Nintendo Wii-U

[Shropt]

This may be the first Nintendo console that doesn't survive long enough to see an original Legend of Zelda game released for it. It's the first Nintendo console I haven't purchased, and I have a Virtual Boy!

This system is definitely in Virtual Boy territory. They did so much right... only about 2-3 years too late.

 

[youbastards]

Unfortunately, the problem with Nintend'oh! isn't that they are still in the console market, but that they refuse to bring the rich story-telling devices inherent in other games to their franchises.

The fact that it is 2013 and we STILL haven't had a voice-actor driven 'Legend of Zelda' is beyond ridiculous. Nintend'oh! needs to get with the times, and produce games with the same level of production value and storytelling that other games on the market are already providing to consumers if they want to be able to compete, so abandoning consoles in favor of pure software development isn't going to make a difference unless they revamp their game development from the ground up.

It's a shame that Skyrim is closer to what a 'Legend of Zelda' game should be at this point, than anything Nintend'oh! has produced in the last 15 years.

 

[Kabukiman]

The fact that it is 2013 and we STILL haven't had a voice-actor driven 'Legend of Zelda' is beyond ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous, it's one of my favorite aspects of Nintendo games. Other M's voice acting turned an okay game into a torturous steaming pile of crap.

Nintendo isn't about story, it's about gameplay. If anything, I would argue Nintendo games need less story. I'd rather have abstract stories left open to interpretation and changing with every new play rather than static cutscenes.

As for the death of the system, we'll see. It took the PS3 about 2 years to gain any traction and video game bloggers declared the Wii U dead long before the system was even released. It's definitely not in "Virtual Boy territory" though: It had the second best launch ever in terms of sales and already sold many times more than the Virtual Boy did in the entire life of that system. Nintendo has a major PR problem right now and if they don't fix it, it will kill the system. https://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/05/18/wii-u-two-years-of-negative-brand-momentum/

 

[youbastards]

As someone who apparently is a fan of Troma, I'm not surprised that the story isn't important to you.

I disagree about the story elements, but they have lost sight of even the gameplay that made their games fun, every Zelda game has to have a gimmick now (boats, trains, flying), that doesn't make them more fun, it makes them more tedious.

The last "great" Nintendo game was Metroid Prime, it was original, fun, and stayed true to its roots while completely changing the style of game from 2D to 3D while retaining the feel of the 2D games. Oh, and it was developed by Retro.

Mario and Zelda 3D games for the last decade have been gimmick-driven, (straying too far from what made the games great and fun to play. The last "true" Mario and Zelda games we got were both on the N64 (Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time), everything since then has either been a port of those same games to a new console/handheld or an attempt to recreate the success of those games by introducing unnecessary gameplay elements (Mario Sunshine, Galaxy, Zelda Wind Waker, Skyward Sword) that fall flat. Twilight Princess was close, but it just didn't have the charm the Zelda franchise was known for...

 

[Shropt]

As for the death of the system, we'll see. It took the PS3 about 2 years to gain any traction and video game bloggers declared the Wii U dead long before the system was even released. It's definitely not in "Virtual Boy territory" though: It had the second best launch ever in terms of sales and already sold many times more than the Virtual Boy did in the entire life of that system. Nintendo has a major PR problem right now and if they don't fix it, it will kill the system. https://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/05/18/wii-u-two-years-of-negative-brand-momentum/

Does that include all of the system returns from unsold resellers returning their systems?

You can't compare this to the PS3 because the PS3 was technically too powerful and too expensive in the market. Wii U will be underpowered in the soon to be current gen in less than 6 months.

 

[Kabukiman]

Does that include all of the system returns from unsold resellers returning their systems?

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[Shropt]

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[BurningRage]

As someone who apparently is a fan of Troma, I'm not surprised that the story isn't important to you.

I disagree about the story elements, but they have lost sight of even the gameplay that made their games fun, every Zelda game has to have a gimmick now (boats, trains, flying), that doesn't make them more fun, it makes them more tedious.

The last "great" Nintendo game was Metroid Prime, it was original, fun, and stayed true to its roots while completely changing the style of game from 2D to 3D while retaining the feel of the 2D games. Oh, and it was developed by Retro.

Mario and Zelda 3D games for the last decade have been gimmick-driven, (straying too far from what made the games great and fun to play. The last "true" Mario and Zelda games we got were both on the N64 (Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time), everything since then has either been a port of those same games to a new console/handheld or an attempt to recreate the success of those games by introducing unnecessary gameplay elements (Mario Sunshine, Galaxy, Zelda Wind Waker, Skyward Sword) that fall flat. Twilight Princess was close, but it just didn't have the charm the Zelda franchise was known for...

And yet Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are the highest rated games this past generation.

 

[youbastards]

And yet Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are the highest rated games this past generation.

And yet "How Green Was My Valley" beat "Citizen Kane" for Best Picture in 1941.

 

[Shropt]

And yet "How Green Was My Valley" beat "Citizen Kane" for Best Picture in 1941.

