Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Never thought about it before but I'm with Badmoon on this one. If they've never encountered the Alien before they wouldn't have a name for it. Whatever xenomorph means in that movie universe, it's referenced as something they have categorized.

Could also be that it's just a vague terminology for "nasty alien of some kind" but the "bug hunt" line does make it sound like they know exactly what a xenomorph is and it's nothing to get excited about.

Granted I haven't watched Aliens in at least a year.

*gets box set off rack*.....
 
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I respectfully disagree. :lecture

"Is this going to be a stand up fight sir? Or another bug hunt?"

He is actually let down when Gorman mentions "Xenomorph". As in saying yep another weak ass battle against some stupid bugs we have dealt with before.

It is not correct in calling the Aliens Xenomorphs. It wasn't what they expected and unfortunately for Hudson he got his stand up fight.
I still don't think that's what they meant.

"Is this going to be a stand up fight sir? Or another bug hunt?"

Meaning, do we know what we're going against? Is this going to be another simple, straight-to-the-point mission?
Or are we going in blind?

As for the him being let down when Gorman says "Xenomorph"..once again, just seems like he thought they didn't really know what was going on..and it was going to be a long, drawn-out, complicated mission.

Plus, doesn't Frost even say "Excuse me sir, a..a what?" when Gorman says Xenomorph?

..then Paxton comes in with the "Yeahp, it's a bug hunt."
Like he knows it's not going to be a simple, straight-to-the-point mission..
 
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I still don't think that's what they meant.

"Is this going to be a stand up fight sir? Or another bug hunt?"

Meaning, do we know what we're going against? Is this going to be another simple, straight-to-the-point mission?
Or are we going in blind?

As for the him being let down when Gorman says "Xenomorph"..once again, just seems like he thought they didn't really know what was going on..and it was going to be a long, drawn-out, complicated mission.

Plus, doesn't Frost even say "Excuse me sir, a..a what?" when Gorman says Xenomorph?

..then Paxton comes in with the "Yeahp, it's a bug hunt."
Like he knows it's not going to be a simple, straight-to-the-point mission..


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What is interesting is that Xenomorph is never used ever again. Not in any other Alien/Aliens related film. One would think if that's what they were they would be called by that name.

One final note is this.
The attitude of the Marines was influenced by the Vietnam War; they are portrayed as cocky and confident of their inevitable victory, but when they find themselves facing a less technologically advanced but more determined enemy, the outcome is not what they expect

Marines are very cocky. Hudson wasn't affraid to face a battle. He also wasn't affraid of a long drawn out battle. In fact he was looking for one. A "stand up fight" if you will.

In todays terms a Marine told he was going out on another boring patrol would have the same reaction.
 
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They don't? I haven't watched any of the films in a while...but I thought they call it that in the message to Fiorina 161 from the Weyland-Yutani guys?

Maybe not..
 
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Gorman was just using a fancy name for "extra-terrestrial", not from earth life-form.
Xenomorph = strange shape.

Hudson: Is this gonna be a standup fight, sir, or another bughunt?
Gorman: All we know is that there's still no contact with the colony, and that a xenomorph may be involved.
Frost: Excuse me sir, a-a what?
Gorman: A xenomorph.
Hicks: It's a bughunt.

The Colonial Marines were used to killing extra-terrestrial life-forms (bugs) that threatened colonies, so they didn't see it as much of a difficult task (stand-up fight, i.e. against a worthy adversary). When Hicks says "bug-hunt", he's being dismissive, this is going to be like squashing bugs.

So in the movie xenomorph is not a term applied to this extra-terrestrial life-form in particular, but rather a term applied generically to all extra-terrestrial life-forms.
 
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Weird, never thought of them like that. Kinda ruins it for me. Always imagined the Colonial Marines just going on missions involving Humans..Never could see a creature in the Alien universe that was powerful enough to cause severe damage and kill several people, and require the Colonial Marines to come down and battle them that we know of other than Jockeys/Xenos/Predators..

Totally fine with otherworldly creatures..but nothing on Starship Trooper level..

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Uh, looking at pics from this movie..their weapons greatly resemble Pulse Rifles, and the ships greatly resemble Dropships.....

Wtf is going on...
 
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I think that's why they are so dismissive, because they seem them as something not really worthy of their efforts.

And of course Alien/Aliens influenced a lot of Sci-Fi movies that came after, although Starship Troopers is based on a novel that was written well before Alien came out if I'm not mistaken. I think it's by Joe Haldemann.

EDIT: Nope, it's by Heinlein. I think The Forever War is by Haldemann...
 
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Starship Troopers was written in the late 50's by the late great Robert Heinlein. The Verhoeven movie is fun to watch but bears only the faintest resemblance to the book.

The guys who wrote X-Men First Class are writing a script for a remake that will be truer to the book.
 
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Thank you! I don't see why that's hard to understand. I hate xenomorph. It's not a name for these aliens. Period.


Gorman was just using a fancy name for "extra-terrestrial", not from earth life-form.
Xenomorph = strange shape.



The Colonial Marines were used to killing extra-terrestrial life-forms (bugs) that threatened colonies, so they didn't see it as much of a difficult task (stand-up fight, i.e. against a worthy adversary). When Hicks says "bug-hunt", he's being dismissive, this is going to be like squashing bugs.

So in the movie xenomorph is not a term applied to this extra-terrestrial life-form in particular, but rather a term applied generically to all extra-terrestrial life-forms.
 
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Weird, never thought of them like that. Kinda ruins it for me. Always imagined the Colonial Marines just going on missions involving Humans..

They had obviously dealt with alien lifeforms before. "Arcturian ********" and all that.

Frost's response to Gorman could be written off as indignation at such an unnecessarily technical term. If non-descript aliens are "bugs" to them then "xenomorph" would come off as silly.

