predator 2 = wth

[dominishin]

In that case, the listing described a cell phone... he never described a figure in his listing. It was CLEARLY a BOX.

Buyers need to learn to read... especially a short description that is very clear.

 

[Devil_666]

Speaking of Judge Judy: That's what I call the chat icon on here.

 

[Rotfish]

At least that chick's daughter was hot... wait, what're we talking about again?


Now while I admit the whole issue was a bit shady, he wasn't really in the wrong. The description was like three sentences long with the words "EMPTY BOX" written in red capitals. If you can't read that short description, then you shouldn't be on feeBay forking out hundreds of dollars on a box.

There are plenty of times on eBay where a title will describe only the name of the figure, but the description may talk about something wrong with it. Perfect example: second-hand figure listings. They don't always write "damaged" or "broken" in the name; you have to read to know exactly what you're getting and what the deal is with it. And that happens most of the time; you never see an auction called "Loose HT (insert figure name here) with broken joint and glued armor L@@K!" Instead, you see "Loose HT (insert figure name here) L@@K!" with any possible breakages in the description. Duh.

What RUMADMAN did is no worse than any of those situations, so it's entirely the buyer's fault IMHO.

 

[iampoch]

all you have to do is look in this forums for sale titles. they are mostly the same way...

Could be, but the fact still remains that the title is misleading. Still, I do believe that the buyer still needs to read the description, especially if he/she is willing to fork over a huge wad of cash for an item. So while it's technically the buyer's fault for not reading, it would also be best if the titles be as close as possible to what item you're selling. If you're only selling the box, then the title should say so as well, and then use the description to state the condition of the box, etc. But the statement of "Box Only" should belong to the title, as it's the main item you're selling.

 

[RUMADMAN]

Could be, but the fact still remains that the title is misleading. Still, I do believe that the buyer still needs to read the description, especially if he/she is willing to fork over a huge wad of cash for an item.

let me guess your one of the winning bidders right??? are you from Australia?
did i miss lead you ?
are you that dumb??
can you not read English?

 

[iampoch]

let me guess your one of the winning bidders right??? are you from Australia?
did i miss lead you ?
are you that dumb??
can you not read English?

Nopes, wrong guess dude. Just saw the eBay ad from this thread. I'm from the Philippines. Unlike some eBayers, I do read the description, so even if I was actively looking for P2, I could've read the EMPTY BOX description, so that rules out your 4th and 5th question. As for your last, it'd be funny if I can't read English yet I post in English, don't you think?

However, it still doesn't dispel the fact that For Sale titles should still be as close to describing the actual item as possible. Again, it doesn't take away the fact that it was wrong for the bidders to not read the description, but that doesn't make it false that the title is misleading in itself. Someone posted as such using the eBay rulings, and that in itself means that you did break the rules.

No matter how you put it, your title, if read by itself, implies that you were selling the whole package. Yes, the description does state that you were selling the empty box, but still, the whole listing just makes baiting much more possible, intended or not. It's just the same as creating a contract but putting the gotchas in the fine print. If the buyer is diligent and reads the contract, then good for him/her. But if the buyer doesn't, then he/she is baited into something he/she went into solely on good faith. Not the best of practice, but really good and honest sellers will make sure none of their listings are misleading. Again, the fact that you cancelled the bids does say that your intention is to not mislead. All I'm saying is that it's still best practice to consider "dumb" buyers when posting on eBay instead of dealing it with "You're dumb, and it's your fault" later on. It's part of business etiquette, and is ideally followed even in simple transactions.

 

[dominishin]

The thing is, the "fine print" was very readable and not a wall of text. There isn't even a single picture of the actual figure posted, just the box and one even showing a completely EMPTY box.

 

[bizkid21]

WTH... he gotta be kidding...

 

[iampoch]

The thing is, the "fine print" was very readable and not a wall of text. There isn't even a single picture of the actual figure posted, just the box.

Fine print in any contract is also very readable. I've dealt with contracts that have them, and I never got bothered reading them. But there are those that don't, and that's lamentable.

