Poll: P1 Predator craft scene

[LipSmack]

agreed, it was a scout ship

 

[CelticPredator]

CelticP yeh I can hear it clear as on that vid you made but for some
reason on my dvd you cant hear it.
I dont know what the ^^^^ is going on there.
Anyway I supose that ends that.
You were right.

S'all right. Crap like this happens a lot.

 

[Faken]

You're actually all wrong.... Gawd you people...

But I know you folks won't believe me so I have some proof for you. Most of you know that I am big time in to graphic design, so using some Hollywood CSI software, I have digitally enhanced the frame where the item in question is deployed. You can clearly see it is neither a pod OR scout ship:

 

[uscmhicks]

all this time the predator was just on a vacation.

 

[wax murderer]

This just keeps getting better and better.Definitely a blast from the good old days. As I recall, they touch on the whole"vacation" concept in P2("He's on safari").
By the way, Devil, just to satisfy my curiousity, how old are you? I have a theory that you can help me settle with your answer...PS

 

[Devil_666]

By the way, Devil, just to satisfy my curiousity, how old are you? I have a theory that you can help me settle with your answer...PS

I'm 32 wax. Can I ask how old you are?

 

[Karatka]

Predator and AVP are not connected.

My flabber is gasted.... the AVP ship is designed to incorporate the P1 ship, which otherwise has no size references, and this doesn't constitute a useful point in estimating the size of the ship in Predator?

Trying to keep things objective, has anyone connected with the AVP or Predator films actually said they're not meant to be linked? Again, I seem to recall Paul Anderson stating that AVP was a bridge between the two series' continuity, and the Strauses stating that Colonel Stevens in AVP-R was meant to be from the same shadow agency as Garber & Keyes in P2.

THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN: If you believe AVP and AVP:R are cannon please explain why the tagline for Predator is "Nothing like it has ever been on Earth before"!? Even Predator 2 created plot holes and that movie is a sequel and IS cannon.

Ummm... well, when they made Predator, they had no idea it would end up being a franchise that was still producing >20 years later, and ultimately it's just a poster tagline.

In any case, by your logic, Predator torpedoed itself since even within the film, Anna talks about previous Predator hunts on Earth (the "demon who makes trophies of men" line"). P2 / AVP would have been more out of continuity if they hadn't assumed previous Predator visits.

 

[Devil_666]

I've already pointed out the problem here, All of us are debating the same topic but from 2 completely different perspectives: Real Life vs. Movie Cannon.

And that just doesn't work.

Realistically AVP was made to cash-in on the 2 franchises. Period. Not much thought or effort was put in to it. The writer(s) kinda just quickly threw the 2 universes together and said "eh.. it's a monster movie, who cares about plot, story and if any of it makes sense". And ultimately.. they were right. These movies aren't works of art or cinematic masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination. Let's be serious: they're monster movies. Nothing special about them except they produced some nice monsters (and that credit goes to Giger + Stan Winston respectively). Take away the creatures and ALL the Alien/Predator films would suck.

I've already conceaded that regarding Movie Cannon I have no problem with the ship in Predator being a scout ship that fires off a "pod". Whatever. Doesn't matter to me. Scout ship/Mother ship.. who cares.

But the fact remains, from a Real Life stand point: the ship seen in the beginning of Predator is a Mother ship. That's what it was suppose to be. And the thing seen shooting off that Mother ship towards Earth was suppose to be a smaller ship as proven by the original Predator script (which shows the original ending of "HUNTER" i.e. "Predator" had Arnold's character killing the Hunter aboard HIS ship. Not "pod". SHIP.)

But people can't seperate the two (Real Life vs. Movie Cannon) so they immediately bring up AVP or something to "prove" I'm wrong. Which is fine. I just sit back and let them rant away and get upset. But I could care less since THAT'S not what I'm talking about/have been talking about. So iunno.. kinda funny. Kinda sad.

hahahahahahahaha.. classic.

"What's your name?"

"Barf."

"Your full name?"

*puffs out chest*

"Barf-olemew!"

 

[Karatka]

I've already conceaded that regarding Movie Cannon I have no problem with the ship in Predator being a scout ship that fires off a "pod". Whatever. Doesn't matter to me. Scout ship/Mother ship.. who cares.

But the fact remains, from a Real Life stand point: the ship seen in the beginning of Predator is a Mother ship. That's what it was suppose to be. And the thing seen shooting off that Mother ship towards Earth was suppose to be a smaller ship as proven by the original Predator script (which shows the original ending of "HUNTER" i.e. "Predator" had Arnold's character killing the Hunter aboard HIS ship. Not "pod". SHIP.)

That seems a rather... selective approach. Disregard information from sequels (however poorly made) in favour of a scene that was written out of the original?

