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SixMillionDollarMan Guy
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Really? Really karamazov80?
No player in the NFL means more to their team than Peyton Manning. Period!
That speaks more to how much the rest of his team sucks.
Darth Madden
You Are A Tooooooy!!!
How about that wonderful D that let Chad Henne (of all people) throw for 416.
Like I said, if they don't get shut out the next game, with Houston, San Diego and now with Colt in Cleveland that might happen
Grenouille
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Not a sparkling game by any means, but that number is inflated by garbage time.
I also said that New England's D is horrible, but with Brady they have nothing to worry about, tonight proved it.
But the Pat's defense better bring it because they got Rivers next.
and the O line better protect Brady because SD could pound him.
If he was so amazing, would he have choked in the playoffs so many times? I don't care how good you are in the regular season, in pro sports, it's the end of the season that matters most, and Peyton, while damn good, is insanely over-hyped to be considered 8th greatest player of all time or whatever given his post-season experiences.Really? Really karamazov80?
No player in the NFL means more to their team than Peyton Manning. Period!
Guess Dan Marino is a pile of garbage using that horrid philosophy.
He ain't in the top 10 players of all time, that's for damn sure. I'm not denying that Peyton is great, but top 10 NFL players ever? Not even close. Brady wins in a landslide in terms of great current QBs.
Who are the top 10 players of all time? Who are the top 10 qbs?
Here's the list NFL channel did last year:
https://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100
Peyton's the 3rd greatest QB ever according to this list.
What's your list? That 1 is irrelevant.
I'm not gonna spend all night compiling a list, but you can find plenty of names on that one of guys who succeeded more when it mattered. In terms of QBs, Brady and Montana are easily ahead of him, and he's probably on par with Fran Tarkenten (a great player who never won a championship), Marino, and John Elway, to name a few. Hell, I might even put Kurt Warner up there with him. Warner played in more Superbowls, and played well enough to win all of them (the rest of his team just didn't step up).
What it all comes down to is how important you figure the regular season is. We've actually had this discussion, oh, about 7,000 pages back. Michael Jordan isn't the greatest player in NBA history because of his regular season stats.
What it all comes down to is how important you figure the regular season is. We've actually had this discussion, oh, about 7,000 pages back. Michael Jordan isn't the greatest player in NBA history because of his regular season stats.
Go Lions.
(playoffs this year)
(playoffs this year)
Well using your logic:
Players who either lost in the playoffs or never won a SB are overrated.
Montana & Brady have played on All Time great teams, Peyton has had virtually nobody.
So Warner gets a pass for his team under performing, but when the Colts lose it's all Peyton's fault - got it.
NosferatuBill36
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Yeah, I gotta say, Karamazov--you're logic is pretty ****** up.
So how do you rate Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer to Manning? lol
Jim Kelly(who actually dominated Marino's teams when they played)?
Manning is one of the best of all time. Whether he wins another championship, or not.
So how do you rate Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer to Manning? lol
Jim Kelly(who actually dominated Marino's teams when they played)?
Manning is one of the best of all time. Whether he wins another championship, or not.
Well, I've seen every playoff game Manning's lost, and he's played significantly less well than he has in the regular season. That's not what "top 10 all-time great players" do. Oscar Robertson was one of the most insanely talented NBA players ever, but he only won one title, so he isn't considered near the top of the all-time greats list.
As for the Pats having all-time great teams, what evidence do you have? Cassel playing well that one year? That's not enough to declare the Pats teams all time greats and to negate the impact of Brady. The Colts have also had good teams around Manning, despite the lack of great defenses. Specifically, he's has some of the best offensive linemen I've ever seen play. But folks tend to ignore all that because they're O-linemen.
There are lots of great teams that don't win when a QB doesn't step up. Look at the Bears over the last decade. That's why QBs are considered the most important players on the team--because they can win and lose games. Peyton's dad was also an awesome QB, but he played on ____ teams so he never had a chance to become a great all-time player. Peyton had good enough teams to have phenomenal regular season success, just to blow it when it mattered most.
As for the Pats having all-time great teams, what evidence do you have? Cassel playing well that one year? That's not enough to declare the Pats teams all time greats and to negate the impact of Brady. The Colts have also had good teams around Manning, despite the lack of great defenses. Specifically, he's has some of the best offensive linemen I've ever seen play. But folks tend to ignore all that because they're O-linemen.
There are lots of great teams that don't win when a QB doesn't step up. Look at the Bears over the last decade. That's why QBs are considered the most important players on the team--because they can win and lose games. Peyton's dad was also an awesome QB, but he played on ____ teams so he never had a chance to become a great all-time player. Peyton had good enough teams to have phenomenal regular season success, just to blow it when it mattered most.
Johnson and Dilfer were guys who won because the teams around them were so good, obviously. Winning a Superbowl doesn't make you a great QB, but failing to win when you demonstrate that you can win in less pressure situations has to affect your legacy. Because winning when it matters is what makes great players all-time great players.
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