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Don't give a **** about anyone except Han.
This for me. No Han would make this a bust. With Indy on the way, this may be our only chance of ford cooperating. It’s at least 5 or 6 years since our last Harrison figure. Endor and bespin han are glaring holes for a primarily ot collector. I don’t think it will happen for whatever reason, but I will still be disappointed.
Also, I don’t think this will be only rotj. I hope it is, but I could see clone wars and mandalorian mixed in. I’m hoping it’s all rotj or just Han.
 
for non ROTJ... I would like

Andor:
Bix
Cinta (Wetsuit)
Dedra
Syril (corpo uniform)
Luthen
Kleya
Mon
Imperial Army trooper
Flashback Clone
Cassian (Imperial disguise)
Tie Pilot

Mando s3:
Praetorian Guard
Imperial Beskar Commando (reg and officer)
Beskar Gideon
Flashback Clones (reg, 501st and Curuscant Guard)

Bad Batch:
Imperial Crosshair
Republic Commando
Gen 1 TK (reg and officer)
Imperial Cody

Ahsoka:
Thrawn
Rumoured white and gold troopers
Sabine

Clone Wars:
Clones clones clones (especially s7 echo, ARC Fives, Wolfe, Cold weather Rex etc)



plus obviously many more do not immediately spring to mind such as ROTS line which I am sure I will have a long list for in a couple years
 
NEEDS to be a reveal or 2 tonight.
Today marks the 1 yr Anniversary for 3PO and R2.

Come on Hot toys!!
Let's go for the ROTJ 40TH!!!!!!!
No, leave it until May 4th. I always find it anticlimactic when they do these things early. The AOTC C3PO and R2 being a perfect example. The best tease they could do is something like “Prepare for the next wave of exciting collectibles from ROTJ, May the 4th be with you.”
 
Don't give a **** about anyone except Han.

*Monkey’s Paw*

Next Han is The Force Awakens 2.0 for TFA 10th in a few years.

haha, man can you imagine Howard’s reaction when they email him about the TFA 10th anniversary initiatives?

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Gonna predict for the May 4th celebrations we see Cal, Andor, a couple Mandalorian-related announcements and Boushh Leia.
 
*Monkey’s Paw*

Next Han is The Force Awakens 2.0 for TFA 10th in a few years.

haha, man can you imagine Howard’s reaction when they email him about the TFA 10th anniversary initiatives?

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I would hope that all fans are able to get what they want from companies without the personal likes or dislikes of the company founders interferring.
 
I would hope that all fans are able to get what they want from companies without the personal likes or dislikes of the company founders interferring.

It's not really just a matter of personal preference; it doesn't make business sense. ST merchandise just doesn't sell well in general compared to OT, PT, or Mando. I was mostly joking about TFA 10th but I doubt any of the collectibles and toy companies would be eager to make much for it.

If there is a marketing initiative for it, it'll likely be very small and intentionally overshadowed by ROTS 20th.
 
The biggest mistake is to not market OT and PT. Even Mando is getting a significant drop in merch sales.

Never underestimate the power of Lucas’ characters
 
It's not really just a matter of personal preference; it doesn't make business sense. ST merchandise just doesn't sell well in general compared to OT, PT, or Mando. I was mostly joking about TFA 10th but I doubt any of the collectibles and toy companies would be eager to make much for it.

If there is a marketing initiative for it, it'll likely be very small and intentionally overshadowed by ROTS 20th.
It's part of the story, but it's not really the complete picture. Every era has stuff that has sold well and stuff that doesn't move. TFA was overall a huge success, and it was actually Rogue One (not TLJ) which began the sharp fall in sales (that no doubt worsened following tantrums among some fans). Market saturation doesn't help either. SW Merchandise has had rejuvenation in Mando, but even then, I believe it's mostly Mando and Grogu that sell across the board, the others not quite so much. I'm still astonished Hot Toys produced a Kuill figure. They'd never had done that kind of character even for the OT or for Marvel. I can't imagine it sold that well. The million Grogu's paid for that one!

There's also a cyclical nature to these things. There was a time after ROTS where the PT merchandise was generally not produced and sold. A lot of the PT figures from SH Figuarts were limited run exclusives because the fear was that they wouldn't be popular. Lego has only just begun to produce prequel UCS sets (and even that's more TCW than the movies). But these days prequel kids (which I think a lot of you guys are) have grown up and are the ones spending the money and the market has shifted in their favour.

Soon it will be the ST kids who grow up and will want to spend money on their favourites. It's the anniversary milestones that remind people of what they love and it'll be as good a time as any to start actually producing ST merchandise again. It's not selling at the moment because virtually nothing is being made, so everyone's fears are based on old data. The irony is that I only started collecting Hot Toys because no-one was producing ST figures and I wanted to get something cool. I still can't find TLJ Rey for a reasonable price.
 
