Once more, with feeling...NO MORE LOTR 12" figures...

[thenammagazine]

well its kinda like the "perception vs reality" thing. I'm not saying the hobbits weren't extra special and extra well done, but I think from day 1 of the product announcement the perception was that paying more than any other LOTR figure up to that point for a figure 3/4 the size was hard to swallow. then adding to that the lackluster EX items, well...they fell flat. I can't remember exactly, but I think Faramir, as much as we deride that release, sold out quicker.

Can't compare them to Faramir really. LOTR interest was peaking then, when he was released. By the time the Hobbits came along, the movies had been out on DVD for a while and interest had been weaning for quite a bit. I think the blame for the 1:6 demise lies with both SSC and the collectors who didn't stay the course.

 

[ProgMatinee]

i agree with that, but to defend 1/6th collectors (can't speak for LOTR as a whole) its hard to maintain interest considering the release rate SSC was working with at the time. 2 things I remember even as early as Aragorn and Legolas was a) announcements were few and far between and b) the delivery of product was excrutiatingly slow.

From a marketing and delivery perspective I think this line is one of the worst SSC handled, which is sad considering from a product developement and execution it was actually one of their best.

 

[thenammagazine]

i agree with that, but to defend 1/6th collectors (can't speak for LOTR as a whole) its hard to maintain interest considering the release rate SSC was working with at the time. 2 things I remember even as early as Aragorn and Legolas was a) announcements were few and far between and b) the delivery of product was excrutiatingly slow.

Agreed. That's why I said SSC has some of the blame. But flaky LOTR collectors are equally to blame. It's happening again with the PF line.

 

[ProgMatinee]

It's happening again with the PF line.

how so? i just know pfs are pretty cheap on secondary market, but they don't seem to sit too long at ssc.

 

[EVILFACE]

LOTR was a fad, that is why the sales tanked.

 

[Husker75]

LOTR was a fad, that is why the sales tanked.

You really are hilarious sometimes!

 

[thenammagazine]

how so? i just know pfs are pretty cheap on secondary market, but they don't seem to sit too long at ssc.

Do a search and you'll find the PF thread where they quoted the Q&A that states SSC won't be finishing the Fellowship in PF either. Ironically they whined about it there and a good chunk of us 1:6 enthusiasts were giving them crap for it, deservedly so.

 

[ProgMatinee]

oh. I'm guessing SSC just has no interest in doing the hobbits, right? It would be hard to imagine them never doing a Gimli or Boromir.

 

[thenammagazine]

oh. I'm guessing SSC just has no interest in doing the hobbits, right? It would be hard to imagine them never doing a Gimli or Boromir.

Or it could just be that enough people either have no interest in picking them up or are just too damn cheap to pick them up without a discount. Time lapses be what they may, the more I think about it, the more I think that if people really wanted these characters, it wouldn't matter how much time lapsed between releases. It didn't matter to me, nor a nice chunk of other freaks who wound up doing the custom Gimli. But it mattered enough to the other flakes who were either cheap or suffered from collector's ADD, and because of that, these characters are shelved. Though I'm jealous of the PF collectors as they're at least getting some kickass villains.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I think most collectors have a "what have you done lately" approach to collecting. Some people actually say, "oh, the line is done? I'm going to sell off my collection." This is because a large part of collecting involves the gratification of the pursuit and acquisition more so than the actual owning. If theres nothing to acquire going forward sometimes it seems hard to appreciate what you already got. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes.

This is also reflected in the way we post on the forum... probably 75% of all posts about a figure occur BEFORE the figure arrives. Once the figure arrives its like "next".

 

[thenammagazine]

This is also reflected in the way we post on the forum... probably 75% of all posts about a figure occur BEFORE the figure arrives. Once the figure arrives its like "next".

You clearly haven't been spending enough time in the Star Wars threads.

 

[ProgMatinee]

oh I've spent plenty of time in those threads...

how often does the Kit Fisto thread pop up?

 

[thenammagazine]

oh I've spent plenty of time in those threads...

how often does the Kit Fisto thread pop up?

How old is that figure? See, you're not playing fair. Besides, the SW line has dozens of figures to pull from, not the measly seven we got from SSC's LOTR line. Be fair. Let's look at the Vader or stormtrooper threads. Hell, even the Utapau thread. Toss that one in there. Then, in all fairness, combine them with their subsequent photo threads since that's where a hell of a lot of the conversation migrates. Then let's see how much merit your theory has.

 

[ProgMatinee]

nah i'm not going to bother arguing about this with you. but i think if not the percentage holds firm, the theory itself is sound. most people talk about the figure before it arrives. and in general each section of our forum the top threads tend to be about upcoming items. just glancing at the first page of the SW forum confirms enough for me. I don't think we need to go around and around trying to convince each other.

