Plinkett's Episode 3 review!!!!!

[Khev]

You do realize that Padme WAS the reason for Anakin becoming the bad guy don't you?
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I'm aware that Anakin was willing to murder or take revenge on anyone responsible for taking something dear to him. He never loved Padme as much as his desire to keep her, otherwise he wouldn't have coldly rebuked her when she pleaded with him to urge Palpatine to end the war. It was never about her or her feelings, only that which he sought to possess for himself.

 

[Azrael23]

. He never loved Padme as much as his desire to keep her, otherwise he wouldn't have coldly rebuked her when she pleaded with him to urge Palpatine to end the war. It was never about her or her feelings, only that which he sought to possess for himself.

I can definitely see what you're saying here. Still, it makes you wonder what Padme even saw in Anakin and why a woman of her attributes and qualities would even marry a man capable of such violence and who appears to be emotionally unstable, which brings us to the conundrum that is Episode 2

 

[abake]

What, you've never seen gorgeous, intelligent women married to absolute creeps?
Happens all the time... instead of marrying me they all end-up marrying some abusive creep!

 

[Azrael23]

What, you've never seen gorgeous, intelligent women married to absolute creeps?
Happens all the time... instead of marrying me they all end-up marrying some abusive creep!

True, some of the best women are married to the worse type a men, but what I'm pointing out is the fact that there was no reason for Padme to even love Anakin, let alone marry him.

 

[automaton]

Lucas either gave us one of the worst romances committed to film, or a very uncomfortable glimpse into two immature kids mimicking what they thought love was. the latter would make complete sense… but it would also make me an idiot giving George the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Lightsaber]

Lucas either gave us one of the worst romances committed to film, or a very uncomfortable glimpse into two immature kids mimicking what they thought love was. the latter would make complete sense… but it would also make me an idiot giving George the benefit of the doubt.

George is horrible with dialog and emotion.

 

[rubio95]

Actually I think the point in the movie is that once you give in to the dark side it consumes you quickly.
Every action Anakin (sorry, Vader) takes, takes him further down the path of the dark side and basically envelops him. After deciding to become Palpatine's apprentice (after basically murdering Windu), Vader throwns himself headlong into the arms of the dark side, and it starts to govern him. He starts killing people left and right and his delusions of grandeur really take off.

It's not a delusion when overnight you essentially become the second most powerful person in the galaxy.

 

[rubio95]

What, you've never seen gorgeous, intelligent women married to absolute creeps?
Happens all the time... instead of marrying me they all end-up marrying some abusive creep!

I have never seen a former Head of State, extraordinarily educated and refined woman sacrifice her career, reputation and integrity because of a creep.

 

[abake]

Maybe she never got to live a normal intergalactic life because of her involvement in politics from such a young age. Maybe she was into dark, brooding, unstable guys because she was in an abusive relationship with her father, who knows?
Besides, she didn't sacrifice anything. She kept her career, reputation and integrity because they kept their relationship secret. Once Anakin goes really crazy she clearly says she can't be with him.
The point is, she fell in love with an unstable guy who everybody held in high esteem and who was clearly very gifted. And who also was devoted to her, a very flattering thing for any woman.

 

[rubio95]

Maybe. Considering that she died of a broken heart, having 'lost the will to live' I guess anything's possible.

 

[CelticPredator]

CelticP you seem to be oblivious to the entire concept of character motivation. Whether or not Padme was a rat who betrayed Anakin is completely irrelevant as to why he choked her. The only thing that matters is that he thought she was. You do realize he was the bad guy at that point of the movie don't you?

Yeah. Makes sense. Lets set up this whole thing about him wanting to keep Padme alive, and then ____ing choking her a minute later.

Makes perfect sense. It's like, since I want that Jason PF figure so much, i'll grab it from the mail man, and then break it right in front of him. Just like Anakin.

 

[RJMacReady16]

Padme just finished reading the Twilight Saga when she met Anakin in Ep. II.

He was dark, dreamy and effeminate like Edward. Very obvious, people.

 

[Khev]

Yeah. Makes sense. Lets set up this whole thing about him wanting to keep Padme alive, and then ____ing choking her a minute later.

