NFL Thread

[EXOTICLEX]

No one is trained to injure anyone.

What's funny is the NFL is now trying to act like they are the good guys.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Damn the Commish' dropped the hammer on Vilma!!!

I don't see this one sticking. Unkess there is a receipt on paper How can the NFL prove he paid someone money for that. If I were Vilma I'd get me a lawyer and sue the Nfl and Roger Goodell.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

I don't see this one sticking. Unkess there is a receipt on paper How can the NFL prove he paid someone money for that. If I were Vilma I'd get me a lawyer and sue the Nfl and Roger Goodell.

It's going to stick. Espn radio said the NFL got 2 Saints players to sign paperwork that Vilma did this (10k bounty).

Vilma: “The investigation concluded that while a captain of the defensive unit Vilma assisted Coach Williams in establishing and funding the program. Multiple independent sources also confirmed that Vilma offered a specific bounty -- $10,000 in cash – to any player who knocked Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner out of the 2009 Divisional playoff game and later pledged the same amount to anyone who knocked Minnesota quarterback Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC Championship Game the following week (played on Jan. 24, 2010). Vilma is eligible to be reinstated after the Super Bowl in 2013.’’

Your arguement doesn't hold water. Vilma can try and sue the NFL but it won't go anywhere.

"The specific discipline was determined by Commissioner Roger Goodell after a thorough review of extensive evidence corroborated by multiple independent sources. Under Article 46 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the standard NFL Player Contract, a player is subject to discipline by the commissioner for conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the NFL."

https://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/34667/why-each-player-was-suspended

https://www.wwltv.com/sports/black-...-for-NFL-on-player-suspensions-149841305.html

 

[EXOTICLEX]

https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0900...lma-shocked-and-extremely-disappointed-by-ban

So Goodell has refused to share any of the evidence with Vilma. No way I would take this laying down.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Vilma claims the Saints gave him the money for the bounty system to fire up the defensive players. Vilma did not run the system. Vilma was doing what he was told to do. There is no reason why Vilma should get the same time as the head coach. Now if they were gonna suspend Peyton forever then I could see this sticking. But when the head coach gets the same as the player they told to run it and the GM only gets 8 games I believe Vilma has some beef.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

That's for the NFLPA to take up with the league office.

And Mr. Vilma is certainly entitled to have a meeting with Mr. Goodell according to the latest CBA. It won't get him anywhere because they have him dead to rights. Just ask d-coordinator Greg Williams.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

Vilma claims the Saints gave him the money for the bounty system to fire up the defensive players. Vilma did not run the system. Vilma was doing what he was told to do. There is no reason why Vilma should get the same time as the head coach. Now if they were gonna suspend Peyton forever then I could see this sticking. But when the head coach gets the same as the player they told to run it and the GM only gets 8 games I believe Vilma has some beef.

Did you not read this from my previous post?

"Multiple independent sources also confirmed that Vilma offered a specific bounty -- $10,000 in cash – to any player who knocked Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner out of the 2009 Divisional playoff game and later pledged the same amount to anyone who knocked Minnesota quarterback Brett Favre out of the 2009 NFC Championship Game the following week (played on Jan. 24, 2010)"

The league office has signed paperwork from 2 Saints players about the 10k bounty (hence, "multiple independent sources").

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Well from what I've read the NFLPA won't be able to appeal this suspension because it's from what happened on the field. When a player is suspended for off the field problems it doesn't go directly to Goodell. Anything on the field goes directly to Goodell and he worded it directly on the field. If hes not sharing the info with Vilma now why would he meet with Vilma and just hand over his evidence. Vilma needs to lawyer up.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

Well from what I've read the NFLPA won't be able to appeal this suspension because it's from what happened on the field. When a player is suspended for off the field problems it doesn't go directly to Goodell. Anything on the field goes directly to Goodell and he worded it directly on the field. If hes not sharing the info with Vilma now why would he meet with Vilma and just hand over his evidence. Vilma needs to lawyer up.

Because Mr. Goodell is required to do so under the CBA. Any suspension of a player which leads to games being lossed automatically can be appealed by the player. And it would be in Mr. Vilma's best interest that he brings his lawyer to that meeting.

