Blade-of-the-Moon
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That's what I don't get...why wouldn't the same sculptor put the same level of detail into the JP piece as the Dinosauria ones ?
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Maybe with JP, the artist is confined by someone else's vision and in trying to adhere to Stan Winston's interpretation loses some of that creative freedom.
Dinosauria is pretty much a blank slate where the artist is pretty much off the leash to utilize his own ideas and creativity without worrying about screen accuracy.
Havok
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I don't even think it's about adhering to screen accuracy cause the sculpt on the JP Dio just doesn't look as good as the movie. It just looks like a lackluster effort all around. I usually don't talk bad about pieces and I don't mean to be doing it now, especially if people are happy with theirs. It just stands out so much now though with the Dinosauria pieces out.
Scar
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I'm sorry but even after being repainted, that JP Dio just looks bad compared to the Dinosauria pieces. I can see now it's not even the paint that brought it down, although it sure contributed, the sculpt just isn't good compared to the Dinosauria pieces. Maybe it's just me but that's what I noticed when I looked at those pics.
Disagree entirely. If you look at the dinos created by SWS as well as the faux bronze, the sculpt is really spot-on in terms of likeness. The true difference is that there is more untempered ferocity in the Dinosauria pieces. They aren't being confined to a PG-13 audience. Sideshow doesn't have to worry about selling toys. They don't have to be concerned about marketing lunchboxes. The number of JP electric toothbrushes adorning bathroom sinks is the least of their concerns. They have a very specific demographic in gearing an entirely original line towards a customer base, most of whom are already accustomed to SS and won't shy from gore or realism. They JP dio is meant to 1.) embody the film, 2.) showcase the grandeur of the animals, and 3.) capture the concluding scene creatively. From what I heard from Anthony Mestas, the problem occurred during production, and the paint apps, quite bluntly, failed. There's a reason behind releasing the faux bronze at all, and it was to show the naked detail of the piece, true to the SWS dinos, and devoid of the factory flaws that mired it for fans.
The T.rex pivoting in that exact manner as the "When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth" banner tumbled forth, wasn't exactly realistic, but it was cinematic. That is what the dio captures rather than the reality plausibly encapsulated by the Dinosauria pieces. It was successful in all regards as to JP, but the fight in the movie wasn't wrought with blood and gore. It was one animal tearing through two competing carnivores in order to get to a kill, but being that the gore was already pushed rather far, the filmmakers opted not to eclipse the moment with shock value. It's the very same reason Steven Spielberg excluded the scene in JAWS wherein the dying boater in the estuary is carried away by the shark, blood gushing from his mouth, as he latches onto Michael Brody and pushes him out of the way. A filmmaker needs to take into account what gore will further involve the audience, and what will divert their attention to where it needn't be. For example, at the conclusion of JP, Steven Spielberg no doubt wanted the attention to be upon the triumphant return of the T.rex one last time, as well as the harrowing escape of our main characters. Our attention was purposely directed there, rather than to have had us concerned with the innards splattering across the screen from a Velociraptor ripped in two as the Tyrannosaur flung it about. There's a reason for the gore we saw in JP, and a reason we didn't see much more. That is why the statue isn't bloodier and why it is posed the way that it is, but it is also why the SS original Dinosauria pieces can be. They aren't beholden to a film for source material and can fully capture gritty reality.
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Scar
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Bingo. There's something to be said for brevity, Kyuzo. I am indebted to you as always for summing up succinctly that which I prattle on about.
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It wasn't the same sculptor.
Blade-of-the-Moon
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But is that really a reason for the detail loss ? Look at Papo's JP pieces...their Rex and Raptors are so much more detailed than this piece and on a smaller scale.
I read somewhere that Sideshow claimed their weren't enough good images of this scene and they poor cg quality...why not keep the pose and use other images ? Or the maquettes ?
Blade-of-the-Moon
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According to Taboada , the sculptor of the Dinosauria pieces, he also did the JP one.
https://taboada.deviantart.com/art/jurassic-park-124395451
I don't want to insult anybody regarding the JP dio - but I got to tell you I had to sell mine right away because it was a shame to display it together with the Dinosauria dio, it looked ok when I first got the statue, then I saw pics of the the Dinosauria dio. That's when I opened my eyes and saw the huge dufference between the two dios, I was very disappointed in the paint and detail, yes the detail it's nothing compared to the Dinosuaria dio. Sidesow I want to congratulate you on making an awsome decision, getting rid of the JP line and focusing on the Dinosauria line. Dinosauria line gives justice. Sideshow was wise to go with their line having no restrictions, boundries and all the other dumb little things they need to worry about licensed collectibles and I'm glad becuase Dinosaura line came out better way better than I expected. Who needs JP dinos, you know what I think, they should make a movie with dinosaurs based on the Dinosuaria line sculpts. Then we will see who will be extinct.