If someone is selling a figure MISB or MIB, then there also won't be any picture of the actual item.

Also, how much of a hassle would it be to include BOX or EMPTY BOX or BOX ONLY in the title anyway? That's my point. Not all buyers read or for some unknown reason fail to understand the description, as much as not all people read the contracts or understand them. Is that wrong? YES, absolutely. What I'm only trying to say is the buyer could've lessened a lot of flak by including BOX, etc. in the title. If you, as a seller, anticipate a lot of dumb buyers/bidders (which is rife in eBay), then take an extra step in making sure your listing still caters to them. I know Rumadman isn't among these, but most likely some shady sellers used this loophole into baiting those dumb buyers into shady transactions. Which is also why eBay has this ruling:

https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/search-manipulation.html

Titles
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate. Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for. Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing. Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.


Not allowed


*

Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles
*

Incorrect or inconsistent information, for example:
o

Saying "quantity 5" in the title, but saying 1 item is for sale in the listing description
o

Selling a book about yoga and dieting, but using the title "I lost 30 pounds in 3 months"
*

Misrepresenting an item in the title or subtitle

It's not to protect intelligent buyers, it's to protect buyers dumb enough to not be able to protect themselves.

Again, I'm not taking the blame out of the buyers completely. I'm saying the seller could've done better. That's a fact.

 

[RUMADMAN]

Nopes, wrong guess dude. Just saw the eBay ad from this thread. I'm from the Philippines. Unlike some eBayers, I do read the description, so even if I was actively looking for P2, I could've read the EMPTY BOX description, so that rules out your 4th and 5th question. As for your last, it'd be funny if I can't read English yet I post in English, don't you think?

However, it still doesn't dispel the fact that For Sale titles should still be as close to describing the actual item as possible. Again, it doesn't take away the fact that it was wrong for the bidders to not read the description, but that doesn't make it false that the title is misleading in itself. Someone posted as such using the eBay rulings, and that in itself means that you did break the rules.

No matter how you put it, your title, if read by itself, implies that you were selling the whole package. Yes, the description does state that you were selling the empty box, but still, the whole listing just makes baiting much more possible, intended or not. It's just the same as creating a contract but putting the gotchas in the fine print. If the buyer is diligent and reads the contract, then good for him/her. But if the buyer doesn't, then he/she is baited into something he/she went into solely on good faith. Not the best of practice, but really good and honest sellers will make sure none of their listings are misleading. Again, the fact that you cancelled the bids does say that your intention is to not mislead. All I'm saying is that it's still best practice to consider "dumb" buyers when posting on eBay instead of dealing it with "You're dumb, and it's your fault" later on. It's part of business etiquette, and is ideally followed even in simple transactions.

how am i misleading people or baiting them??? when they are getting what is pictured?? and a simple description of the item is given...
if i were to bait some one. wouldn't that imply that i would be offering something else to the buyer which he or she is not getting?

 

[dominishin]

Fine print in any contract is also very readable. I've dealt with contracts that have them, and I never got bothered reading them. But there are those that don't, and that's lamentable.

If someone is selling a figure MISB or MIB, then there also won't be any picture of the actual item.

Also, how much of a hassle would it be to include BOX or EMPTY BOX or BOX ONLY in the title anyway? That's my point. Not all buyers read or for some unknown reason fail to understand the description, as much as not all people read the contracts or understand them. Is that wrong? YES, absolutely. What I'm only trying to say is the buyer could've lessened a lot of flak by including BOX, etc. in the title. If you, as a seller, anticipate a lot of dumb buyers/bidders (which is rife in eBay), then take an extra step in making sure your listing still caters to them. I know Rumadman isn't among these, but most likely some shady sellers used this loophole into baiting those dumb buyers into shady transactions. Which is also why eBay has this ruling:

What I meant by that is that it's the only thing in the listing to read, and it's very short/quick to the point.

And actually, the item is listed as used... and there is an image of an empty box (point I edited in my last post).