It's getting late, I need some sleep. Have a good night.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

I would say all of these players need to lawyer up. The NFLPA can't help them. Goodell isn't going to help them because he's the one that handed down the suspension. See Payton. I can totally see this being a fiasco. Saw the movie many years ago.

Starring....

Jonathan Vilma as Lance Cpl. Harold W. Dawson

Anthony Hargrove as Pfc. Louden Downey

Greg Williams as Lt. Jonathan Kendrick

Sean Payton as Lt. Col. Matthew Andrew Markinson

Mickey Loomis as Col. Nathan R. Jessup

6:11 mark
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Hl618l5B4&feature=relmfu[/ame]

Bobby Hebert gets it...
https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7882243

 

[IronLungs31]

Looks like Terrell Suggs will miss the whole 2012-13 season with a torn Achilles.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

"Terrell Suggs of the Ravens tears Achilles playing basketball"

This is bad news....that guy had a monster season last year.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/...vens-tears-achilles-playing-hoops-sources-say


EDIT: IL beat me to it.

 

[sprig0701]

Looks like Terrell Suggs will miss the whole 2012-13 season with a torn Achilles.

That guy is a freaking terror to the Steelers!!! I don't wish major injuries to these guys, but this is good news to Steelers fans

 

[user 1190]

I don't see this one sticking. Unkess there is a receipt on paper How can the NFL prove he paid someone money for that. If I were Vilma I'd get me a lawyer and sue the Nfl and Roger Goodell.

I don't see how he can win. He signed a contract and agreed terms and the way the suspension is worded he can't win unless he leaves the NFLPA?

And for those say he has no provided proof it has been reported that ALL the players who were suspended REFUSED to meet with the NFL prior to suspensions. You can't _____ you didn't get when you refuse to meet with your accusers.

 

[karamazov80]

No one is trained to injure anyone.

Well I said "hurt." Defenders may not be trained to injure, but the nature of hitting and tackling a guy implies that he's gonna get hurt. . .unless their opponents are like that guy from James Bond that feels no pain. And when you are hurting other guys, there is always a potential for injury at some level.

And for those say he has no provided proof it has been reported that ALL the players who were suspended REFUSED to meet with the NFL prior to suspensions. You can't _____ you didn't get when you refuse to meet with your accusers.

If true, then I agree with you. I feel little sympathy for any of these guys across the board.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Maybe, maybe not. You need to remember the scrutiny the league is under for head injuries at the moment. You have retired players suffering from CTE committing suicide because of extensive head injuries that occurred during their playing careers. The league can't appear to take a bounty system that encouraged injuring opponents as nothing when preaching player safety.

I'm not saying "no harm, no foul" I am just curious as to whether there are going to be any specific incidents addressed with something like criminal charges.

Brett Favre required surgery caused by a very dirty illegal hit that was not called.

Who hit him? One of the Saints?

 

[karamazov80]

I guess he's referring to Hargrove.

 

[Darth Cruel]

I just read an interview with LaMarr Woodley about the bounty. He compares it to contract incentives, and the writer ended up sounding like he agreed with him. But I am on the other side of the fence about that. Contract incentives are intended to be for play within the rules. This bounty seems to have gone beyond that.


I often wonder what skeletons are in other teams' closets.


At the end of the day, though, I wonder how nice football will become before it is no longer interesting to me. I feel that it is lessened already, just in the 37 years I have been a fan.

I am not for playing outside the rules. But the nicer they make football, the less interesting it is for me. And I remember talking to some Rugby players at the Prince of Wales building in Hong Kong in the mid 80's who considered football to be a rougher sport than Rugby...even with the pads. I wonder if they feel that way now.

 

[karamazov80]

I think the nature of the game is changing, and I wonder how far it will go toward protecting players. It always has been an inherently violent sport, but now guys are so big, fast, and strong due to better science (including better diets, training, and steroids) that running full speed, often head first into a guy can have serious health-related consequences. And there is no longer the same stigma attached to admitting that your health was detrimentally affected by the game that there was historically. Concurrently, we've got a much better medical understanding of the effects this has on the brain and the rest of the body

The question is how much the public or other interested groups truly care about the health related impacts vs. the enjoyment people get from the game. Ultimately, that is what will determine what happens with the NFL. And I don't really know the answer to that.

 

[BadMoon]

I think they should move the kickoff spot another 5 yards up. That should clear all of this up.