Blade-of-the-Moon
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I wouldn't go quite that far...JP holds a special place in my heart and it would be silly to dismiss over one statue. I think the piece would have sold fine for about 100.00 or so...it's just the price tag was wrong for the quality you ended up with. I think if they had done a simple maquette..like just a running Raptor it would have been fine..then we would have had two Dinosaur lines.
Mabey you're right, I think the JP license had so many restricitons on it that SS got fed up with it and decided to do their own line. I was hoping for JP line to rock but when I saw the comparison it just made me so upset I did not want to see anymore of JP SS statues.
I still will buy a JP T-rex and a Velociraptor in a heart beat if SS makes it, but it has to be as good as the Dinosauria line.
I still will buy a JP T-rex and a Velociraptor in a heart beat if SS makes it, but it has to be as good as the Dinosauria line.
Blade-of-the-Moon
Super Freak
Same here... ;D
I've also heard that Universal wants a tiddy sum to use the JP license..I know it's put off several artists who made to do a new JP graphic novel.
I've also heard that Universal wants a tiddy sum to use the JP license..I know it's put off several artists who made to do a new JP graphic novel.
Scar
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Not necessarily true. The faux bronze and repaint in person both attest to a greater depth of detail. I love the Papo dinos and they are magnificent in their own regard, but as far as a dio that was meant to showcase the Tyrannosaur as the regal champion of the film, as well as have it appear almost effortlessly triumphant over the Velociraptors which struggle defiantly against the larger theropod, again it is a success.
SS never put off claims that there was a lack of source material. All problems occurred during production and the artisans feared it would be the death knell of JP for them... however they also found the fan disappointment a blessing in disguise for several reasons. One, they knew there was an intense interest in dinosaurs which this license announcement's initial popularity encouraged them to pursue; and two it was an excuse to pursue their own course independent of the restrictions of an extreeeeemely pricely Universal license. The JP cash cow has been milked, led to the slaughter, and marketed as ground beef, hot dogs, dog food, and glue a long time ago. JPIII perfectly represented for me that Universal had absolutely no interest in adhering to what the first two films built, and instead opted to raze that foundation for marketing it as a monster B-movie. A travesty. I mourn what has happened for two of my all-time favorite films, with the third forever tarnishing the trilogy. How I wish Steven Spielberg would have followed through with that conceptualization tossed about a few years ago to create a forth film rebooting the series as if the third had never occurred. Ah well, I suppose.
Well, much as I'd like to say otherwise, extinction is forever.
The only thing bringing these bad boys back is imagination, which thankfully SS has in spades. :chewAgain, it was financial factors that proved the larger issue. What bolstered the idea was no longer being beholden to a source material and only the organisms within that source material. Instead, now you have all prehistoric fauna at your disposal for realistic representation. It's a wise move, artistically.
It's all about the bills. Ah, the Topps comics. Still have every issue, as well as the alternative covers sent by the editor, in a drawer of my comic collection.
They're immensely entertaining reads.
dansdinosaurs
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Never heard about the graphic novel. Is it based on the film, book, or something totally original?
Now as far as rebooting the Jurassic Park franchise, I have only a two-word wish: Neil Blomkamp. And I'm not talking about some tired sequel, I mean a genuinely new vision of the original work by Crichton. You know it's only a matter of time until we see it, anyway.
Now as far as rebooting the Jurassic Park franchise, I have only a two-word wish: Neil Blomkamp.
And I'm not talking about some tired sequel, I mean a genuinely new vision of the original work by Crichton. You know it's only a matter of time until we see it, anyway.Great debate guys. Does anyone else see the irony of this thread? The original JP plot centered around showcasing resurrected dinos for profit and getting some paleontological approval despite the ethical questions involved. Things go FUBAR and the investors pull out and the venture's axed. Meanwhile the dinos thrive without further human intervention.
In our freaks world, SS took up the JP license and reproduced the dino heavies from the film to capitali$e on its huge fanbase. Protos got fanboy approval but the final product was hit or miss. Apparently their bean counters did the math and figured the licensing costs weren't worth the lackluster return on investment consequent to collector scorn for some of the pieces. Solution: drop the JP license and let the dinos thrive on their own merits. In the film the dinos grow and diversify, not unlike SS's resident artists finally left unhampered by licensing restrictions. Bit of a stretch but it does seem a microcosm of issues raised in the film but from a collectors POV.