Anyway, I'm very curious; is there something you've seen that identifies the size, role etc of the ship in Predator? Because when those ships appear up close in the Dark Horse comics, they're about the size of the thing in AVP-R; Airliner big rather than kilometer-long. Hardly canonical, I know, but it does suggest that it's not 'obvious' these were motherships. This doesn't preclude their having smaller, one-man craft docked, rather than the one-way 'pods' seen in AVP, if you really want to reconcile things with Hunter. But then, the Hunter was (IIRC) a psychic, shapeshifting alien with a bone harpoon, radically different to the final Predator. I can't remember if the 'Hunter' screenplay or novelization actually included a parent ship at all...

But people can't seperate the two (Real Life vs. Movie Cannon) so they immediately bring up AVP or something to "prove" I'm wrong. Which is fine. I just sit back and let them rant away and get upset. But I could care less since THAT'S not what I'm talking about/have been talking about. So iunno.. kinda funny. Kinda sad.

Actually, I'm interested in the concepts and background behind the films; hence when the question is asked, "what type of ship was this", and the only time that question was addressed was in a sequel... well, then you look to the sequel for the answer. Otherwise all you're left with is people throwing around opinions, and personally I find it a little sad when opinions get presented as fact. If there is something published about the designers' intent with the original Predator ship, I'd love to see it (and I don't mean that sarcastically).

 

[Devil_666]

Anyway, I'm very curious; is there something you've seen that identifies the size, role etc of the ship in Predator? Because when those ships appear up close in the Dark Horse comics, they're about the size of the thing in AVP-R; Airliner big rather than kilometer-long. Hardly canonical, I know, but it does suggest that it's not 'obvious' these were motherships.

Otherwise all you're left with is people throwing around opinions, and personally I find it a little sad when opinions get presented as fact.

Well that's the other problem Karatka.. people confusing the term "Mothership" and it's defintion. The term "Mothership" simply means "A vessel or aircraft that carries a smaller vessel or aircraft that operates independently from it." For instance, a jet carrying a smaller remote controlled drone that could detach from the jet and operate independantly from the jet. In that example, by defintion the jet would be considered a "Mothership".

Has nothing to do with size. That's what's so funny. Because even the people who argue what's seen shooting off from the ship is a "pod" not a smaller ship still don't understand: either way, that STILL makes that original ship by defintion a "Mothership". Like I've been saying.

 

[Zoolander]

50 votes for scout ship

 

[Elder_Predator2]

50 votes, YAY, butyou still not in chat.....

 

[Devil_666]

J0KER did you vote 3 times!? lol..

 

[Zoolander]

nope just once...but one of the votes for the mothership was made by mistake

so technically we have 51

 

[Faken]

Btw, I think both answers in the poll are wrong... The reason being is that there are actually more than just a mothership, scout and pods in the Predator universe... there are various motherships, and smaller craft, including single rider dropship scouts and pods. A scout type shuttle is what we saw in P2, and those are deployed from the side of what's called a Man'Daca vessel, which is what we see in P1 in the fly-by. The Man'Daca is a smaller vessel used by small clans and families and such, and they can deploy the shuttles for planet landings or emergency escape.

Then on top of these are the Motherships, HUGE vessels for housing many clans called Jag'D'Ja Atoll. Again, there are various sizes and designs and that's probably what we saw in AvP.

All these ships presumably have escape and drop pods of varying designs.

So, the initial poll in this thread is wrong... What we see in P1 is in fact a Man'Daca, which is neither a scout vessel or mothership, and it deploys either a pod or a single person shuttle called a Ner'Uda.

You can also check out the comics for tons of info on the ships and stuff, and you can see the P1 vessel in some scenes.

 

[Zoolander]

Btw, I think both answers in the poll are wrong... The reason being is that there are actually more than just a mothership, scout and pods in the Predator universe... there are various motherships, and smaller craft, including single rider dropship scouts and pods. A scout type shuttle is what we saw in P2, and those are deployed from the side of what's called a Man'Daca vessel, which is what we see in P1 in the fly-by. The Man'Daca is a smaller vessel used by small clans and families and such, and they can deploy the shuttles for planet landings or emergency escape.

Then on top of these are the Motherships, HUGE vessels for housing many clans called Jag'D'Ja Atoll. Again, there are various sizes and designs and that's probably what we saw in AvP.

All these ships presumably have escape and drop pods of varying designs.

So, the initial poll in this thread is wrong... What we see in P1 is in fact a Man'Daca, which is neither a scout vessel or mothership, and it deploys either a pod or a single person shuttle called a Ner'Uda.

You can also check out the comics for tons of info on the ships and stuff, and you can see the P1 vessel in some scenes.

ok what? I'm not a comic book nerd
I only go by the movies :chew

 

[-Super Hans-]

OWNED

 

[Faken]

ok what? I'm not a comic book nerd
I only go by the movies :chew

Well there is nothing in the movies to identify what's what, you have to look at additional material if you want to know what you're talking about

 

[DerMann]

I agree with Faken. I think it could be a small ship used by one clan like that seen at the end of P2. The P2 ship wasn't a scout ship was it?

 

[uscmhicks]

listen to faken. He is the man when it comes to predators .