Point taken on the rest.

 

[SimFeliz]

Rumadman If you feel you didn't mislead anyone you shouldn't be so defensive. I agree the onuses is on the buyer for not reading your description. How more obvious can you get then using bold red writing, yet I do agree box still should of been in the description. To me it's like those people who have a title like "Statue not Sideshow" just so it shows up in a search for sideshow products.

Edit: I see now you do use box in the title, probably for the best.

 

[jstep13]

The title is misleading, THE AUCTION is not, the seller has done nothing wrong. If you're buying something just based off the title without reading EMPTY BOX in big red letters then you're an idiot. I cant believe people are arguing over this, must be a slow night.

 

[iampoch]

how am i misleading people or baiting them??? when they are getting what is pictured?? and a simple description of the item is given...
if i were to bait some one. wouldn't that imply that i would be offering something else to the buyer which he or she is not getting?

Bro, remember, I said you were not intentionally misleading. So that answers your last question. But the fact spoke for themselves, some of your bidders were misled by the title (not the description), which means it's happened.

Yes, it's the picture of the box, and so says in the description. But those bidders, for one reason or the other, relied on the title itself when they bid. It's a bad move for them, yes. Personally I found that dumb as well. Again, like what I kept saying is that you could've done better and avoided the flak if you just made your title accurate. As it stands, your title was incomplete, and according to eBay rulings, inaccurate.

The title was your only booboo, the rest were the bidders'. However, it's clear to everyone else who saw your listing via this thread that there's a high chance of getting a lot of confused bidders/buyers (completely unintentional on your part, but it still happened). As a seller, it's something that you should avoid.

@ jstep13:

My point exactly. Idiotic or not, though, the unfortunate truth is that it happens, so sellers should do everything they can to avoid it. It saves them a lot of hassles later on. Same reason why coffee sellers put warning labels that the item is hot on the cups. Idiotic warning, but the world is full of idiots.

 

[griffclinton]

guys thanks for the awsome read i got out of posting this thread... would really like to know if you got paid that 200$...

 

[RUMADMAN]

i luv all the attention.. keep it coming...
keep them friendship request coming as well.

 

[RUMADMAN]

man this is the first i ran into the ebay police on these boards...
arrest me iampoch
lol...

o wait arrest my ebay auction title... thats the culprit.

 

[SimFeliz]

man this is the first i ran into the ebay police on these boards...
arrest me iampoch
lol...

o wait arrest my ebay auction title... thats the culprit.

I don't think anyone is trying to be "Ebay Police" Just pointing something out. I personally don't care either way as I always read the description.

You have changed your titles, so you must of agreed it is best to mention this in the title, or you just want to avoid more _____ing at you.

 

[RUMADMAN]

i did that so this thread about me stays alive... i dont want to be forgotten..

keep talking about me people...

 

[dcflake]

https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/search-manipulation.html

Titles
Keep listing titles and subtitles clear and 100% accurate. Being honest about what you're selling helps buyers find exactly what they're looking for. Avoid giving false details just to attract people to your listing. Remember that inaccurate or misleading titles aren't allowed on eBay.


Not allowed


*

Confusing or unclear titles or subtitles
*

Incorrect or inconsistent information, for example:
o

Saying "quantity 5" in the title, but saying 1 item is for sale in the listing description
o

Selling a book about yoga and dieting, but using the title "I lost 30 pounds in 3 months"
*

Misrepresenting an item in the title or subtitle

I would think that about 90% of collectors selling stuff would infringe on those rules. I have never seen a title such as: BOX ONLY - Hot Toys Predator etc.

Also, think about all the times that sellers use other companies names in the title such as NECA or Medicom when it is just a Hot Toys figure. I know it's to improve the chance of a buyer finding it on a search but if you were knew to collecting you could get screwed with a NECA figure just because it had Hot Toys in title and didn't read the item description. You have to read carefully is the bottom line this stuff happens all the time and you can't persecute one single person for a trend which is wide spread on ebay.