Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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The problem with Prometheus' meager box office earnings isn't because it's Rated R. It's because its reception was lukewarm. Word-of-mouth has not been good overall.

Face it, if many of us weren't as disappointed in the movie as we are, its box office prospects would have been considerably better.
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I recently saw the movie. I like it but didn't love it.

I think there has to be a sequel but not anytime soon. Maybe in 3-5 years, and by another director I assume.

One thing that I thought wasn't necessary in the movie.

I think the Fairfield zombie character wasn't necessary. Was the scene just added to kill a few nameless characters in the movie?

I don't know, I think I'm a tough critic since I'm getting old.....:dunno
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I think a lot of you that don't consider it to be on par with the original movie are being way too hard on it. Even if it isn't the masterpiece that we got in '79 at worst its a "Temple of Doom" or "Terminator 2." I would definitely say its better than T2 but its certainly no "KOTCS," "Alien:Res" or "Phantom Menace." This was a valiant effort through and through and an absolutely solid film.
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

If you completely ignore the connection to the Alien franchise..can any of you enjoy the movie? As just a random sci-fi film? Is it really this bad?

I feel like if this movie was an actual living being, you would all chase after it with pitchforks. I don't get it...as Shaw said, "Why do you hate us so much?".

I thought it was much better than District 9, which everyone seems to love around here.

I know you all don't really hate it because of the "plotholes", because there really weren't any. There were unanswered questions and the occasional screw-up that is so minute it's not even worth mentioning. Ie, Engineer/pilot chair being a bit smaller than it was in Alien. Every movie has problems like that....but why is it the end of the world with Prometheus?
 
Re: Prometheus - Spoiler thread!

This is a hilarious read from here:https://pauldurango.blogspot.com/2012/06/ridley-scott-prometheus-2012-review.html

And pretty much sums up how I feel about the movie(which I saw today)


(+) It's entertaining for sure; well paced, slick editing. Careful; it's more action than sci-fi. Once you know it you can enjoy it.
(+) Photography is decent; it's rather solid.
(+) [not observed even if I saw it in 3D] Reviewers say 3D is great in it.. was only my 3rd movie in 3D so I can't discuss this..
(+) Acting's pretty good for what they have to play.
(-) Don't sell us an Alien movie. It's even less related to Alien than any of the (atrocious) Alien vs. Predator flicks.. There's only like 4 minutes of Alien in this.
(-) Screenplay is very much action-driven (the good one, not the great one), not much sci-fi after the first 30 minutes.. sci-fi themes get dropped. Too many characters for sci-fi
(-) See below; LOTS of (not-interesting) open questions and inconsistencies..

Soooooo.... WHAT ARE THE SPACE JOCKEYS ANYWAY?

First question: why do space jockeys give coordinates to their moon to Humans? (that's not even their home planet, right?! That's a moon. On which they're experimenting some nasty stuff)
Are (fleshy) jockeys and biomechanical jockeys the same race? Several theories are circulating; one is that biomechanicals are an evolution of jockeys, an other one is that they're two co-existing races at war etc.. I guess the sequel will answer that..
Given that Prometheus' screenplay comes from Damon Lindelof, one of Lost (tv series) creator I have no doubt we'll have answers.
Or do I?
Isn't Lost the most frustating tv show ever? That translates fairly good here; it's more good than bad but very messy as the script can't hold a straight/meaningful direction for more than 15 minutes.
I think our good friend Damon will show his unique sense of adding layers and layers of nonsense/characters/sub-sub plots to Prometheus so that Prometheus 5 will bring us somehow in the late 60s California.. 'nahh.. wait! I'll make sense in #6..' Yeah, right.
Bring some real sci-fi writer if you want to do sci-fi. Hire whoever wrote 'Children of Men', 'Moon' or '12 Monkeys'.
Space jockeys have a twisted sense of humor: They always bury their humangous space ships into the ground and make them look like a cave.

If you're a space jockey and all your buddies get killed by Aliens following some crazy ass military experiments: enter a stasis pod to get some sleep and wait for rescue. Careful; you may wait 2,000 years in it.

And behold if you wake a Jockey up; you can expect him to be rather grumpy and rip your head off even if you spent 100s of hours learning his language and try to be nice.

It is pretty much evident that a space jockey head can be stimulated by shoving in a needle and applying 30 Amps. Try 40 Amps to see the head explode.

Jockeys are pretty much as dumb as humans, no need for DNA analysis to assess that; If a Jockey's mission is the destruction of an entire race, and he has several space ships at his disposal with which to carry out your mission, it's PERFECTLY OKAY for him to become obsessed with killing some random girl who may/may not have had something to do with his first ship not getting being destroyed. The Jockey doesn't care, he crushes.


