Molecule8 John Lennon UPDATE 5/10/18 - SCAM COMPANY!

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Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Here's the thing - no one's holding a gun to your head to pre-order. In the hobby or not, people have the means to do research online or decide to wait or not buy. If I see one of those "buy now, limited time/edition, etc." for a product I'm interested in, before plunking down $100, $50, even $20 dollars - I look into the company and their reputation. If I'm at all in doubt but really want that product I buy it with a card that guarantees purchases if they drop the ball or skip town. But I also buy with the idea that that could happen.

All that said, everything I said in the "math" post stands; this would be a money-losing "scam". If you're trying to pull that off - you hide in the shadows and don't spend any money - you don't build a site and open an IG, FB, Twitter account and post your names all over it. Take the money and run, that's that game.

Maybe they're not great at what they're doing. MAYBE they're not great at what they're doing YET. It's a first product to market for them. I work with startups - a lot of times they have great ideas and intentions but all the unknowns and unforeseens cause them trouble...initially. At that point, if they get through it, they either learn from it or repeat mistakes and fail again.

As I said before - the jury's out on whether things will go smoother for them in the future. But as far as this figure goes, I don't know what they'll release, but they will release it. So enough with the warnings and the pre-order shaming, please.

If they keep doing it we'll keep calling them out on it.
 
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If they keep doing it we'll keep calling them out on it.

Yep...each poster can decide for themselves when they have posted "enough" and each reader of posts can decide when they have read enough right? Plenty of other ways for some people to spend an evening other than reading the conflicting opinions of strangers that for some reason absolutely infuriates them...
 
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If they keep doing it we'll keep calling them out on it.

Are you buying this figure? Are you the 1/6th Interpol? Show me on the John Lennon doll where the bad men hurt you. Seriously how much time does someone have to have on thier hands to post this much on a thread for a figure they don't want or believe will even exist?

There are a few threads on the customs board where people have actually been scammed/ripped off - like, it's over Johnny. I've read a couple of them but I don't spend time everyday posting on them about what a bastard the organizer is when I don't even have a horse in the race!
 
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Yep...each poster can decide for themselves when they have posted "enough" and each reader of posts can decide when they have read enough right? Plenty of other ways for some people to spend an evening other than reading the conflicting opinions of strangers that for some reason absolutely infuriates them...

Yeah, except some of us are buying this figure and would like to talk about it without some **** hole telling us we're idiots and everything's Photoshoped and you're stupid if you don't get a refund, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

You said your peace - we all get it - we're all suckers. Congratulations on your insight. Now take your 1/6th ball and go home.


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Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Yeah, except some of us are buying this figure and would like to talk about it without some **** hole telling us we're idiots and everything's Photoshoped and you're stupid if you don't get a refund, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

You said your peace - we all get it - we're all suckers. Congratulations on your insight. Now take your 1/6th ball and go home.


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If you think you are doing the right thing what the heck difference does it make to you what I think? Unless...
Maybe you should quit this forum and start your own with Rule # 1 being that you cannot comment on a figure unless you first provide documented proof of your pre-order...I will definitely take my 1/6 ball home to avoid that nonsense...but in the meantime I will stay right here and tell everyone who is buying this that they are suckers and making sure that they know that the pictures are photoshopped...oh, and M8 are scammers!
 
Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Yeah, except some of us are buying this figure and would like to talk about it without some **** hole telling us we're idiots and everything's Photoshoped and you're stupid if you don't get a refund, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

You said your peace - we all get it - we're all suckers. Congratulations on your insight. Now take your 1/6th ball and go home.


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You're hardly ever here. You guys only pop in when M8 makes a improvement. So talk about the Lennon figure, no one is going to stop you. They're can be multiple conversations going at once, it's not that difficult.
 
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You're hardly ever here. You guys only pop in when M8 makes a improvement. So talk about the Lennon figure, no one is going to stop you. They're can be multiple conversations going at once, it's not that difficult.

Pretty much this. I have got a couple of whiners on ignore because of constant complaining about figures that actually get released however what I see on this topic is a legitimate concern over the poor choices some fellow boardies are making with this company.

Comparatively this figure has been as delayed as the Hot Toys' Hulkbuster itself if not more. Granted, it's by no means the same amount of time however HT never boasted about releasing the damn thing the same month pre-orders went up.

I do believe this toy will eventually see the light of day but no way it will be worth the torturous wait and outlandish price tag. Lennon might be M8's debut and farewell.
 
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Yeah, except some of us are buying this figure and would like to talk about it without some **** hole telling us we're idiots and everything's Photoshoped and you're stupid if you don't get a refund, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

You said your peace - we all get it - we're all suckers. Congratulations on your insight. Now take your 1/6th ball and go home.