Imagine Gorman telling them "we're going down to rescue the ho-mo sapiens." That'd probably evoke the same response.
 
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Interestingly enough, Cameron had the CM's read Starship Troopers before filming on Aliens began.
Oh, and "Bugs" was a term used in ST as well.
 
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They had obviously dealt with alien lifeforms before. "Arcturian ********" and all that.
Always assumed the Arcturian thing was just a specific group of Humans.


@Badmoon

It's not hard to understand..that's what I was saying. That it's not a scientific name for them or anything. But I don't see any other movie calling alien creatures "Xenomorphs", so I don't understand why this is such a bad thing to call them.. How is it any different than calling the Dog Alien "Dragon", or "Bambi Burster"..Linguafoeda Acheronsis, etc..


Never knew Aliens was meant to be like this. Just takes all the fun out of the franchise knowing that it's similar to Star Wars. Hate the idea of us finding other intelligent life, or major alien threats in the franchise.. takes all the fear away from the Xenomorphs..I mean..bugs...or aliens..whatever we're calling them now.

So I guess the Jockeys aren't the first inteligent life we've come across then, huh? Since according to Frost we're out having sex with other intelligent life.. Well, that kinda ruins Prometheus too...
 
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Found this on IMDB

What was the Marines "bug hunt"? Is there a connection to Starship Troopers?

Pvt Hudson (Bill Paxton) comments about the mission being "just another bug-hunt," possibly implying that the marines have encountered alien species before, as does Pvt Frost (Ricco Ross) in the mess hall scene, when he reminisces about "Arcturian ********." Under the cockpit window of the drop ship is a picture of the marines' mascot: an eagle brandishing a machine-gun and wearing boots with the slogan, "bug stompers," which implies that such is their specialty. Elsewhere on the marines' uniforms are patches with similar images of an eagle and the slogan, "We endanger species." A "bug hunt" could also simply mean that they've been sent on several wild goose chases with no aliens to be found, which would explain their derision about it being another false alarm. James Cameron revealed on the DVD commentary that he had all the actors playing marines read Starship Troopers; this is a nod to the inspiration of that book.

However, the most likely reason is that "bug hunt" was slang for a search-and-rescue mission, which seemed a rather second-rate challenge than a "stand up fight", which, in Hudson's terms, meant being sent down to a war-ridden planet to aid in some sort of violent dispute where there will be lots of combat. When Gorman says, "All we know is there's still NO CONTACT with the colony and that a xenomorph may be involved." It meant they would be going in to look for missing colonists, to which Hicks replies, "It's a bug-hunt." which corroborates with the slang theory. Then he asks, "What exactly are we dealing with here?" to which Ripley steps in to explain the circumstances of the colonists going missing.

It is likely the marines uniform slogans about being "bug stompers" is merely coincidence (done so because of the Starship Troopers novel), as if they specialized in dealing with alien species or had been sent on wild goose chases before in regards to aliens, then they would've been a little more serious in the briefing, knowing that there have been past inquirries as to extraterrestrial existence. But they scoff at Ripley's story, just as the Company executives did, because there hadn't been anything relating to extraterrestrials recorded in "over 300 surveyed worlds". Unlike Star Wars, which has thousands of different species, this universe is portrayed as a humans-only dimension, as the concept of the original film was to depict what it would actually be like to encounter an alien.

There is also the explanation, supported by some dialogue, that the bug hunt suggest that they have to kill aliens from space (not the alien of the film). Hudson being impressed about Ripley seeing an "alien" sound like he have seen many before when the marines have been on bug hunt. The hearing commitee also comment that the Nostromo crew found something never seen before in 300 worlds making the life-cyclus of the Alien rather unique and more threatening than the other Alien-species out there in the world. To sum up: there are different alien-species in the world and the ALIEN of this film appears to be the most dangerous


And this too.


Do the aliens have an official name?

No. In most of the expanded universe, comic books, video games, and even in the Assembly cut of Alien 3, they are referred to as Xenomorphs. They are also called Xenomorphs by Lt. Gorman in the movie, but this may be a blanket term to cover any unknown alien species, since the term 'xenomorph' is derived from the Greek words "xeno" (stranger, alien, foreigner) and "morphe" (form, shape). In the expanded universe in some of the comic books, the species isalso given the name Linguafoeda acheronsis, but this has not been mentioned in any of the movies so far.
 
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Unlike Star Wars, which has thousands of different species, this universe is portrayed as a humans-only dimension, as the concept of the original film was to depict what it would actually be like to encounter an alien.
And this is a big reason why I have always loved the franchise to death.
 
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I think the fan who wrote the imdb article assuming that the marines had never encountered aliens before just didn't interpret the film correctly. Bug hunt, bug stompers, arcturian so and so, Vasquez being so casual about just needing to know where the aliens are in order to kill them, etc., all suggest that they'd come across critters before that had been no big deal to them in the past.

The lady who talked about 300 surveyed worlds was reporting that that specific alien was never recorded once, not that no aliens of any kind were ever recorded.
 
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That article is wrong too. :gah:

Gorman even says that theY have been trained to deal with such situations. They are a very tough embrace and there is nothing they can't handle. :yess:
 
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Yes. But obviously...they were not trained to fight the Aliens. As they have never ever, been encountered before, except in Alien..and maybe Prometheus.

Maybe they killed some Alien thing before. No biggie. But THE Aliens? Sorry Marines. Yer dead.
 
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I think it's hombres..not embrace..and as for them being able to handle anything...they all died.


Anyway, I forgot about these lines..

Ferro: She's supposed to be some kinda consultant. Apparently she saw an alien once.
Hudson: Whoopee-____in'-do. Hey, I'm impressed.
 
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