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This is the one that is going to sell units. MK AND SUPER SMASH BROS!!!! atleast I better get me some MK this year!



Do you enjoy JRPGS? If so the Wii U has xenoblade chronicles 2 and SMT x Fire Emblem coming. Two games I can't wait for!

Only game that will get some units moving in the west is a new smash, since its a pretty big community.
 
Only game that will get some units moving in the west is a new smash, since its a pretty big community.

nah a big 3D mario game will get units moving. Also once the new Zelda U comes out I guarantee that will move units. Though you are right a new smash will definitely get some moving. The community is rather large and now that SSB was added to EVO this year I think it will make that much more difference.
 
Wii-U or 3DS-XL.....I know that sounds like a stupid question but with the number of games playable on the 3DS and the fact it will have more Mario and Zelda games, I'm leaning towards the 3DS-XL.
 
Because graphics mean everything!! I mean **** link doesn't even talk. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CONNECTO TO A CHARACTER WHO DOES NOT TALK. people are so stupid. Zelda is as good as always :dunno

Nope, Zelda games, along with the majority of Japanese developed games, are behind the curve when it comes to videogame storytelling and it has caused the developers to create gimmicks for each new title instead of advancing the concept. (Look, now Link can fly around another version of Hyrule that you don't recognize!)

Graphics are important, but an immersive game that brings the player into the story is more important. Until Nintendo embraces the advancements that most western game developers have embraced, Zelda, Metroid, and Mario games will continue to be limited in the amount of immersion the player feels.

Oh and Tingle. :rotfl

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Nope, Zelda games, along with the majority of Japanese developed games, are behind the curve when it comes to videogame storytelling and it has caused the developers to create gimmicks for each new title instead of advancing the concept. (Look, now Link can fly around another version of Hyrule that you don't recognize!)

Graphics are important, but an immersive game that brings the player into the story is more important. Until Nintendo embraces the advancements that most western game developers have embraced, Zelda, Metroid, and Mario games will continue to be limited in the amount of immersion the player feels.

Oh and Tingle. :rotfl

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Your kidding right? Has Zelda Mario or Metroid ever TRULY been about story? No it hasn't. If you are looking for an incredible story don't buy Japanese made games, because I agree most of them fall flat on story but if you want awesome gameplay buy them. I would pretty much be done with zelda if they made it like Skyrim. Nobody that is a true zelda fan wants that to happen.
 
Nope, Zelda games, along with the majority of Japanese developed games, are behind the curve when it comes to videogame storytelling...

I'm gonna stop you right there. Nobody is playing Miyamoto games for story. The man is a genius game designer who doesn't give a **** about story. If you're looking for story, look elsewhere.

Games can work with story and games can work without story. The day we start demanding all games have some deep story is the day I stop playing games altogether.
 
Riiiiiight. So, according to you two, neither story or graphics are important in 2013 for a successful game and/or game console. Congrats, you two are the demographic that Nintend'oh! is aiming for, have fun buying Ocarina of Time again! :rotfl

Where did I say that? The bit you quoted from me was specific to Miyamoto games and nowhere did I mention graphics *at all*.

Here is exactly what I wrote:

I'm gonna stop you right there. Nobody is playing Miyamoto games for story. The man is a genius game designer who doesn't give a **** about story. If you're looking for story, look elsewhere.

Games can work with story and games can work without story. The day we start demanding all games have some deep story is the day I stop playing games altogether.

From my point of view, story has rarely been done well in video games. It's usually there to distract from shallow gameplay, or is just plain bad. Lot's of people disagree with that stance, so it's great that we have so much choice in selecting what we want to buy.

Calling Nintendo "Nintend'oh" is just as inane as those idiots who call Microsoft "Micro$oft" and shows you don't really want to have a conversation, you just want to troll. Normally, I can ignore that and you can just keep on your merry trolling ways, but don't put words in my mouth.
 
Settle down there, sport. I quoted posts 2 people made, one person arguing that graphics aren't important and another stating that story isn't important.

There is no conversation to be had, some people believe that Shigeru Miyamoto is the second coming of Christ, and that Nintendo can do no wrong.

