Next Cinemaquette is Superman

[jet_force_juno]

Where do you come from?? this is a "free opinion" forum my friend is simply my opinion! i respect your judgment, but when the odds are 5 to 1 (Sarcasm again) is obvious the thing is a mess

So if this is a "free opinion" forum, why should I concern myself with talk of odds?

Have your own opinion, but please don't be so foolish as to present it as 'fact'.

btw my easy easy easy comment was about your early comments that were deleted by a .... moderator maybe??

Yeah, I know... I was being... oh it doesn't matter.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

With all the bashing going on, how much are people really willing to pay for a 100% accurate Chris Reeve Superman figure? $2000 for a 1/6 scale?

Whatever Hot Toys decide to charge for him will suit me fine. It will be near perfect anyway.

 

[Darklord Dave]

He's 1/3 scale, but lined up with the others it appears bigger because the box is wider and taller than all the other boxes and the base is bigger. And of course, Reeve was 6'4" and he's right next to Depp who is much shorter.

This is obviously the same sculpt as we saw at SDCC last year. The hair style can make a huge difference and mine still needs some adjustments.

The concerns I had with the blue of the suit I don't really have after examining the costume in the films (not the publicity shots).

Is it worth $2K? Probably not to a lot of people - but no one has the right to tell anyone else what they should collect.

 

[Vader AL]

Thanks for the pics Dave.

CM, where is Vader?

 

[Maglor]

Why does it look like this:

Instead of this:

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[jet_force_juno]

Can you confirm your edition number please Dave?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Why does it look like this:



Instead of this:

I don't understand the question - they look exactly alike?

I got 12 (if I remember correctly, maybe 11?).

 

[Louis Gara]

Your pictures are great Dave, can you please post some more shots ? Thanks..

 

[JRL]

So if this is a "free opinion" forum, why should I concern myself with talk of odds?

Have your own opinion, but please don't be so foolish as to present it as 'fact'.

i knew i saw this face somewhere else!

The name is John Saxon he appeared in a lot of movies and Tv shows in the 70's and the amazing movie Enter the Dragon

 

[Ash Housewares]

I don't understand the question - they look exactly alike?

I got 12 (if I remember correctly, maybe 11?).

Not exactly. The eyes looks much better in the proto. Dave your pics do look better, in terms of the quality of the materials and the silicon and hair but the features are exagerrated. Maybe if it was based on an older Reeve but it just isn't him from the first movie.

I kinda wanted this and would have sold some bits to buy it but it just isn't worth the asking Price IMO.

 

[goldbuffalo]

Look at the differences in this picture. What happened to the nose and mouth? The nose looks elongated and pointy. The lips looks thinner and mouth is wider. The eyes lack any realism and intensity. The eyebrows are way off too.

The proto has a strong intense look to the face where the final product isn't even close.

Maybe it needs different lighting to look better?

Dave's pictures look really good.

But, compare the picture on the right, to the SDCC image. I don't think they look the same.

That SDCC image is straight on in your face, in the middle of a convention center, not optimum photo taking environment. I don't think anyone can produce that image, straight out of the box, with the statues that have been sent.

I don't think it's as bad as people are saying, but it could/should be better.

 

[Natrix]

He's 1/3 scale, but lined up with the others it appears bigger because the box is wider and taller than all the other boxes and the base is bigger. And of course, Reeve was 6'4" and he's right next to Depp who is much shorter.

This is obviously the same sculpt as we saw at SDCC last year. The hair style can make a huge difference and mine still needs some adjustments.

The concerns I had with the blue of the suit I don't really have after examining the costume in the films (not the publicity shots).

Is it worth $2K? Probably not to a lot of people - but no one has the right to tell anyone else what they should collect.

I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what they should or shouldn't collect. All that matters is that the person who is buying any collectible piece is happy with their purchase and having it in their collection.

Some people could be more tactful and concise with their critiques without just running it down completely but you are going to get that regardless on a forum.

 

[goldbuffalo]

I've just added heaps of Superman photos to our gallery.

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compare above to this.

