Plinkett's Episode 3 review!!!!!

[icruise]

I think one of the biggest problems with the whole PT was the idea of clones fighting robots. Great if you want to sell video games or toys to kids, I guess. But it means that the war doesn't seem to have any real consequences, as you say. It's like that one throwaway line in ANH about the "Clone Wars" determined the entire story arc of the prequels.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Vader told the Emperor that Luke will 'join us or die'. . . and then cut off Luke's hand because he wouldn't join Vader. It just seems like Vader is an angry, angry dude who gets all "Hulk SMASH" whenever he doesn't get his way.

Vader cut off Luke's hand not becuase he was angry at not getting his way, but to disarm him and keep the battle from escalating to a point where he may have been forced to kill Luke. It's clear in that battle that Vader is having absolutely no difficulty handling Luke, and could've killed him at any point, but the struggle between the love of his son and the pull of the darkside had already started. Vader's motivation for trying to turn Luke is that he sees that as the only way of keeping him alive. Once you get to that pivotal moment in Jedi, and every other recourse has been exhausted, killing the Emperor at the cost of his own life is the only option left. The specific action of tossing the Emperor down a shaft could be decribed as an impulse, but not the motivation behind it.

That's the one thing that is believable about Anakin's turn in ROTS. It was far too rushed and clumsy in the way it was presented, but his reason for turning is purely motivated by trying to save the person closest to him from dying, which mirrored his turn away from the darkside in ROTJ for the very same reason. Had it been handled better, it would've been very poetic.

 

[icruise]

Had it been handled better, it would've been very poetic.

You can say that about a lot of things in the PT. Plinkett likes to play that clip of Lucas talking about scenes "rhyming," and I think that's pretty much what Lucas was going for. But he drastically overused it. You don't need to have everything echoing everything else. Just one or two things to give it a bit of resonance.

 

[Starkiller]

You can say that about a lot of things in the PT. Plinkett likes to play that clip of Lucas talking about scenes "rhyming," and I think that's pretty much what Lucas was going for. But he drastically overused it. You don't need to have everything echoing everything else. Just one or two things to give it a bit of resonance.

He was so concerned and obsessed with it, that he was blind to the fact that maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

The robots were not match for the Jedi. What kind of threat is that? And who cared if the droids or clones died, they were droids and clones..both made on an assembly line basically.

Like I stated before the PT started too early...TPM was a waste of a film. It would have been nice if by the third film he was already basically Vader and we got to see how the Empire started to quickly sweep throughout the galaxy.

 

[pixletwin]

When you hear what the PT was supposed to be, it really is an epic tale. That's why Plinkett doesn't want the novelizations brought into the picture because they are ultimately irrelevant to what was up on the silver screen. It was a great idea which was executed badly. The idea doesn't matter if the execution was junk.

 

[CelticPredator]

Actually, it made perfect sense to me. Anakin wanted to protect and save Padmé above all, so when confronted with the choice of either backing Windu or Palpatine he backs Palpatine because he's the one who can help him save Padmé.
After the deed he does realize he has done something terrible, but then it's too late, he feels there's no going back, so he pledges himself fully to Palpatine to save the only thing he has left: Padmé.

So why the ____ did he choke her to death? Is he mentally challanged? Or what?

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, exactly. Anakin's motives weren't established well at all. He gives into the dark side way too easily.

 

[Starkiller]

That's why 95% of fans agree his character development sucked. he was poorly written and poorly acted.

 

[pixletwin]

And the 5% who didn't are either idiots or under the age of 6.

 

[Azrael23]

Actually, it made perfect sense to me. Anakin wanted to protect and save Padmé above all, so when confronted with the choice of either backing Windu or Palpatine he backs Palpatine because he's the one who can help him save Padmé.
After the deed he does realize he has done something terrible, but then it's too late, he feels there's no going back, so he pledges himself fully to Palpatine to save the only thing he has left: Padmé.

And what made Anakin believe that he can trust the same man that
was behind other attempts on Padme's life prior? Or the man who
orchestrated the entire war, who was himself a Sith?

That was one of the major problem I had with Anakin's turn. When
Palpatine propositions him in joining him in exchange for his knowledge
to save Padme, he implies that he already knows this power, then after
Anakin changes sides, Palpatine then tells him......

"if they work together they can discover this power"

Basically Palpatine didn't already posses this ability as originally
implied. So rather than become angry over the fact that he was lied to,
Anakin commences to killing all his allies and friends on the whim of a
Sith Lord He could have faced the consequences, but instead
he threw away everything because he placed his faith in a known liar,
only to turn around and choke the hell out of his reason for turning
in the first place.

 

[icruise]

And what made Anakin believe that he can trust the same man that
was behind other attempts on Padme's life prior? Or the man who
orchestrated the entire war, who was himself a Sith?

Did Vader know about what the emperor had done with regard to Padme? I had assumed not. It's not clear whether he knew the extent to which the emperor orchestrated the war either.

 

[Azrael23]

Did Vader know about what the emperor had done with regard to Padme? I had assumed not. It's not clear whether he knew the extent to which the emperor orchestrated the war either.