It's part of the story, but it's not really the complete picture. Every era has stuff that has sold well and stuff that doesn't move. TFA was overall a huge success, and it was actually Rogue One (not TLJ) which began the sharp fall in sales (that no doubt worsened following tantrums among some fans). Market saturation doesn't help either. SW Merchandise has had rejuvenation in Mando, but even then, I believe it's mostly Mando and Grogu that sell across the board, the others not quite so much. I'm still astonished Hot Toys produced a Kuill figure. They'd never had done that kind of character even for the OT or for Marvel. I can't imagine it sold that well. The million Grogu's paid for that one!

There's also a cyclical nature to these things. There was a time after ROTS where the PT merchandise was generally not produced and sold. A lot of the PT figures from SH Figuarts were limited run exclusives because the fear was that they wouldn't be popular. Lego has only just begun to produce prequel UCS sets (and even that's more TCW than the movies). But these days prequel kids (which I think a lot of you guys are) have grown up and are the ones spending the money and the market has shifted in their favour.

Soon it will be the ST kids who grow up and will want to spend money on their favourites. It's the anniversary milestones that remind people of what they love and it'll be as good a time as any to start actually producing ST merchandise again. It's not selling at the moment because virtually nothing is being made, so everyone's fears are based on old data. The irony is that I only started collecting Hot Toys because no-one was producing ST figures and I wanted to get something cool. I still can't find TLJ Rey for a reasonable price.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got nothing against people who love the ST which you presumably do. I gave it a chance and defended aspects of it up until TROS. I try not to think about all that too much now but I still want the Rey movie to do well and fix the era.

I still have a fairly substantial amount of ST collectibles with ANOVOS helmets, almost 2 full squads of Hot Toys Stormtroopers, Galaxy’s Edge ST merch, etc. I haven’t done a full purge as others have.

I understand those points though I don’t agree with some. These sorts of discussions have been done many times over. I have participated in many and I do try to take a balanced approach. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the ST and understand there’s a difference of perspective. So I’m not saying this to just be disparaging of the ST. I’m saying this as neutrally as possible.

With that said, there’s just no getting around the numbers. These companies have flat said ST merch did not sell anywhere near the numbers they hoped. Howard said it was a very dark time for business, and I’ve heard similar from other companies. While there was an initial surge of sales based on the excitement for a new trilogy, that tapered off very quickly.

Hot Toys made fewer figures for Rogue One in quantity and variety partly because TFA figures were not selling. TLJ and TROS also got fewer and fewer figures as a result.

Rogue One would’ve sold more merch if companies had made more. But they didn’t partially because TFA merch was still sitting around and they couldn’t predict how well RO would be received. Especially with some of the fan backlash against TFA, some fair and others not.

Objectively speaking, there’s just no comparing sales overall. ST merch can’t really compare with the lasting appeal of the OT, the resurgent love for the PT led by TCW, and Mando fever that exploded after the show.

It’s also far too early to say if ST kids will show up to buy toys and collectibles in the future. Kids don’t have the same attachment to toys anymore as they used to. OT kids have fond memories of vintage Star Wars toys, PT kids have memories of Clone Wars toys. TFA toys were terrible quality in general and don’t have the same lasting appeal. If kids wanted them at all. There was less and less and the trilogy went on.

It’s not really safe to assume there’ll be a nostalgia based resurgence as a whole like the PT either, at least on the same level. There’s a lot more content to be nostalgic for with the PT and TCW versus the ST… and Resistance I guess. The ST era does not have something like Clones which is a huge part of the appeal. Most of the ST characters were also unfortunately not developed enough to be as memorable, nor did they benefit from something like TCW that further developed them. I know there are people and kids who love the ST characters, but they’re not necessarily all going to drive enough sales to make making a lot of new products worthwhile.

And also important for sales, many people who weren’t necessarily fans of the PT can look back and see it didn’t really damage the setting and justify that it was still all Lucas. They might even realize there’s a lot of good content. Those people are going to look back on the ST and still be upset about how it treated the legacy characters.

It’s not the same situation and I think the 10th anniversary is way too early for people to really show up with money to spend on TFA.
 
And also important for sales, many people who weren’t necessarily fans of the PT can look back and see it didn’t really damage the setting and justify that it was still all Lucas. They might even realize there’s a lot of good content. Those people are going to look back on the ST and still be upset about how it treated the legacy characters.

It’s not the same situation and I think the 10th anniversary is way too early for people to really show up with money to spend on TFA.
You make some good points. It's a bit meaningless to discuss sales numbers without actually having the numbers (as opposed to what people claim). I'm told that Rogue One merchandise didn't move as well as TFA; not that companies didn't produce enough of it. There just wasn't the same demand.

