Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Khev]

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I think a sequel would've been good. We could've had a look at how the xenos evolve into the ones we know, and also find out about the engineers. I mean, that was the whole point of this, right? To know who the space jockeys were...

I don't think so. I think the point was to answer *some* questions about them and to allow them to be featured as characters/villains in another Alien movie. I love knowing that those derelicts on the LV planets are essentially military "houses of biohazard horrors" and that the Nostromo crew simply stumbled into the "facehugger room" when they visited one. They could have encountered any of a hundred or even thousand different bioweapons and just happened to find those.

That answers a lot while still leaving one hell of a creepy and mysterious universe IMO.

 

[Calvin Candie]

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at the end of prometheus when you see the big fat squid thing.
in the surgery room.
it should of been the alien. and there should of been a bad ass fight
scene with elizabeth and the alien.

 

[Devil_666]

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[Alex Logan]

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I think that's probably a good thing. Now the series has three good movies and can finally end on a high note. No need to repeat previous mistakes.

It had three good movies in 1992.

 

[Devil_666]

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It was never going to be with an R-Rating. Fox made that call.

300 just Sparta kicked that excuse into a well. R Rated movies can be successful if they don't suck.

Devil, have you seen it yet?

Nope, not yet.

In terms of box office numbers; as an example say a film makes $500,000,000 at the world box office; is that based on revenue from tickets sales

Yes.

and how much of that would the studio get?

It's impossible to say because all studios negotiate different splits with vendors. It's never the same. The only thing that's certain is, no studio reaps in 100% of the box office gross. So if a movie costs $100 million to make (+ the studio pumps in another $100 million for promotion) and only takes in $100 million worldwide at the box office that movie has lost money. Not only at the box office, but also with the money the studio puts up for promotion (which isn't factored in to the budget). Not to mention worldwide box office figures are gross, not net. So they still have to pay tax on the amount they actually get.

 

[Calvin Candie]

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here is my small review of prometheus.
i posted it in the rate the last movie you watched thread. and thought i would post it here to.

5/10

it wasn't bad. but it could've been better.
for a prequel it didn't answer much questions.
in fact it made questions. wasn't good character development.
and it doesn't have the intense build up of the original or the pay off.
there were some parts i liked.
the surgery scene, david was cool, and it got me ready to watch
alien and aliens again. mostly because i want to watch a
much better alien movie mostly.

 

[greygoose]

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It's impossible to say because all studios negotiate different splits with vendors. It's never the same. The only thing that's certain is, no studio reaps in 100% of the box office gross. So if a movie costs $100 million to make (+ the studio pumps in another $100 million for promotion) and only takes in $100 million worldwide at the box office that movie has lost money. Not only at the box office, but also with the money the studio puts up for promotion (which isn't factored in to the budget). Not to mention worldwide box office figures are gross, not net. So they still have to pay tax on the amount they actually get.

That kinda sucks.

I didn't realise the marketing and promotion of the film wasn't included in the budget.

 

[Viking Spawn]

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I'm disappointed this movie isn't doing better. I had high hopes for it and possibly a sequel. A sequel may still happen... But it may not be a top priority with the studios since obviously it didn't live up to its hype. I thought it was a good film.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Re: Prometheus - Spoiler thread!

at the end of prometheus when you see the big fat squid thing.
in the surgery room.
it should of been the alien. and there should of been a bad ass fight
scene with elizabeth and the alien.

Or a cool fight between an Alien and the Engineer. It would have tied the movie universe together a little more.

 

[greygoose]

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Does every film really have to have a cool fight just to make it good? There's plenty of Michael Bay films that have 'cool' fights in for you guys who want to see them.

 

[Wor-Gar]

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Thanks for the link.
Love this pic.

.....................................................

 

[Calvin Candie]

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Does every film really have to have a cool fight just to make it good? There's plenty of Michael Bay films that have 'cool' fights in for you guys who want to see them.

i mostly watch art films and movies from the 50s and up and love them.
i hate michael bay movies and dumb cgi action.
it just seems more fitting. and alien like.
to have the alien in the room at the end like that.