Yes. Its called Tragic Irony, and is a storytelling technique that has been used for thousands of years, originally in Greek tragedies like Oedipus Rex but also quite famously in the works of Shakespeare. Google it. Its basically when a character does something that directly leads to their own destruction that is very obvious to the audience, but unbenownst to them. Anakin thought that after everything he had done for her Padme had betrayed him and conspired with Obi-Wan to have him killed. So he choked her and unknowingly at the time tragically destroyed both a faithful wife and himself.

Makes perfect sense. It's like, since I want that Jason PF figure so much, i'll grab it from the mail man, and then break it right in front of him. Just like Anakin.

Just like Anakin, and Oedipus, Romeo, Duncan from Macbeth, Othello, etc....

 

[jkno]

Padme just finished reading the Twilight Saga when she met Anakin in Ep. II.

He was dark, dreamy and effeminate like Edward. Very obvious, people.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Yes. Its called Tragic Irony, and is a storytelling technique that has been used for thousands of years, originally in Greek tragedies like Oedipus Rex but also quite famously in the works of Shakespeare. Google it.

I still don't know what's ironic about it.

-Oedipus proclaims that his father's murderer will suffer, but Oedipus is the one who killed his father. Irony, I get it.

-Romeo thinks Juliet died, so he kills himself, Juliet wakes up and sees Romeo dead, so she kills herself. Oh, bitter irony.

-Anakin joins the Dark Side to save Padme, but thinks Padme was plotting to kill him, so he tries to kill her and fails.

One of those three is not like the others. Imagine if Juliet tried to stab herself but the knife hit her ribs and got stuck and she ended up just poking herself in the chest really hard, and never died. Would that still be ironic??


Here's part of the problem. Episode 3 is so confusing that it's either rationalized as 'high drama akin to Shakespeare' or 'it's for kids, don't worry about it'. How can it be both and be neither one at the same time??

 

[Khev]

I still don't know what's ironic about it.

-Oedipus proclaims that his father's murderer will suffer, but Oedipus is the one who killed his father. Irony, I get it.

-Romeo thinks Juliet died, so he kills himself, Juliet wakes up and sees Romeo dead, so she kills herself. Oh, bitter irony.

-Anakin joins the Dark Side to save Padme, but thinks Padme was plotting to kill him, so he tries to kill her and fails.

Wow. If you believe that then the entire finale of ROTS really went over your head. Anakin absolutely killed her. "Anakin, you're breaking my heart..." then several scenes later she dies of a broken heart. The choking didn't cause her to suffocate and die, but it DID cause her to die. Hence the irony.

Here's part of the problem. Episode 3 is so confusing that it's either rationalized as 'high drama akin to Shakespeare' or 'it's for kids, don't worry about it'. How can it be both and be neither one at the same time??

I don't recall anyone saying its either of those things.

 

[tomandshell]

Dramatic irony is a disparity of awareness between actor and observer: when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or character does not, for example when a character says to another "I'll see you tomorrow!" when the audience (but not the character) knows that the character will die before morning.

Irony has to do with audience awareness and understanding. Anakin turns to the dark side to save Padme. The audience knows that this choice will destroy them both. We understand the significance and implications of his actions, while he does not. Textbook example of dramatic irony.

If the audience was not aware that Juliet was not really dead, the situation would not be ironic because we would be in the same situation as Romeo. Irony is the result of the audience having information the characters lack--the plot details cannot be considered ironic in and of themselves, the irony is created as a result of audience awareness of certain plot details that are not available to all of the characters.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Wow. If you believe that then the entire finale of ROTS really went over your head. Anakin absolutely killed her. "Anakin, you're breaking my heart..." then several scenes later she dies of a broken heart. The choking didn't cause her to suffocate and die, but it DID cause her to die. Hence the irony.

You can't die from a broken heart. You can't just lose the will to live. ROTS was stupid because you can't will yourself into dying. It doesn't work like that. Either Anakin killed her from the physical trauma of choking her or he didn't. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the birth of twins should be enough to restore the will to live inside Padme. It was a clumsy, stupid way to try and achieve "irony".

I don't recall anyone saying its either of those things.

You JUST compared the dramatic irony in ROTS to Shakespeare.

 

[Starkiller]

If you are defending the PT, cash in your SW fan card now.

 

[automaton]

if "dying of a broken heart" was a common scenario, Lucas would be considered a mass murderer.