I'm on the other side of the camp. I was a loyal "Nintend'oh!" consumer since the NES. I still have every system from the NES to the Wii, and I kept all of the boxes and instruction manuals for all of my games. I own every release of every Zelda game ever made. Hell, I even own the CD-i Nintendo games.

That company has alienated their loyal consumer base long enough, and unless some major changes occur within the corporate structure, the WiiU will be the swan song for the fabled "Nintend'oh!" household name, even then, I think the damage has been done.
 
Settle down there, sport. I quoted posts 2 people made, one person arguing that graphics aren't important and another stating that story isn't important.

Who was the person stating story wasn't important? It wasn't me. The bit you quoted was me saying Miyamoto doesn't do story, I said nothing about the importance of story.
 
Settle down there, sport. I quoted posts 2 people made, one person arguing that graphics aren't important and another stating that story isn't important.

There is no conversation to be had, some people believe that Shigeru Miyamoto is the second coming of Christ, and that Nintendo can do no wrong.

I'm on the other side of the camp. I was a loyal "Nintend'oh!" consumer since the NES. I still have every system from the NES to the Wii, and I kept all of the boxes and instruction manuals for all of my games. I own every release of every Zelda game ever made. Hell, I even own the CD-i Nintendo games.

That company has alienated their loyal consumer base long enough, and unless some major changes occur within the corporate structure, the WiiU will be the swan song for the fabled "Nintend'oh!" household name, even then, I think the damage has been done.

Did I say graphics mean nothing? Absolutely not, but do I think Zelda needs Skyrim type graphics? **** no. I enjoy nintendo games, because they fun, laid back and I love the art direction on most of the games. I don't need realistic graphics in every game I play. Hell look at TF2 one of the biggest FPS of all time yet the graphics are cartoony as hell. Before you say its only big because its free well it was huge when it first came out when you actually had to buy the game. I'm a PC gamer you really think I don't give a **** about graphics at all? My point of that was to say that graphics aren't everything to a game. I can still have fun as hell with something even if the graphics aren't that great. Give me good gameplay over graphics any day.
 
This is why the Wii U is doing bad

:exactly: The wii u is a game system. Not just a tablet. The Tablet is the controller you use. It allows for gaming off and on the tv. You can hook up additional controllers such as wii motes and a pro controller? Something like that i forget the name. It's just basically your normal looking controller.
 
I'm not saying that Zelda needs to be an exact copy of skyrim. Skyrim is brought as an example to show how they can create a living, breathing, believable world. We want to see something more added to the franchise. I'm not talking about a massive story, with hidden messages regarding human life. I'm not asking for a Doctor Who story with twists on every turn or forshadowing of the next game in the series. I just want something new! A more open-world type of game, new gameplay mechanics, new bosses, new villains. Wouldn't it be cool to fight a collossal gollem ala Shadow Of The Collossus? I want to have fun but not at expense of innovation. We need more Mario Galaxy and less Super Mario 3d Land type of games.

Yes, Mario Galaxy is great but i wouldn't put it in my list of best games ever made. A game to be regarder as "the best" needs to combine everything. Story, grahics, gameplay. And when people talk about adding better graphics in Zelda i doubt they mean making them hyper realistic. Are bioshock: Infinite's gaphics hyper realistic? No. Is Infinite beautifull and jaw dropping? Hell yes! You just have to find that perfect artistic style and upgrade it from time to time.

Also,I'm not saying that Nintendo will crash and burn. I'm just saying that they need to get up and do some work. I don't want to play yet another mario platformer. Luigi's mansion, mario sunshine, mario galaxy, these are the type of game i want to see from nintendo. A new metroid, a new starfox, a new ip. I still haven't written off the wii u. If pikmin 3 is good, if they announce something else except mario and zelda, or if they shake things up with those franchises then i'll give it a chance. For now the ps4 leads therace. The wii u is second because even if sales are poor, it still has the household names. The xbox one was an absymal piece of ****. It's a home entertainment box. Not a video game console. And say what you will about holding off their big guns till e3, the last few years microsoft has been going downhill. They focus too much at kinect and so little at games that they'll eventually abandon them. Their exclusives are: Halo, Forza, Gears and Alan Wake. The rest are forgetable at best.
 
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