Once Upon A Time

[gibby]

Both the beans and the tree idea came from the Blue Fairy who told Rumple that once that last bean was gone, there was no way there. Seems like a lie to me.

Let me see...

1) Emma came in the tree and she doesn't remember. This is to be expected because she was an infant in fairy tale land.

2) Pinocchio remembers.

3) The Hatter remembers.

4) Regina and Rumple remember because they made the curse.

Pretty sure only those who crossed outside the curse, or made the curse remember. Forgetting is part of the curse.

Is there anyone other characters that remember that I'm forgetting?

Not that I recall.

Just interesting that they basically are falling into similar lives in each world, and yet no one under the "curse" supposedly remembers.

Maybe the lessons are (1) you can't change your destiny, and (2) you can't change true love.

This is why I usually try not to figure things out, and just enjoy them for what they are...a story.

 

[BuffyGirl]

Great episode! Love the way everything is tying together with the wardrobe etc.

Looks like we have longer to wait before we see the context of the preview we were discussing before Buffy.

I have no clue what happened to that scene. It is baffling.

 

[BuffyGirl]

Ooh, I forgot to say that I LOVED when Snow was telling Regina how she felt sorry for her, and all that good stuff and you could see the genuine hurt in Regina. She really feels very lonely and you can tell she feels like she isn't worthy of love, but wants it so bad.

 

[Maglor]

Here are my thoughts on the bean and the wardrobe:

The fairy gave Rumple's son the bean to travel to a place without magic.

The fairy said the wardrobe would protect Emma from the curse.

I'm not sure if the fairy knew both would lead to the same place or not, thus saying once the last bean was gone there wasn't another way may not have been a lie or misleading.

Also, magic is like time travel...it can be used to "mask" plot holes down the road, lol.

Hmm, I guess. Dunno.

It can easily be summed up. The fairy is a woman so she is wrong. Nice tata's but wrong.

Not that I recall.

Just interesting that they basically are falling into similar lives in each world, and yet no one under the "curse" supposedly remembers.

Maybe the lessons are (1) you can't change your destiny, and (2) you can't change true love.

This is why I usually try not to figure things out, and just enjoy them for what they are...a story.

Did anyone else get the impression that the nunnery is full of fairies? Thought that was cute.

I have no clue what happened to that scene. It is baffling.

I think that trailer was showing bits from the last 3 episodes, so we will see that scene within 2 weeks.

Ooh, I forgot to say that I LOVED when Snow was telling Regina how she felt sorry for her, and all that good stuff and you could see the genuine hurt in Regina. She really feels very lonely and you can tell she feels like she isn't worthy of love, but wants it so bad.

Thought you might like that, but sociopaths don't want "love" the way you or I are thinking of it. The don't understand it. They cant.

She gets no pity or sympathy from me. She truly is not worthy of love. The very definition of "unloveable".

She may know fear, but never love.

 

[Maglor]

Just to future proof my take on Regina: the only way she could somehow gain a bit of sympathy from me is if she admits to being unworthy of love and says how sorry she is for all she has done (much like how Rumple has done). However, in the mind of a sociopath, they are never the one at fault for anything. If the writers give her lines like that, they will have betrayed the character that they have developed.

 

[BuffyGirl]

Just to future proof my take on Regina: the only way she could somehow gain a bit of sympathy from me is if she admits to being unworthy of love and says how sorry she is for all she has done (much like how Rumple has done). However, in the mind of a sociopath, they are never the one at fault for anything. If the writers give her lines like that, they will have betrayed the character that they have developed.

Oh don't you worry, this will never happen.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Okay, who was it that called Pinnochio? There weren't any clues were there, aside from the bad leg and that didn't become obvious until Blue said he had to stay truthful.

And if there's no magic in this world - how can he be turning back to wood?

 

[Maglor]

Okay, who was it that called Pinnochio? There weren't any clues were there, aside from the bad leg and that didn't become obvious until Blue said he had to stay truthful.

See below:

Is it possible that....

Spoiler

August could well be Pinocchio?

From the preview, that's my prediction.

Preveiw had Pinocchio in it. I figured Pinoccio's nature would somehow explain how August could come and go from Storybrook. As it turns out the reason for that was a little different though.

And if there's no magic in this world - how can he be turning back to wood?

Excellent question.

Might that have something to do with why Emma couldn't see it?

 

[gibby]

If this series is solely based on a "curse", and the paths these characters take to break that curse, then it won't make it to a 3rd season.

 

[Maglor]

^^^ I have the same thought.

 

[BuffyGirl]

Okay, who was it that called Pinnochio? There weren't any clues were there, aside from the bad leg and that didn't become obvious until Blue said he had to stay truthful.

And if there's no magic in this world - how can he be turning back to wood?

I am actually beginning to think magic MUST exist within these characters in the new world. Or well, our world. I don't see how Regina could have crushed the heart and it actually affect the Sheriff if there isn't magic. It had to carry over. At least within the characters that posses magical powers back in fairytale land.

 

[Maglor]

Yeah, forgot about the magic heart catalogue wall.

 

[BuffyGirl]

Yeah, forgot about the magic heart catalogue wall.

Yep. So, if you think about it that way, I have to now believe magic has to exist in our world. But probably to those only who had powers before.

 

[darthviper107]

Also, no one aged for like 20 years and then the clock started up when Emma arrived.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Yep. So, if you think about it that way, I have to now believe magic has to exist in our world. But probably to those only who had powers before.

Also, no one aged for like 20 years and then the clock started up when Emma arrived.

If there was magic in "our" world, shouldn't Mr Gold be using his magic everywhere???? Or maybe he wouldn't want to reveal himself.....

As for not aging for 20 years until Emma arrived, that's what I thought at the beginning of the show...especially since nobody remembers not getting older.....so do the kids that attend school never advance ???? Do they keep repeating the same grade over and over again ????

 

[darthviper107]

I don't think the show writers thought things through

 

[Maglor]

Both the beans and the tree idea came from the Blue Fairy who told Rumple that once that last bean was gone, there was no way there. Seems like a lie to me.





Let me see...


1) Emma came in the tree and she doesn't remember. This is to be expected because she was an infant in fairy tale land.

2) Pinocchio remembers.

3) The Hatter remembers.

4) Regina and Rumple remember because they made the curse.

Pretty sure only those who crossed outside the curse, or made the curse remember. Forgetting is part of the curse.

Is there anyone other characters that remember that I'm forgetting?

Not that I recall.

Can someone remind me how the Hatter got to our world? Was he part of the curse? If so, why did he remember?


Also, where did he go when he fell out the window? Is he all by himself back in Fairy Land?

 

[Maglor]

As for not aging for 20 years until Emma arrived, that's what I thought at the beginning of the show...especially since nobody remembers not getting older.....so do the kids that attend school never advance ???? Do they keep repeating the same grade over and over again ????

That's my impression. It's explained away by saying that everyone's memories are hazy. Like no one has long term memory.

 

[gibby]

Can someone remind me how the Hatter got to our world? Was he part of the curse? If so, why did he remember?

Now that you say that, did they ever show how he ended up in this world?
The last scene I recall was of him making all those hats.

Also, where did he go when he fell out the window? Is he all by himself back in Fairy Land?

I had assumed when he fell out the window he fell into his hat, and thus back into fairytale land.

 

[Maglor]

So Emma "fixed" the hat?