In our freaks world, SS took up the JP license and reproduced the dino heavies from the film to capitali$e on its huge fanbase. Protos got fanboy approval but the final product was hit or miss. Apparently their bean counters did the math and figured the licensing costs weren't worth the lackluster return on investment consequent to collector scorn for some of the pieces. Solution: drop the JP license and let the dinos thrive on their own merits. In the film the dinos grow and diversify, not unlike SS's resident artists finally left unhampered by licensing restrictions. Bit of a stretch but it does seem a microcosm of issues raised in the film but from a collectors POV.
Scar
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God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaur collectibles. :chew
Scar
Super Freak
Never heard about the graphic novel. Is it based on the film, book, or something totally original?
Now as far as rebooting the Jurassic Park franchise, I have only a two-word wish: Neil Blomkamp.
Heading out to see D-9 tonight, my friend!
I tried to go to a midnight show, but the girlfriend wasn't having it. Tried to go with a friend after work yesterday, but he had a dinner party he had to attend. Thank God I made a deal with my girlfriend that if we went to dinner with her friends last night, she had to come see District 9 tonight; I didn't even add a caveat about her complaining about it. Why bother? I know she's going to love it. 
The JP comics are a lot of fun. They're not considered canon, but they're still entertaining. The concluding one-shot was nice, giving a brief prequel when the T.rex escapes and is brought in by Muldoon when Hammond arrives to inspect the island, as well as the story about Dilophosaurs running rampant through Costa Rican jungles where they have begun to nest. Fun little stories like that, and a mercenary paid to smuggle infant Velociraptors off Isla Nublar, meeting with interference from Alan and Ellie who have returned for the dismantling of the park; eventually all hell breaks loose as the Velociraptors - juveniles by the time we next see them - get loose on the cargo plane, angry, confused, and starving. I enjoy most of the stories a great deal for what they are.
I'll still say, I'm extreeeeemely skeptical about any manner of JP sequel. If the Spinosaurus is still the big bad dino, eclipsing the T.rex as a brawler, count me out. Same goes for intelligent, toothed Pteranodons capable of bearing human weight, as well as Alan Grant (whom we all know and love) blowing into a bone whistle to confuse and distract Velociraptors... no thank you.
First off, without a novel upon which to base the story could be based, I'm already skeptical. Then again, who says it needs to be wholly based on an original concept. The TLW movie omitted the Biosyn angle entirely. It's not implausible to take that route but with different key characters. Save for Lewis Dodgson. That man is far too big an ^^^^^^^ and far too entertaining in the books to omit from a proposed sequel. Give me Dodgson, Basleton, and King and we already have a reasonable film in the works. So many great scenes were omitted from the novels and could be worked into a sequel.
One thing I will say that a JP sequel needs. A dire sense of total isolation. TLW gave us an appreciation for these animals in the wild, but with an extremely large, rather coordinated team of individuals. A small group getting picked off systematically with no foreseeable way off the island, for me, provides a much better film similar to what we saw in the second half of the first JP film. That's a concept that can definitely work and would surely enjoy mass appeal.
dansdinosaurs
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It's pretty visceral, not the kind of thing I'd drag a dame out to see. Then again, I don't murder birds for fun.
Anyway, that's why I think a remake based on the original novel is inevitable. I just hope that when the time comes, they do it right.
Anyway, that's why I think a remake based on the original novel is inevitable. I just hope that when the time comes, they do it right.
Scar
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It's pretty visceral, not the kind of thing I'd drag a dame out to see. Then again, I don't murder birds for fun.
Anyway, that's why I think a remake based on the original novel is inevitable. I just hope that when the time comes, they do it right.
Just remember me at Thanksgiving! "Thank you, Scar, for this bountiful feast." It'll catch on, just wait.
Glad to hear about the film. I'm sure we'll enjoy it heartily on a number of levels. I've been steering clear of all online material, including the discussion board topic here, because I already feel like I know far too much about the film. I like to be surprised, and I'm hoping that happens tonight!
If a remake is ever planned, which I doubt, I hope the day before those plans are announced is the day that I die. That way at least I can pass as a happy man. I'd say a remake falls within the realm of abysmally unlikely, particularly considering it was a revolutionary film for box offices and CGI, a true gem for Stan the Man, and helmed by Steven Spielberg. Omission of some scenes and alteration of certain characters (both of which happen when ANY book is translated to film) doesn't justify a remake, particularly with an entire theme park revolving around the films as they stand, and I'm sure legally there is a river of restraint. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Just give me Jurassic Park on Blu-ray.
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