SUPPORTING CHARACTERS ARE ALL DUMB
A few facts...
- On an alien planet, if your sensors say the air is breathable, take your helmet off and find out.
- If you see a creature that looks like a King Cobra about to attack, talk to it and be nice.
- The Captain who "only fly the ship" can deduce alien military applications by looking at the outside of a pyramid.
- If you see an alien worm burrowing into your eyeball, don't seek medical attention, just ignore it and hope it goes away.


WHEN NOT DUMB.. WHAT'S UP WITH CHARACTER DESIGN? .. WHAT'S UP WITH DAVID (without a doubt the most developed yet underdeveloped)

Is David Prometheus? Did he stole the "black goo thingy" to create a new breed? or to kill humans ('his' god) and become a god? Did he set the command of the alien ship to go to earth somehow? Why is it a movie with 20 characters in it when 8 would have been enough and could've been properly designed?
Hint: do the sequel with Shaw and David and that's it. 2 hours with 2 characters with flashlights on a foreign planet. Here you'll have a sci-fi flick.


THE VISUALLY SO-SO
- An alien creature the size of a cuttlefish will become as big as two elephants without food or water in a matter of hours.
- Alien control panels have boiled eggs for buttons and are controlled by flute.
=> Awful newage rubbish. Darker than 'Avatar' or 'The Fountain' but still not-needed and pretty much very ridiculous. Ridley Scott has nothing to say when he has nothing relevant to shoot. It was true 30 years ago and still is.


WHAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO DO IN 70 YEARS
- Travel through the universe way way way much faster than the speed of light using ion propelled spacecrafts. Up yours, Einstein!
- We'll be able to deduce the exact location of a planet billions of miles away by looking at some primitive cave drawings.
- Assess that a white woman who don't want to have sex with a black guy is a robot.
- When being one of the most amazing living geologist be sure to have a redneck haircut, punk tatoos, act like an _______ so everybody understands that you'll die first and be sure no to bring any orientation skills to get trapped while everybody else is safe.
- iPads are standard technology in 2094
 
Not going to get into with you again, because you refuse to accept the notion that the film has problems that it never should have had given its pedigree and the talent involved. Even some of its biggest supporters, like Celtic Predator, concede this point.

That said, most of us don't necessarily think it's bad. It's just not that good. It could/should have been a lot better.

Not surprised you think it's a better film than District 9 since you're also the same chap who thinks Kirsten Dunst is prettier than Emma Stone. :nana:
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Not going to get into with you again, because you refuse to accept the notion that the film has problems that it never should have had given its pedigree and the talent involved.

Bigger problems than TOD, T2, or ROTJ? Because those had a hell of a pedigree and talent pool as well and I think we can all agree that those were still awesome sequels in spite of their significant and sometimes shocking flaws. I think Prometheus *easily* ranks among those.
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Not going to get into with you again, because you refuse to accept the notion that the film has problems that it never should have had given its pedigree and the talent involved. Even some of its biggest supporters, like Celtic Predator, concede this point.
Really? I am simply trying to understand the overwhelming, extreme hate for the movie. There were DEFINITELY some things I didn't like about the movie..not once have I said it was flawless. Where the hell is that coming from?

Prometheus could have been so much better. And I really wanted it to be...but a bad movie?
Is this why you all hate it? Because you were expecting the second coming and won't accept anything less?
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Even if it isn't the masterpiece that we got in '79 at worst its a "Terminator 2." I would definitely say its better than T2.





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Re: Prometheus - Spoiler thread!

This is a hilarious read from here:https://pauldurango.blogspot.com/2012/06/ridley-scott-prometheus-2012-review.html

And pretty much sums up how I feel about the movie(which I saw today)


(+) It's entertaining for sure; well paced, slick editing. Careful; it's more action than sci-fi. Once you know it you can enjoy it.
(+) Photography is decent; it's rather solid.
(+) [not observed even if I saw it in 3D] Reviewers say 3D is great in it.. was only my 3rd movie in 3D so I can't discuss this..
(+) Acting's pretty good for what they have to play.
(-) Don't sell us an Alien movie. It's even less related to Alien than any of the (atrocious) Alien vs. Predator flicks.. There's only like 4 minutes of Alien in this.
(-) Screenplay is very much action-driven (the good one, not the great one), not much sci-fi after the first 30 minutes.. sci-fi themes get dropped. Too many characters for sci-fi
(-) See below; LOTS of (not-interesting) open questions and inconsistencies..

Soooooo.... WHAT ARE THE SPACE JOCKEYS ANYWAY?