 

[abake]

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I don't think so. I think the point was to answer *some* questions about them and to allow them to be featured as characters/villains in another Alien movie. I love knowing that those derelicts on the LV planets are essentially military "houses of biohazard horrors" and that the Nostromo crew simply stumbled into the "facehugger room" when they visited one. They could have encountered any of a hundred or even thousand different bioweapons and just happened to find those.

That answers a lot while still leaving one hell of a creepy and mysterious universe IMO.

Point taken, but I still think it left way too many questions unanswered, and it has a cliffhanger ending...

I'm disappointed this movie isn't doing better. I had high hopes for it and possibly a sequel. A sequel may still happen... But it may not be a top priority with the studios since obviously it didn't live up to its hype. I thought it was a good film.

If it had been truly scary, like Alien, it might've stood a chance to make big bucks. But I think it's one of its main flaws: it's not really scary. It has some very tense moments, but it's not scary.

 

[CelticPredator]

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300 just Sparta kicked that excuse into a well. R Rated movies can be successful if they don't suck.

Hangover 2 made money, and it sucked.

It all depends on how it's marketed. Comedies and R-Rated action movies tend to do well. This is neither.

But we'll see. A lot of great R-Rated films have flopped, and took years to recover. So...that idea was thrown out in 1982, with The Thing.

 

[Devil_666]

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Hangover 2 made money, and it sucked.

It didn't suck to critics and all the people who spent movie to see it.

A lot of great R-Rated films have flopped, and took years to recover. So...that idea was thrown out in 1982, with The Thing.

Sorry but that idea still stands. The Thing sucked when it was released. It bombed with critics AND movie goers. Just because a movie gains a cult following later on doesn't erase that fact.

 

[jedibear]

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But we'll see. A lot of great R-Rated films have flopped, and took years to recover. So...that idea was thrown out in 1982, with The Thing.

Interesting that you mention "The Thing"...there were many moments in "Prometheus" that reminded me of the Carpenter classic...

Saw it for the 2nd time today...enjoyed it even more. A sequel might be good, but sometimes the "answers" to the questions raised in the original aren't as interesting as we'd hoped. Lets not forget how awful those "Matrix" sequels were...would've been better just imaginig Neo's subsequent adventures.

Might be the same with "Promtheus" with Lousey Lindy invovled...

 

[CelticPredator]

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The Thing is amazing.

And Hangover 2 sucked in every single way.

But still. Even if this movie was the amazing piece of cinema, it still would've done poorly due to Madagascar, and That's My Boy (despite being R-Rated, it's still Adam Sandler...)

Had Prometheus came out instead of That's My Boy, then it could've done better. Word of mouth or not. Because all it would have to fight with is Rock of ages. Which no one is going to see.

 

[Devil_666]

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I didn't realise the marketing and promotion of the film wasn't included in the budget.

Inception is a good example. The official budget for that film is listed as $160 Million. But an additional $100 million was spent just on marketing and promotion.

 

[Bardoon]

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I think the overall movie-going consensus (even from ALIEN fans) of the movie being "good but confusing and leaves a lot of questions open" is possibly scaring away some of the casual movie-goers from seeing it.

Everyone agrees it is a solid movie, but you don't know if the glass is half-full or nearly empty. I think they needed to close some gaps during it to really satisfy some movie-goers. I also think Lindelof got some LOST-itis when he was writing the script as well. Thinking he could treat the movie like an episode of LOST.

I hope FOX and Ridley Scott end up doing a sequel, but if I was the execs, I would ask that they provide a more fulfilling experience from the movie and address the plotholes from the first one as opposed to making more questions.

 

[Khev]

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A sequel might be good, but sometimes the "answers" to the questions raised in the original aren't as interesting as we'd hoped.

Are they ever? Die hard Alien fans even complained about Cameron diverging from Scott's deleted "lifecycle" scene and making the xenomorphs boring bugs, queen and all. Aliens is a brilliant film but disappointment for some/many is always inevitable as more is revealed.

A few years ago if I said, "man that Space Jockey, so full of mystery, hey have you guys every considered that the 'exoskeleton' might actually be a suit that contains a totally different looking pilot" people would have said, "whoa, maybe, who knows?"

But now that it was revealed as such suddenly there are people writing them off as unmysterious roid ragers. Its just how it goes. I think we've got enough hours of awesome "Alien series" footage with some pretty critical points finally revealed and new mysteries to ponder.