He knew that there was another anonymous Sith Lord that the Jedi were looking for
and that that Sith Lord was likely pulling Dooku's leash. Dooku was also the same
one that hired Jango to kill Padme, so whether directly or indirectly Palpatine likely had a hand in that.

Why would Anakin be so ignorant as to Palpatine's involvement? everything would/should have been crystal
clear once Palptaine came clean.

 

[Khev]

So why the ____ did he choke her to death?

For the exact same reason that Harvey Keitel blew away Tim Roth at the end of Resevoir Dogs and Bill shot Beatrix in the head. Because he was a murdering *******. And murdering *******s don't take too well to having their hearts broken.

 

[abake]

For the exact same reason that Harvey Keitel blew away Tim Roth at the end of Resevoir Dogs and Bill shot Beatrix in the head. Because he was a murdering *******. And murdering *******s don't take too well to having their hearts broken.

Actually I think the point in the movie is that once you give in to the dark side it consumes you quickly.
Every action Anakin (sorry, Vader) takes, takes him further down the path of the dark side and basically envelops him. After deciding to become Palpatine's apprentice (after basically murdering Windu), Vader throwns himself headlong into the arms of the dark side, and it starts to govern him. He starts killing people left and right and his delusions of grandeur really take off.
He feels betrayed by Padmé and loses his temper, but he believes (rightly so) that he hasn't killed her.
When he wakes up in his suit, his first thought is again of Padmé, he thinks maybe after all he can still save her, only to find out that she's dead. That pushes him once again over the edge into the dark side.
It's only with Luke that the struggle starts anew, between the basic good in him and the evil that has consumed his life.

 

[abake]

According to this article, Vader had some serious issues!! Enjoy!

https://www.whas11.com/news/Darth-Vader-was-mentally-ill-researchers-say-96071514.html

Great read, thanks!

 

[Azrael23]

Actually I think the point in the movie is that once you give in to the dark side it consumes you quickly.
Every action Anakin (sorry, Vader) takes, takes him further down the path of the dark side and basically envelops him..

I don't believe its quite that simple or should be. I mean sure the darkside can probably consume someone, but it should be more of a gradual corruption.
Anakin commences on a killing spree, abandoning everything that he ever knew and believed in a matter of hours. I don't believe embracing Sith ideology
requires that you become a mass murderer at the drop of a hat, but then again Anakin had no qualms about killing women and children even before he pledged himself to
the Sith.

 

[CelticPredator]

For the exact same reason that Harvey Keitel blew away Tim Roth at the end of Resevoir Dogs and Bill shot Beatrix in the head. Because he was a murdering *******. And murdering *******s don't take too well to having their hearts broken.

That was totally different. One, was a loving wife who (pregnate too) was trying to stop him from going down a bad path. The other was a rat who betrayed them all. Not the same thing. Did Tim Roth's character deserved to die? Depends on your point of view. Do you side with the robbers? Or the cops?

In ROTS, who do you side with? A spastic psycopath who is straight up CHOKING HIS PREGANTE WIFE...? Or his wife, trying to stop him from destroying himself.

 

[Khev]

CelticP you seem to be oblivious to the entire concept of character motivation. Whether or not Padme was a rat who betrayed Anakin is completely irrelevant as to why he choked her. The only thing that matters is that he thought she was. You do realize he was the bad guy at that point of the movie don't you?

 

[KillingYouGuy]

I don't believe its quite that simple or should be. I mean sure the darkside can probably consume someone, but it should be more of a gradual corruption.
Anakin commences on a killing spree, abandoning everything that he ever knew and believed in a matter of hours. I don't believe embracing Sith ideology
requires that you become a mass murderer at the drop of a hat, but then again Anakin had no qualms about killing women and children even before he pledged himself to
the Sith.

Yep totally agree, I always thought they should have had him kill Sebulba back in the pod race to show what he would become and use more forshadowing throughout out the three films - ahhh alas it was Lucas at the helm.

 

[DiFabio]

Whether or not Padme was a rat who betrayed Anakin is completely irrelevant as to why he choked her. The only thing that matters is that he thought she was. You do realize he was the bad guy at that point of the movie don't you?

You do realize that Padme WAS the reason for Anakin becoming the bad guy don't you?

And what made Anakin believe that he can trust the same man that
was behind other attempts on Padme's life prior? Or the man who
orchestrated the entire war, who was himself a Sith?

That was one of the major problem I had with Anakin's turn. When
Palpatine propositions him in joining him in exchange for his knowledge
to save Padme, he implies that he already knows this power, then after
Anakin changes sides, Palpatine then tells him......

"if they work together they can discover this power"

Basically Palpatine didn't already posses this ability as originally
implied. So rather than become angry over the fact that he was lied to,
Anakin commences to killing all his allies and friends on the whim of a
Sith Lord He could have faced the consequences, but instead
he threw away everything because he placed his faith in a known liar,
only to turn around and choke the hell out of his reason for turning
in the first place.

^^^

THIS