First question: why do space jockeys give coordinates to their moon to Humans? (that's not even their home planet, right?! That's a moon. On which they're experimenting some nasty stuff)
Are (fleshy) jockeys and biomechanical jockeys the same race? Several theories are circulating; one is that biomechanicals are an evolution of jockeys, an other one is that they're two co-existing races at war etc.. I guess the sequel will answer that..
Given that Prometheus' screenplay comes from Damon Lindelof, one of Lost (tv series) creator I have no doubt we'll have answers.
Or do I?
Isn't Lost the most frustating tv show ever? That translates fairly good here; it's more good than bad but very messy as the script can't hold a straight/meaningful direction for more than 15 minutes.
I think our good friend Damon will show his unique sense of adding layers and layers of nonsense/characters/sub-sub plots to Prometheus so that Prometheus 5 will bring us somehow in the late 60s California.. 'nahh.. wait! I'll make sense in #6..' Yeah, right.
Bring some real sci-fi writer if you want to do sci-fi. Hire whoever wrote 'Children of Men', 'Moon' or '12 Monkeys'.
Space jockeys have a twisted sense of humor: They always bury their humangous space ships into the ground and make them look like a cave.

If you're a space jockey and all your buddies get killed by Aliens following some crazy ass military experiments: enter a stasis pod to get some sleep and wait for rescue. Careful; you may wait 2,000 years in it.

And behold if you wake a Jockey up; you can expect him to be rather grumpy and rip your head off even if you spent 100s of hours learning his language and try to be nice.

It is pretty much evident that a space jockey head can be stimulated by shoving in a needle and applying 30 Amps. Try 40 Amps to see the head explode.

Jockeys are pretty much as dumb as humans, no need for DNA analysis to assess that; If a Jockey's mission is the destruction of an entire race, and he has several space ships at his disposal with which to carry out your mission, it's PERFECTLY OKAY for him to become obsessed with killing some random girl who may/may not have had something to do with his first ship not getting being destroyed. The Jockey doesn't care, he crushes.


SUPPORTING CHARACTERS ARE ALL DUMB
A few facts...
- On an alien planet, if your sensors say the air is breathable, take your helmet off and find out.
- If you see a creature that looks like a King Cobra about to attack, talk to it and be nice.
- The Captain who "only fly the ship" can deduce alien military applications by looking at the outside of a pyramid.
- If you see an alien worm burrowing into your eyeball, don't seek medical attention, just ignore it and hope it goes away.


WHEN NOT DUMB.. WHAT'S UP WITH CHARACTER DESIGN? .. WHAT'S UP WITH DAVID (without a doubt the most developed yet underdeveloped)

Is David Prometheus? Did he stole the "black goo thingy" to create a new breed? or to kill humans ('his' god) and become a god? Did he set the command of the alien ship to go to earth somehow? Why is it a movie with 20 characters in it when 8 would have been enough and could've been properly designed?
Hint: do the sequel with Shaw and David and that's it. 2 hours with 2 characters with flashlights on a foreign planet. Here you'll have a sci-fi flick.


THE VISUALLY SO-SO
- An alien creature the size of a cuttlefish will become as big as two elephants without food or water in a matter of hours.
- Alien control panels have boiled eggs for buttons and are controlled by flute.
=> Awful newage rubbish. Darker than 'Avatar' or 'The Fountain' but still not-needed and pretty much very ridiculous. Ridley Scott has nothing to say when he has nothing relevant to shoot. It was true 30 years ago and still is.


WHAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO DO IN 70 YEARS
- Travel through the universe way way way much faster than the speed of light using ion propelled spacecrafts. Up yours, Einstein!
- We'll be able to deduce the exact location of a planet billions of miles away by looking at some primitive cave drawings.
- Assess that a white woman who don't want to have sex with a black guy is a robot.
- When being one of the most amazing living geologist be sure to have a redneck haircut, punk tatoos, act like an _______ so everybody understands that you'll die first and be sure no to bring any orientation skills to get trapped while everybody else is safe.
- iPads are standard technology in 2094

:lecture


...what he said. :wave
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

How did T2 "stomp on the source material" of the Terminator?
 
Re: Prometheus - Spoiler thread!

But, there are so many things wrong with those complaints. So many of the complaints are the guy just misunderstanding what he's seen, lacking imagination..or blowing a tiny little screw-up that almost every other movie has made completely out of proportion. :lol

I don't care if people like the movie or not, but no one is giving any real reasons as to why it was so bad.
 
Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

How did T2 "stomp on the source material" of the Terminator?

Not going to get into a big off-topic thing about it but retconning the different T-800's into all looking like Arnold, compeletely sanitizing the character (even before he met little John he still wasn't killing anyone in the biker bar), changing the tone from gritty sci-fi to preachy kid friendly popcorn movie, the T1000 traveling through time without any living tissue, etc. There are other things but like I said I don't really want to go down that road in this particular thread.
 
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