Odds of SSC Grevious

[user 1190]

Whats funny is that I didnt really care about Grievous before. He was just ok, then I saw and got the PF of him and now he is becoming more and more one of my favorite. I think I just never really payed attention to him, but the PF makes him seem so much cooler.

 

[Khev]

While it's cool to have a tale told in multiple formats, I think each should stand on it's own two legs as a complete story.

I agree. The Matrix movies were incredibly guilty of this. That said, nothing more needed to be told of Grievous on film. He was a cool looking henchman with minimal screen time in the tradition of Boba Fett and Darth Maul.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wasn't counting the CW. Just the build-up throughout the movie about how dangerous and vile he is, and then the build-up of him going all four arms, lighting thew blades, then doing the spinning blades of death bit. That's build up. The fight should be longer than the build-up, that's all....

I'm enjoying this discussion, it's all for love of the subject. Having said that, I apologize for having derailed the thread a bit....

Not derailed -- its about Grievous.

I agree that a better fight would have been cooler. I was disappointed that the fight was so brief, and Grievous lost two hands so quickly. He was definitely underused there.

But I'm not so sure Grievous was "built up" in the movie that much. All I remember anyone really saying about him is Mace: "Grievous is a coward. He'll run and hide as he always does." Or something like that. I think that captures the flavor of ROTS Grievous fairly accurately.

This opinion comes from the fact that I didn't see the CW until after ROTS.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Not derailed -- its about Grievous.

I agree that a better fight would have been cooler. I was disappointed that the fight was so brief, and Grievous lost two hands so quickly. He was definitely underused there.

But I'm not so sure Grievous was "built up" in the movie that much. All I remember anyone really saying about him is Mace: "Grievous is a coward. He'll run and hide as he always does." Or something like that. I think that captures the flavor of ROTS Grievous fairly accurately.

This opinion comes from the fact that I didn't see the CW until after ROTS.

Well I saw CW cartoon literally like 3 days before I saw RoTS. I went in thinking that grevious was the ULTIMATE bamf. Then obi-wan beats him in like 2 minutes. WHAAAAAT? In the CW cartoons he was taking on 4 jedi masters at the same time and being a super acrobat with his droid body and with lightsabers. I know that it's easier to show the jedi's/other character's power in the cartoon, but they could have tried a little more to make the grevious/obi-wan fight a little more like the obi-wan/anakin fight(which to me wasn't THAT great).

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well I saw CW cartoon literally like 3 days before I saw RoTS. I went in thinking that grevious was the ULTIMATE bamf. Then obi-wan beats him in like 2 minutes. WHAAAAAT? In the CW cartoons he was taking on 4 jedi masters at the same time and being a super acrobat with his droid body and with lightsabers. I know that it's easier to show the jedi's/other character's power in the cartoon, but they could have tried a little more to make the grevious/obi-wan fight a little more like the obi-wan/anakin fight(which to me wasn't THAT great).

I agree. Grievous was underused in that fight. But I just think that, for a Star Wars movie, he wasn't underdeveloped all that much.

I mean, let's face it, almost everyone in the Star Wars movies is underdeveloped and underused.

 

[pjam]

Well I saw CW cartoon literally like 3 days before I saw RoTS. I went in thinking that grevious was the ULTIMATE bamf. Then obi-wan beats him in like 2 minutes. WHAAAAAT? In the CW cartoons he was taking on 4 jedi masters at the same time and being a super acrobat with his droid body and with lightsabers. I know that it's easier to show the jedi's/other character's power in the cartoon, but they could have tried a little more to make the grevious/obi-wan fight a little more like the obi-wan/anakin fight(which to me wasn't THAT great).

Thing is, once you have YOUR GG, you can have/pose the nastiest drag-out battles you could possibly want... someone will definitely do a stop-motion animation GG sabre battle that makes ROTS look like weenie roast...

 

[sunohc]

techincally, he could whoop any jedi's butt.
just keep one lightsaber busy and then use his other 3 to cut down.
he was kinda stupid with his lame attacks and spin moves when he could just go crazy with all 4 haha

 

[Darth Caedus]

techincally, he could whoop any jedi's butt.
just keep one lightsaber busy and then use his other 3 to cut down.
he was kinda stupid with his lame attacks and spin moves when he could just go crazy with all 4 haha

well realistically, jedi could just use the force to dismantle his droid body, but that would be too easy. i was so hoping to see him have 3 lightsabers in the air and bouncing one one leg. but alas, only in my mind.

 

[sunohc]

well realistically, jedi could just use the force to dismantle his droid body, but that would be too easy. i was so hoping to see him have 3 lightsabers in the air and bouncing one one leg. but alas, only in my mind.

hhaha too true

and techincally, in Episode 2,
when yoda fights dooku
dooku has to run away, so he makes a pillar or something start to fall on top of obi-wan and anakin.

BUT, during that time, yoda puts his lightsaber away and focuses on using the force to move the pillar away.
during that time, the dooku could've walk over and literally taken yoda down with his lightsaber.
but insteads, he chooses to run away? even with yoda busy?

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[carbo-fation]

Sunhoc, Yoda fought Doku, not Palpatine.
I would love to buy a 12" Grievous and I hope SS will eventually make one!