 

[thenammagazine]

nah i'm not going to bother arguing about this with you. but i think if not the percentage holds firm, the theory itself is sound. most people talk about the figure before it arrives. and in general each section of our forum the top threads tend to be about upcoming items. just glancing at the first page of the SW forum confirms enough for me. I don't think we need to go around and around trying to convince each other.

You're right. Because there aren't any photo threads right there on page 1 and 2...

 

[ProgMatinee]

you really want to argue don't you....LOL.

ignoring vader thread since MaulFan receiving it early complicates the statistics( and I don't have time to sort out the timing and number of posts before Vader was officially released)....admiral piett.

piett preorder thread 806 posts 22,809 views
piett photo thread 353 posts 8,302 views

roughly 70-75% action on the preorder thread.

Again, I don't want to argue about it. I can discuss it with statistics if you want to post something like that...but I can't answer sarcastic questions like your last post because I never alleged there were NONE of those threads... only that they don't dominate discussion. Even my initial % that I just off the cuffed conceided at least 25%.

And I'm open to be enlightened, but being sarcastic and cheeky rather than presenting evidence isn't going to do. If you don't care to show me the incorrectness, then lets stop now.

 

[Shropt]

you really want to argue don't you....LOL.

ignoring vader thread since MaulFan receiving it early complicates the statistics....admiral piett.

piett preorder thread 806 posts 22,809 views
piett photo thread 353 posts 8,302 views

roughly 70-75% action on the preorder thread.

Again, I don't want to argue about it. I can discuss it with statistics if you want to post something like that...but I can't answer sarcastic questions like your last post because I never alleged there were NONE of those threads... only that they don't dominate discussion. Even my initial % that I just off the cuffed conceided at least 25%.

Dammmmmnnn. You just got lawyered!

 

[thenammagazine]

And I'm open to be enlightened, but being sarcastic and cheeky rather than presenting evidence isn't going to do. If you don't care to show me the incorrectness, then lets stop now.

It's not about arguing at all. It's about your comment that most of the chatter stops once the figure's in hand. That's not the case. How many times has the Jedi Luke photo thread popped up? Additionally, you're not accounting for time. An equal time between announcement and post-receipt must take place to have accurate percentiles. Your statistics are flawed. You need to go into the threads and find out WHEN the figures were received and tally from that post to the end of the thread, then add it to the photo thread comments. Your pulling a Jordan and omitting the part that doesn't better your argument. The fact is, a good chunk of the posts in the individual "discussion" threads come after the figure is IN HAND. From that point, until the very last post in the photo thread, goes toward discussion AFTER the figures have been received, not pre-receipt as your faulty stats suggest.

And I'm willing to bet all the incessant ^^^^^ing about what Sideshow got wrong on the stormtrooper armor alone, disproves your bunk theory. That's not even including the 50+ deleted Valfar flame wars.

 

[ProgMatinee]

It's not about arguing at all. It's about your comment that most of the chatter stops once the figure's in hand. That's not the case. How many times has the Jedi Luke photo thread popped up? Additionally, your statistics are flawed. You need to go into the threads and find out WHEN the figures were received and tally from that post to the end of the thread, then add it to the photo thread comments. Your pulling a Jordan and omitting the part that doesn't better your argument. The fact is, a good chunk of the posts in the individual "discussion" threads come after the figure is IN HAND. From that point, until the very last post in the photo thread, goes toward discussion AFTER the figures have been received.

you have a good point, but since I am limited in time I picked the Piett because if you go to the Piett preorder thread you'd note that a mod actually locked it up with something like "since this is shipping now, lets lock this up and use the photo thread".

So it was really easy to draw the line. I will concede to you a large chunk of posts happen IMMEDIATELY following the release...I probably should amend my initial claim to say post first week of acquisition rather than the absolute second they receive it...but even still A LOT of discussion that occurs the first 2 weeks or so of a figure release it from people saying "can't wait til mine arrives"

I still hold firm that a very select few people actually continually share their feelings about figures after the "newness" weares off. Hence why even now in the LOTR forum there are many more recent postings about lementing the cancellation of the line than there are about any of the actual figures.

Interesting we have different perceptions of the posting habits here.

 

[The Ween]

Do a search and you'll find the PF thread where they quoted the Q&A that states SSC won't be finishing the Fellowship in PF either. Ironically they whined about it there and a good chunk of us 1:6 enthusiasts were giving them crap for it, deservedly so.

Could someone post this because I don't recall SSC saying they would never finish the Fellowship in PF.