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Funny, you're the one lowering things to the level of personal insults. Maybe some kind of projection of your own insecurities as you try to rationalise this post-purchase. Nobody here called anyone a "**** hole" for preordering, we did however all suggest you cancel direct orders with M8 and go through Sideshow, BBTS, etc instead. Yes, a good number of the images they've released have been photomanipulations and computer renders, that's not even open for debate.

I've got no idea why you feel the need to vitriolically white-knight the honour of Molecule8 either. The idea that only people who've paid for a product in advance are allowed to have an opinion is the kind of stupidity I expect to find on the IGN forums, not here. Remember, they're taking your money, not the other way round.

Pretty much this. I have got a couple of whiners on ignore because of constant complaining about figures that actually get released however what I see on this topic is a legitimate concern over the poor choices some fellow boardies are making with this company.

Comparatively this figure has been as delayed as the Hot Toys' Hulkbuster itself if not more. Granted, it's by no means the same amount of time however HT never boasted about releasing the damn thing the same month pre-orders went up.

I do believe this toy will eventually see the light of day but no way it will be worth the torturous wait and outlandish price tag. Lennon might be M8's debut and farewell.

That's actually debatable at this point. What really set alarm bells ringing for me, is the fact that I've been suckered into working for companies like this in the past. Never let a seemingly professional website fool you, there are people who can lash those things together in a weekend. It's always the same, they try to pretend they're one of the "big boys" when they're actually being run out of a shoebox shared office somewhere on the outskirts of a major city. I guarantee their single biggest expenditure will have been hiring KA Kim, things like 3D modelling and tailoring they'll have suckered some young hopeful into doing freelance for pennies or worse, "exposure".

https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-chadha-ba840420

A few minutes with Google will find you the remains of companies M8's CEO has been involved in previously. One got shuttered amid the unfinished development of a multi-million dollar project, the rest like Balloon27 never seem to have had much traction in the first place - even when B27's Twitter was active, it got tumbleweeds in terms of engagement. Also he's never been involved in anything relating to having to actually execute and deliver a physical product outside of a short tenure with a budget joypad manufacturer.

Nobody'd be happier to eat crow over this than me if they somehow knock it out the park - Hot Toys needs some competition - but if I were a betting man I'd be split between "massively underwhelming QC issue-ridden eventual release" and "company runs out of preorder capital and sinks before the figures ship". Rather than being honest about being a small, inexperienced company looking to make outside-the-box, innovative products, they chose to bull**** from day one, and as such even if they do manage to release products the memories of lies, evasiveness, missed deadlines, terrible handling of social media, etc are going to be with them always.

Great case study in how not to start a business in this field.
 
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Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Yeah, except some of us are buying this figure and would like to talk about it without some **** hole telling us we're idiots and everything's Photoshoped and you're stupid if you don't get a refund, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

You said your peace - we all get it - we're all suckers. Congratulations on your insight. Now take your 1/6th ball and go home.

Yeah, well, you've said your peace repeatedly too :lol
 
Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

I can't wait to see how this peas turns out.
 
Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Looks good to me.

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Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Great case study in how not to start a business in this field.


Whoa. Well said sir. I read the whole post. Completely agree by the way. I think this whole thing is summed up in your final paragraph and that's whats at the heart of forum members. Everything else is just frustration.
 
Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

At least now we know why Jerry Macaluso though that 1:6 market is collapsing. :lol
 
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At least now we know why Jerry Macaluso though that 1:6 market is collapsing. :lol

Well, here's an interesting conversation regarding just that theme:

I'm curious as to what's killing the 12" market. It seems like Hot Toys is the only game in town these days with Sideshow offering a few here and there, but I have to wonder if it's simply a pricing issue for smaller companies to get their product made, license costs, a combination of things, etc.

I know personally I've been 1/6 scale only for years, but they're pricing me out of the game. I've started picking up 7" scale stuff for the first time in almost a decade with some of McFarlane's recent offerings.

I can only make a (very) educated guess, but I think Hot Toys continued pursuit of better and better quality is killing the market, even for themselves.

The problem is it costs a lot of money to develop and manufacturer figures at the level HT is pushing for. And while customers will pay those prices for hot characters, they wont for anything else. Yet the customers still want that high level of quality on the lower tier characters...for a lower price.

On top of that, the number of factories that can produce at the HT level of quality can be counted on one hand. And since HT has those factories booked up, that means the other companies need to go to lessor factories BUT the customer balks at a less than HT quality. So the collector doesnt buy the lessor figure.

Its a vicious circle.

The second quote is Jerry.
I actually think he does have a point. It would be interesting to hear Nanjin's thoughts on this.
 
Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Jerry is exactly right.
 
Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Jerry is exactly right.

He is, yet was ridiculed for saying it. Everyone wants HT quality on their cult/grail, less than 500 would even sell figure but they don't want to pony up when the time comes no matter what they say about price (been guilty of that myself). Even the unlicensed figures are starting to creep up to $175 to $200.
 
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