 

[sunohc]

Sunhoc, Yoda fought Doku, not Palpatine.
I would love to buy a 12" Grievous and I hope SS will eventually make one!

i was watching the other fight yoda did haha, sorry bout that.
but anyways, you get the point right ;D

 

[Darth Caedus]

hhaha too true

and techincally, in Episode 2,
when yoda fights dooku
dooku has to run away, so he makes a pillar or something start to fall on top of obi-wan and anakin.

BUT, during that time, yoda puts his lightsaber away and focuses on using the force to move the pillar away.
during that time, the dooku could've walk over and literally taken yoda down with his lightsaber.
but insteads, he chooses to run away? even with yoda busy?

Then again, we are expecting a star wars movie to make sense. Which in itself, I suppose is a foolish act.

 

[gdb]

hhaha too true

and techincally, in Episode 2,
when yoda fights dooku
dooku has to run away, so he makes a pillar or something start to fall on top of obi-wan and anakin.

BUT, during that time, yoda puts his lightsaber away and focuses on using the force to move the pillar away.
during that time, the dooku could've walk over and literally taken yoda down with his lightsaber.
but insteads, he chooses to run away? even with yoda busy?

Had Dooku made a move for Yoda, he would have defended himself. Yoda's smart enough to know that he can't save the two Jedi if he, himself, is dead. The teacher and old student both knew that.

Dooku had a choice. He could fight Yoda to the death, where there was real danger that he could be destroyed, or he could continue with his mission which is to take the Death Star plans to his master and report about on the attack. In order to do that he had to distract Yoda. Which was all he was trying to do.

 

[gdb]

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Grievous claimed to be a lot of things, both in what he said and the way others spoke about him. He was set up as the ultimate badass. I don't think he delivered on the promise implied by his design or the set-up of his character. Imagine we gear up to the TPM duel, with all the removing of cloaks and lighting of sabers and chorus going wild in the background. Then Qui-Gon stabs him in the face. The end. Dissapointed much? He's multi-faceted after the fact, just like Boba. The difference is in how they were utilized in the films. I have the same issue with Dooku, and I DO blame the writer/director for these shortcomings. He should spend as much time writing as he does in pre-production.
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You're not being fair to either Grevious or Lucas. The point of Grevious isn't to be the ultimate badass, the point is to be the final lynchpin in the Seperatist army. Lucas had to build him up so that his fall would visually signify that the war can -- should -- end. And he serves as the ticking clock for Palaptine's resignation as far as the Jedi council is concerned. And yes, for dramatic reasons, he has to be built up as one bad mofo, otherwise Obi's facing him would have the dramatic tension of a day at the office.

You compare the fight to the final fight in TPM when in function it's more like the fight on Tattoine. See the thing about act three is, it's almost wall-to-wall lightsaber fighting -- we got Obi & Ani and Yoda & Palpatine and all the stops are pulled out. To build to that climax we need a different type of lightsaber fight early on, otherwise the audience would peak too soon. But you gotta get us ready for the extended fight, too. So Lucas gives us a taste, giving us different flavors. Not to satisfy our appetite, but to wet it.

The problem with Dooku that you've touched on is that he's an even bigger dupe than Grevious. Sometimes I think I would have rather been shown a stronger character there, either more tragic or more dangerous, but that wasn't his dramatic function. It wasn't his story. And just like Grevious' role was to get us ready for a half hour lightsaber battle, Dooku is there to get us ready for Vader's conflict in ESB and ROTJ.

 

[sebcanadaceo]

Regardless, I would definately buy a 12" Sideshow GG!

:emperor

 

[Puay]

Count me in. No matter whats the price, I will get one!!!

 

[PosterBoyKelly]

Count me out, but count me in for drooling over it! It'd be cool, but it just wouldn't fit in my collection. The exclusive should be a replacable fire-eyes head!

 

[Customikey]

The problem with Dooku that you've touched on is that he's an even bigger dupe than Grevious. Sometimes I think I would have rather been shown a stronger character there, either more tragic or more dangerous, but that wasn't his dramatic function. It wasn't his story. And just like Grevious' role was to get us ready for a half hour lightsaber battle, Dooku is there to get us ready for Vader's conflict in ESB and ROTJ.

I see what you're saying. Having the ROTJ fight alluded to is not as important to me as just getting the story dynamics right in THIS film. I would have preferred no GG, simply focusing on Dooku. Make Dooku the one being chased all the way to Utupau. Strengthens his character, he walks in with all the legitamacy of having whooped both Kenobi's and Anakin's butts in AOTC. Strong. It would have been much more climactic.

As to whetting our appetites, I can totally see that. I just don't think you should dissappoint me while teasing me.

He'll probably come with severed sabers as the excl.

 

[Alice Adrenochrome]

A lot of what you said reminds me of opinions of Fett after his appearance in ESB.

Of course, many years can add a lot of "development" to a character. Maybe Grievous will get his due in time.

Now that you come to mention Fett... I think Grievous is a week character, and I think the same about Fett. My opinion of course.

 

[Wor-Gar]

He'll probably come with severed sabers as the excl.

That's it! With his severed hand still attached.