 

[darthviper107]

So when do we call time on this system? After Christmas? After they release Smash Brothers?

I'm seriously asking.

I'm thinking after they release one of their "real" games like Smash Bros. Mario, Mario Kart, or a new Zelda game we'll see if it's actually going to survive. I'm wondering how many Nintendo fans bought the console when it first came out, so it will be a good indicator when something good actually comes out to whether or not the new console will do well.

My guess---they aren't going to get the casual market that bought the Wii which greatly reduces how many people buy the Wii U. I also get the impression that there aren't as many Nintendo fans that are going to buy it just for Nintendo games like they did with the Gamecube. Best case I think is that it does about the same as the Gamecube

 

[BurningRage]

And yet "How Green Was My Valley" beat "Citizen Kane" for Best Picture in 1941.

And yet this is based on more people's opinion than those voting on an Oscar.

 

[Victοr]

I myself have strayed away from nintendo. The last couple of years the already established franchises have lost their magic while i don't see any new IPs. Mario is a shadow of his former self imo. Metroid (which is one of my favourite game franchises of all time) is nowhere to be seen and Zelda has lost this special something. Sure, mario galaxy 1&2 and luigi's mansion 2 are great games but we rarely see this kind of games from Nintendo anymore. We see more of Mario 3d Land which is one boring game.

Now don't get me wrong, i enjoy a platformer but lbp on the vita gave me a whole lot more than mario 3d on the 3ds. This kind of game has been done to death and i don't see any inovation. As for the wii u, i doubt i'll ever buy it. The ps4 and maybe the new xbox will fill the next gen void and imo will leave the wii u behind. Wii u will act like the wii and the 3ds or like the vita. Depending on their marketing. And to be honest, i won't spend my cash to a past generation console while with around the same money (depends on how much they price them) i can buy a next gen console which will have all that i care about.

And to be clear, when i play a game i play it both for its story, gameplay and graphics. And all that "you are not a true gamer when you care about graphics" is nonsense. Would you play skyrim or mass effect if it hd ps1 graphics? No, because the overall environment they have created demands hi-tech graphics. Minecraft doesn't ahve bad graphics, it has it's "own" style. The graphics fit with the overall world. it's sort of like computer lego.

Also, while mario is good, i would never put those games anywhere near deus ex, bioshock infinite or metal gear solid. Mario is a popcorn game. Not a kiddie game, everyone can enjoy it but like the transformers movies, they belong in the popcorn genre.

 

[Kabukiman]

I don't get why people are so interested in playing armchair video game industry executive. Just play the games you like.

@BurningRage Anyone who calls one of the best games of all time, Mario Galaxy, "gimmick driven" clearly doesn't know what they are talking about. My advice: do not engage.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

It's a shame that Skyrim is closer to what a 'Legend of Zelda' game should be at this point, than anything Nintend'oh! has produced in the last 15 years.

I think it was someone in this thread a while back that said Nintendo would own everybody else if they gave us a Zelda game set up exactly like how Skyrim plays.

I think Nintendo's biggest problem is that hey keep relying on Nostalgia to garner their sales numbers. Seriously, how many times are they going to keep re-releasing a Zelda game? How many times are they going to re-release Mario Kart, Mario Party, or SSB for each subsequent system?? Nintendo really needs to rethink how they approach development to bridge the gap to today's market.

 

[Victοr]

I think it was someone in this thread a while back that said Nintendo would own everybody else if they gave us a Zelda game set up exactly like how Skyrim plays.

I think Nintendo's biggest problem is that hey keep relying on Nostalgia to garner their sales numbers. Seriously, how many times are they going to keep re-releasing a Zelda game? How many times are they going to re-release Mario Kart, Mario Party, or SSB for each subsequent system?? Nintendo really needs to rethink how they approach development to bridge the gap to today's market.

Exactly! They rely far too much on nostalgia and have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. I mean, they could give us a full on 3d pokemon game, kinda like skyrim but nooooo we have to still use static images for the battles. X and Y is a step forward but i bet they'll use that model for 10 or so years. And seriously, mario galaxy is good, great even but i would never place it up there with games which combine a powerfull story,immersive gameplay and a unique world.

 

[youbastards]

I don't get why people are so interested in playing armchair video game industry executive. Just play the games you like.

@BurningRage Anyone who calls one of the best games of all time, Mario Galaxy, "gimmick driven" clearly doesn't know what they are talking about. My advice: do not engage.

Time will certainly tell, but Mario Galaxy is hardly one of the "best games of all time", at best it is a derivative of Super Mario 64, truly one of the "best games of all time" and the last time Nintend'oh! was an innovator, instead of a company trying to play catch-up.

 

[darthviper107]

Mario Galaxy is fine, but it's shallow

 

[Drakul]

I personally had a blast playing SMG, one of my finest game memories of this past generation.

 

[Shropt]

Mario Galaxy sold horribly, especially outside of the US. That's why we keep getting NSMB rehashes.

This is kind of old but you can see how the "New" side scrollers outsell the hell out of any of the Galaxy or 3d games.