still there somewhere.. he still wants to live. Anyway I guess its a better ending for such a depressing game.

My following list doesn't include PO though, I never got around to finishing PO since I was mostly borrowing it from a friend so I'm refraining from including it. GZ is also exempted since I consider as part of MGSV which isn't done yet. That said, feel I should contribute with my own list. Here's mine based on my critical views towards the games:

1- MGS3
2- MGS2
3- MGS1
4- MGS4
5- MGSPW

That isn't to say that I hate MGS4, since a lot of the characters and developments there happen to be my most favorite in the series (Ocelot most especially giving me some of my most favorite MGS moments). But I just have way too many issues with its story and overall structure of game design for it to reach any higher for me. PW is great though unlike MGS4, it's more that I think it doesn't offer much else beyond being a solid MGS game; which is to say it's a good game as it is, just not all-around amazing or ground-breaking for me. But that's the thing, being a good game that's "as it is" is sometimes not enough, and with MGS4 actually having some better moments, MGS4 gets the better edge even with all my issues with it.

That said, MGS3 is still by far my most favorite in terms story, cinematography, gameplay, and the amount of enjoyment I've had with spending time digging at every little easter egg or potential interactions with the codec. Main central cast is great too, specifically Big Boss, The Boss, Eva, Ocelot and Volgin. For me it's like MGS perfected at its core: story/characters, game design and overall choice of setting/atmospher. MGS3's execution is how I feel MGS is most suited for in terms of the decisions made in its conception and execution, and I think it will be very hard for any other games to beat its place for me even in the future. My liking for MGS2 over MGS1 is more of a conceptual one in that I really enjoyed how it deconstructs MGS1 and the notion of nostalgia. It was a good slap in the face and one that I didn't feel bothered by at all. Also I really loved how ambitious the whole narrative and concepts that were being tackled.

I think my favourite MGS moment, or the most important MGS moment for me was the fight with The Boss. I actually had to pause the game after her speech and leave the room for a moment. It was too much for me

 

[Dylan]

I thought his weapon jammed at the end of MGS4?

 

[Snake Plissken]

You hear the gunshot as it goes to black for the first set of credits. I think even the slide on the operator is back when it goes to the next cutscene.

 

[Dylan]

Yeah still could have been a miss fire. At least that's the way I interpreted it.

 

[Solidus]

lol most people know my feelings on this game it don't exist to me .

It has a better storyline than Peace Walker!

 

[Snake Plissken]

It has a better storyline than Peace Walker!

By far, and made Snake into an even bigger legend

 

[Baneofdemon22]

If I could rep you again I would, especially on how feel about nostalgia

Thanks! I have to go look up what that is. I'm glad to hear that, or I guess read! It bums me out that people who don't play video games will miss out on the Metal Gear Solid story, because I know tons of non-gamers would love it. If it wasn't for Metal Gear Solid, I would not cared about games! I know people make fun of it being convoluted, but I think it's a vocal minority who hate on that. I absolutely love how it is, which is why it would be very odd for a movie to be made of the series, like people want. If it got more people into the source material- Awesome!

 

[Baneofdemon22]

It's just that MGS4 is too convoluted, and downright depressing to play for me because of Snake.

I wasn't depressed because of Snake, but of course I felt for him. How could you not? I think the peak of it was when he screamed, "Liquiiiiiiiiiiiiddd," because it was a culmination of everything he went through. If if was anyone else, I definitely would have, but Solid Snake handled his situation like a champ! That guy was going through so much garbage and still acted heroic and maintained a sense of humor. I don't know how the heck he could stand to be in the same room as Naomi when he was having his body examined. It was pretty inspiring for me! I thought it was really cool in MGS4, we got to see Snake's influence on Raiden, turning him into a legendary character, and we got to see Raiden from his perspective, the opposite of MGS2. It was cool working alongside the guy, he helped bring to such a heroic status. Although I have to ignore all the super SUPER strength/lightning stuff. That and stuff in his personal life, but whatever! I rather focus on being positive!

 

[krec9]

It has a better storyline than Peace Walker!

Both games are bad but i extremely hate MGS2 .

 

[Solidus]

Both games are bad but i extremely hate MGS2 .

Raiden really made me hate MGS 2 initially. It's going to be funny if Kojima pulls the same thing with MGS V and we find out that someone else was in disguise as Big Boss .

 

[GasparZizou]

Unless it's Frank, people are going to love that.

 

[Solidus]

Not me.

 

[GasparZizou]

Well, it'd be better than Raiden.

 

[Dylan]

Yeah I really dont want that either.

 

[pturtle]

Yea, just being fooled a whole game thinking we’re playing as Big Boss is better than playing as Raiden, the main character will still be a bad ass if he does a good job at emulating Big Boss.