 

[cking]

Having had a piece of unused, unfaded ORIGINAL fabric from the batch that was custom woven for Reeve's costumes, I can tell you without any shadow of a doubt that the "Royal Blue" colour chosen by CM is WAY off. They most definitely did NOT get "as close as someone could" because my own research for my lifesize costume replica resulted in some fabric that was almost exactly the same color (just not the same weave texture). It's out there if you bother to look for it. CM's is really not even close. I have also seen the original and authenticated Reeve costume owned by Propstore of London (which was exactly the same colour as the unused fabric that I was allowed to borrow for a few months) and neither of those were faded because when photographed, they are exactly the same colour as the costumes that we see in the many photos taken of Reeve in costume.

I spoke at length with the late Noel Howard (formerly of Bermans and Nathans costume company in London) and he told me that he was the person who convinced costume designer Yvonne Blake that the custom woven fabric was the way to go for Reeve's costume. He also authenticated the aforementioned Propstore of London costume and told me that the fabric I had was the real deal and not faded (because it had been carefully stored and kept out of sunlight for nearly 30 years).

CM's costume person clearly didn't put enough effort into the design, colouring and fabrication of this. The yellow "S" shield on the cape is way off which really surprises me considering they were given access to a HI-RES photo of an original cape shield. It's really sad that with all of the resource and access to original costumes at their fingertips, they totally screwed this up. The head is way off and the costume is poor.

I made the mistake of buying the CM Indiana Jones - hoping that it was just the lighting in the pics I'd seen which made it look bad. When I opened it up and saw how terrible the face was, I put it straight back in the box and sold it the next day. No amount of good lighting can save this. It's just not very good. The sculptor of the head didn't want to be associated with it after someone else tweaked his work and I can see why.

Chris

Easy, easy, easy. So we're all clear JRL, here is what he wrote, and I quote:

"We had access to the original suit from the studio archives for reference. There was some discussion of making the suit a little lighter blue so it matches the suit as seen today exactly, but the costs of a custom color can be prohibitive - we would have had to commission thousands of yards of custom colored fabric.

The suit as it exists today is faded from the passage of time, so the color we have is closer to the color the day it was worn. I think we got as close as anyone could."

The whole article is on www.chocolatebydeath.com/blog for those interested.

Perhaps you should take a second look JRL? Would hate for you to mis-quote twice in the same thread.

 

[jet_force_juno]

When I opened it up and saw how terrible the face was, I put it straight back in the box and sold it the next day.

That's not technically correct. If memory serves, you clumsily took a pair of scissors to the jacket first.

 

[cking]

There was no clumsiness involved. The jacket removal was intentional because I just hated the ridiculously oversized zipper. Also, I don't understand why CM chose to pose the statue in the pose from the UK Raiders poster which features Indy NOT wearing the jacket. My decision to remove the jacket was so that the statue more closely resembled the poster that it was inspired from. The person who purchased the statue from me was very happy with that decision because he felt as I did that the statue looked better without the jacket.

That's not technically correct. If memory serves, you clumsily took a pair of scissors to the jacket first.

 

[Maglor]

I don't understand the question - they look exactly alike?

They look like 2 different sculpts. Both good, but different. One's a prototype?

 

[jet_force_juno]

There was no clumsiness involved. The jacket removal was intentional because I just hated the ridiculously oversized zipper.

I think "removal" is being kind. "Cak-handed hack job" may have been more precise.

Also, I don't understand why CM chose to pose the statue in the pose from the UK Raiders poster which features Indy NOT wearing the jacket.

Well, it's a pretty dynamic pose. And CM would have been criticised for not including the jacket. Ergo...

Anyway, just getting back to your point on Superman. I appreciate the hours of research you've done on the costume in the quest for the suit of your dreams. You're obviously very passionate about these things - I can totally respect that.

But you are of a breed that is obsessed, not concerned, obsessed, with screen accuracy, such that collectibles of the type CM produce are aimply a futile pursuit. I mean, you took a pair of household scissors to a £1000 collectible as if removing the jacket would somehow radically alter things - why not just replace the zipper?

The only advice I can give to you in this regard is to have another look at that which you given a year back by the sculptor of the CM Superman. It's linked right below if you've somehow forgotten. I appreciate we've moved on from the proto stage now, but nonetheless some solid points.

https://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=91419&page=32

 

[Darklord Dave]

They look like 2 different sculpts. Both good, but different. One's a prototype?

The sculpt is the same, the hair is a bit different.

 

[Anakin]