Obviously, I have a bias here, same as everyone who engages in this conversation (I remember being on the other side of this a way back). However, I think we should dispel this 'objectively ST merchandise does not sell' attitude though, because it lacks nuance and also isn't always true. It's used more as a stick to beat the ST films with, since if stuff from it doesn't sell then it means the films or characters or writing were objectively bad I guess? Maybe the current scarcity helps, but what little we do see these days does sell, take for example the Black Series Rey lightsabre or one of those Funko things. And again, there was a point where PT product was in the same place, with people making all the same arguments you're making.

Anyhow, I quoted the above piece because I found it curious and a bit revisionist. The PT really did damage the brand for many years, maybe that's a concept that's hard to fathom now. It hasn't necessarily been 'rehabilitated' either; most likely there's just fewer people being vocal about it on the internet or simply less angry generally. Also, quite honestly, this many years later still posting about how the Emperor or Yoda were ruined is just a bit sad and a waste of time! Finally, just personally speaking I think it's ironic that we're talking about the 20th anniversary of a movie which killed the franchise for a generation and the 10th anniversary for a movie that brought in a whole new generation.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got nothing against people who love the ST which you presumably do. I gave it a chance and defended aspects of it up until TROS. I try not to think about all that too much now but I still want the Rey movie to do well and fix the era.

I still have a fairly substantial amount of ST collectibles with ANOVOS helmets, almost 2 full squads of Hot Toys Stormtroopers, Galaxy’s Edge ST merch, etc. I haven’t done a full purge as others have.

I understand those points though I don’t agree with some. These sorts of discussions have been done many times over. I have participated in many and I do try to take a balanced approach. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the ST and understand there’s a difference of perspective. So I’m not saying this to just be disparaging of the ST. I’m saying this as neutrally as possible.

With that said, there’s just no getting around the numbers. These companies have flat said ST merch did not sell anywhere near the numbers they hoped. Howard said it was a very dark time for business, and I’ve heard similar from other companies. While there was an initial surge of sales based on the excitement for a new trilogy, that tapered off very quickly.

Hot Toys made fewer figures for Rogue One in quantity and variety partly because TFA figures were not selling. TLJ and TROS also got fewer and fewer figures as a result.

Rogue One would’ve sold more merch if companies had made more. But they didn’t partially because TFA merch was still sitting around and they couldn’t predict how well RO would be received. Especially with some of the fan backlash against TFA, some fair and others not.

Objectively speaking, there’s just no comparing sales overall. ST merch can’t really compare with the lasting appeal of the OT, the resurgent love for the PT led by TCW, and Mando fever that exploded after the show.

It’s also far too early to say if ST kids will show up to buy toys and collectibles in the future. Kids don’t have the same attachment to toys anymore as they used to. OT kids have fond memories of vintage Star Wars toys, PT kids have memories of Clone Wars toys. TFA toys were terrible quality in general and don’t have the same lasting appeal. If kids wanted them at all. There was less and less and the trilogy went on.

It’s not really safe to assume there’ll be a nostalgia based resurgence as a whole like the PT either, at least on the same level. There’s a lot more content to be nostalgic for with the PT and TCW versus the ST… and Resistance I guess. The ST era does not have something like Clones which is a huge part of the appeal. Most of the ST characters were also unfortunately not developed enough to be as memorable, nor did they benefit from something like TCW that further developed them. I know there are people and kids who love the ST characters, but they’re not necessarily all going to drive enough sales to make making a lot of new products worthwhile.

And also important for sales, many people who weren’t necessarily fans of the PT can look back and see it didn’t really damage the setting and justify that it was still all Lucas. They might even realize there’s a lot of good content. Those people are going to look back on the ST and still be upset about how it treated the legacy characters.

It’s not the same situation and I think the 10th anniversary is way too early for people to really show up with money to spend on TFA.
In comparison I bet a 10th anniversary line of Rogue One would go down really well though. Especially with it being hot off the back of Andor season 2.

Disney might force Hot Toys’ hand a bit when it comes to an anniversary line for TFA. Especially as they’re forcing more ST content on us with the Rey movie.

Hot Toys really need to get invested in these anniversary lines as there’s some huge ones coming up. Just look at the positive response to what they did with AOTC last year, and that’s hardly the most popular SW film (I love it, but realise I’m in the minority).

2024: TPM 25th anniversary
2025: ROTS 20th anniversary
2026: RO 10th anniversary
2027: ANH 50th anniversary

There’s some serious potential there. Now if only they started announcing these anniversary figures a year in advance so that we could get them in hand on the anniversary year.
 
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