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[Khev]

Mostly agreed. I don't mind extra-Biblical embellishments. Scripture contains insufficient detail with which to recreate the scene and dialogue. The Biblical account is a framework, not a script or storyboard.

I'd add a few caveats to that. Extra-Biblical is fine to an extent, but counter-Biblical isn't, and will alienate the target audience. Don't contradict what's there, but embellishing to add detail is necessary. The second caveat is that the subject matter should be taken seriously ... which is where I'd disagree with you on aliens or extra-Biblical "monsters". Don't make the source material into a punch line.

Third ... avoid political embellishments like the plague. Let the story speak for itself ... don't make it a vehicle to speak for you.

SnakeDoc

I'm with you there. It's a slippery slope and it's hard to say what specifically would put me off about including too much fantasy. I dismissed that whole Bible miniseries last year due to all the inaccuracies but for some reason I'm kind of curious to see monsters and things in a big budget popcorn movie. If it plays like they're making the Bible a joke or playing the whole thing off as fantasy itself then I'll watch it once and leave it at that.

 

[occulum]

I agree with just enjoying the story for what it is and lose the pretentiousness of insisting its accurate to stories which are impossible to verify their own accuracy anyway.

It's like many say, the Bible and Christianity both came about after Jesus existed. Neither are directly a approved by Jesus himself.

 

[Khev]

Actually Jesus quoted quite a few Scriptures as facts. Unless that's not what you were getting at.

 

[occulum]

Actually Jesus quoted quite a few Scriptures as facts. Unless that's not what you were getting at.

prove it. .... don't tell me, "the Bible says so" right?

there are many beliefs which span across the board. Again they are all impossible to verify. just like our media manipulates information today, Im positive the same was done back then.

My father-in-law is one of the kindest most spiritual people Ive ever met, yet even he believes the original Bible was manipulated by the Romans to control the masses and the inserted all of the wrath/hell to control the masses thru fear and that Jesus was only pure Love with no fear/wrath.
Again, impossible to verify, but I would never be surprised if thats exactly what happened.

 

[Khev]

prove it. .... don't tell me, "the Bible says so" right?

Well if you want to ignore handwritten eyewitness accounts as to what he did and said then obviously I'm not going to prove anything to you. Its up to you to look at historical evidence and believe what you want.

That being said, you certainly can't prove that Jesus didn't quote Scriptures when he walked the earth, in fact I would say it takes greater faith to believe he didn't than he did.

So of course its all faith, it just comes down to how great of a leap you want to make.

My father-in-law is one of the kindest most spiritual people Ive ever met, yet even he believes the original Bible was manipulated by the Romans to control the masses and the inserted all of the wrath/hell to control the masses thru fear and that Jesus was only pure Love with no fear/wrath.
Again, impossible to verify, but I would never be surprised if thats exactly what happened.

I think that just comes down to whether or not you believe that God is "weak" enough to not get the "word" out, so to speak. I'm on the side that thinks an omnipotent God is going have a pretty easy time making sure His Word stays intact regardless of meddling attempts by mortal men. Yes there have been mistranslations/misinterpretations in other languages (English or otherwise) but the original Hebrew/Greek/Armaic texts still stand.

 

[KitFisto]

Then prove people once thought the world was flat. Just because there are writtings that say so doesn't mean they really did. You could apply "prove it" to almost anything.

Also, yes I believe the Bible is the word of God. I believe it by faith. No, I can't factually prove to you what you don't want to believe.

 

[occulum]

overall I dont want to get into any religious debate.
Im a peace/love kinda guy. And I dont care what its grounded in....

 

[occulum]

Just because there are writtings that say so doesn't mean they really did.

thank you .... .....

 

[Khev]

overall I dont want to get into any religious debate.

I'm not debating religion with you, just discussing what constitutes various levels of faith.

 

[occulum]

I'm not debating religion with you, just discussing what constitutes various levels of faith.

Im with you my friend.
I dont agree with everything Christianity preaches. It has more holes than Ironman 3, but I do believe the majority of it is based in love and a lot of good things do come from it.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

I agree with just enjoying the story for what it is and lose the pretentiousness of insisting its accurate to stories which are impossible to verify their own accuracy anyway.

It's like many say, the Bible and Christianity both came about after Jesus existed. Neither are directly a approved by Jesus himself.

We get it. You're the smartest guy in the room. You don't believe this nonsense, there is no truth here to seek, and the source material couldn't be less relevant to your more discerning mind. Silly Christians and Jews and their silly superstitions.

Fine by me, smart guy. But why bother even addressing a movie you'd rather not see made, about a subject you find insulting to your intelligence, from source material that you think is a joke? If it doesn't matter to you ... why does it matter to you?

SnakeDoc

 

[occulum]

Im actually quite anxious to see the movie. it looks fantastic IMO.
I do understand why you're judgemental to my open-minded thinking tho ...

 

[CelticPredator]

The fact this is frustrating Christians is what's going to make this film good imo.

 

[The Josh]

The fact this is frustrating Christians is what's going to make this film good imo.

I'm a Christian and it isn't frustrating me at all. Actually, it looks like its going to be a darn good movie.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

I'm a Christian, and not at all frustrated. Movie looks great to me. Though it is strange that you'd like a movie because it frustrated me.

It was a genuine question. If it doesn't matter to you, why does it matter to you?

It'd be like somebody that detests the source material for Batman chiming in on Batman threads to talk about why they dislike the entire concept, and how they'd prefer source material departures because the source only matters to idiots. So, you're there evangelizing against a movie you don't care about because nobody else should care either? Bizarre.

If you dislike the source material to that extent, why bother with the movie at all?

SnakeDoc

 

[occulum]

Hopefully you're not talking about me. I do not detest the source material. I find much of it interesting/fascinating and Im wide open to it all being true. Im also open to the opposite...

Pretty much everything you assumed about me in your last post is FAR from my opinion. You went off on your own frustrated tangent. But I guess since you put it in writing its now deemed fact right???

 

[The Josh]

Hopefully you're not talking about me. I do not detest the source material. I find much of it interesting/fascinating and Im wide open to it all being true. Im also open to the opposite...

Pretty much everything you assumed about me in your last post is FAR from my opinion. You went off on your own frustrated tangent. But I guess since you put it in writing its now deemed fact right???

I think he was talking to CP.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

God was so pissed off that no one was worshiping him that he killed everyone except for one family. Sounds like a great family film.

I've always gotten a kick that the Bible has things/events that happen, which if they happened outside of the Bible, people would declare it witchcraft, sorcery, obvious fiction and be completely unaccepted by the general public. But since its in the Bible, its automatically viewed as truth with no further common sense/thought applied. They're paralyzed with fear to even dare to think otherwise...

The Housewives of Who Gives A **** >>> The Bible.

I can't help but laugh while watching that

... Etc. ...

Hopefully you're not talking about me. I do not detest the source material. I find much of it interesting/fascinating and Im wide open to it all being true. Im also open to the opposite...

Pretty much everything you assumed about me in your last post is FAR from my opinion. You went off on your own frustrated tangent. But I guess since you put it in writing its now deemed fact right???

I was talking about people who ventured in here to write stuff like that listed above ... you included. You didn't sound that wide open to Biblical truth ... you sounded like you were mocking believers.

But, I've been wrong before.

Still not frustrated, though. Just curious.

SnakeDoc

 

[occulum]

I was talking about people who ventured in here to write stuff like that listed above ... you included. You didn't sound that wide open to Biblical truth ... you sounded like you were mocking believers.

Im very wide open to it. But if I allow myself to step back and impartially remove any religious bias, many events that happen in the Bible are not far removed from anything that happens in a Clash of the Titans movie which many people would deem completely unrealistic.

Im one of those people that can entertain myself by reflecting on even my own faults / oddities / contradictions. To me its part of enjoying the ride on the giant marble hurling through space.

 

[RIDDICK]

I'm afraid to watch this... all I'd think about is:

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