Predator 5 - Prey (2022)

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I watched this last night finally, I went in with very high expectations having heard so many good things, and that may have been a bad thing. I enjoyed it over all, but it wasn't anything incredible. It easily sits as the 4th best after Predator, Predator 2 and Predators. I liked the time line, I liked some of the build up, loved the dog! But some of the dialogue was pretty poor as was much of the CGI which was very much over used, clashing with the setting.

The actual Predator itself looks okay with it's mask on, but has an absolutely hideous looking unmasked head, he makes the "Super Predators" faces look almost good in comparison. We're not talking AVP bad, but not far off. He also doesn't act like a Predator at all, he just kind of walks right up to his victim head on, regardless of whether they're pointing a gun at his face or not, it had none of the tact that we saw from the City & Jungle hunters etc. I get that he's more animalistic, but then he may as well be from a different race entirely if you're going to change his look and his actions so drastically. He probably wouldn't have lasted long against Dutch and his team with those tactics. He also seemed to rely entirely on his mask, it left me wondering how his subspecies ever evolved to the position to acquire or create such tech in the first place.

I don't now, maybe I'll watch it again without those expectations. But it was okay, just not quite the masterpiece we have been hearing it is.

"Masterpiece", in this sense, is a relative term. Compared to any other Predator movie it is. But no Predator movie compares to Alien, for example, which is a masterpiece in the broader sense.
 
He also doesn't act like a Predator at all, he just kind of walks right up to his victim head on, regardless of whether they're pointing a gun at his face or not, it had none of the tact that we saw from the City & Jungle hunters etc. I get that he's more animalistic, but then he may as well be from a different race entirely if you're going to change his look and his actions so drastically.
Yeah, I had mixed feelings on this. The way he jumps around the trees is great, but the way he handles weapons and combat feels too human. The little twirls he does with his spears as he approaches people are reminiscent of something you'd see in The Northman.

Compare that to KPH's performances, where even throwing a punch seemed unnatural to the creature (referring to the scene where Dutch punches him in the face, he pauses for a moment and then responds the same way). Or the gestural, analytical way KPH moved his fingers as he reached for things as if he was figuring out the world around him through touch. None of that really happens in Prey. The Feral Predator feels too comfortable in its skin, too relatable in its movements.

The coolest thing about the personality of the first two Predators is that you don't quite know what they're thinking, but you know they're smart. Those beady eyes are human enough to suggest intelligence, but the way the creature behaves throws you for a loop. It's the opposite in Prey: the Predator looks like a wild animal, yet acts like a martial artist.
 
Yeah, I had mixed feelings on this. The way he jumps around the trees is great, but the way he handles weapons and combat feels too human. The little twirls he does with his spears as he approaches people are reminiscent of something you'd see in The Northman.

Compare that to KPH's performances, where even throwing a punch seemed unnatural to the creature (referring to the scene where Dutch punches him in the face, he pauses for a moment and then responds the same way). Or the gestural, analytical way KPH moved his fingers as he reached for things as if he was figuring out the world around him through touch. None of that really happens in Prey. The Feral Predator feels too comfortable in its skin, too relatable in its movements.

The coolest thing about the personality of the first two Predators is that you don't quite know what they're thinking, but you know they're smart. Those beady eyes are human enough to suggest intelligence, but the way the creature behaves throws you for a loop. It's the opposite in Prey: the Predator looks like a wild animal, yet acts like a martial artist.
Well said.

Drop Wolf in this film and it's an instant improvement regarding the Predator portrayal. 👀
 
Today I was greeted with a youtube video of an out of shape man bitching and moaning that he can't buy a woman can beat the predator and that she was a Mary Sue that was better than everyone when the movie made a point of showing she was stubborn and outclassed by several others in her tribe including her brother, a ton of dudes in the comments agreed without even watching the movie, this generation of "men" is absolutely ruined they love to put Ripley and Sarah Connor on pedestals but if those movies were released today they would've bitched about them being too woke and the female protagonists being Mary Sues as well, they're so brainwashed into thinking everything is woke that they can't enjoy anything anymore I hope one day they get tired of being miserable and learn to enjoy things again like normal people.


Wokeness is current Hollywood is a legitimate problem. Because it's not absolutely everywhere is not proof that it's nowhere. Because it's far more than just a few isolated situations. In the end, money talks. If you keep alienating more than half your potential audience, then you as the actor or group of actors or show runner or writers or whatever are no longer "bankable" Then no studio wants to hear your ideas and no investor wants to touch you with a thousand foot pole. But it's not just that is it? While they are sinking the ship, they are dragging down many long standing and many long beloved IPs. Many things that many people loved as kids is being set on fire for this wokeness.

No one is "brainwashed", there is a clear problem. Just because a few Internet "pundits" have monetized talking about being anti-woke does not remove their ability to have a point. I'm weary of this "If you can't prove you are right about every single thing immediatley all the time, then nothing you say has merit at all" attitude that is so pervasive in modern culture.

Could old guard Hollywood use some cleaning up? Yes, probably so. Is Hollywood unfair to most of the people working in it? I don't think anyone will deny that. But if you make a bad product and you keep attacking a large cross section of your audience, that's just bad business.

I'm not going to pretend every last single thing in modern Hollywood is woke ( Terminal List and Top Gun Maverick made it a point to avoid it ) But I'm also not going to pretend that there hasn't been a long standing problem apparent for at least a decade now, probably longer.

Do you remember Justified? It explains why many in the mainstream audience have learned to brace themselves for the next piece of woke aimed at them.

Art Mullen:
I got a call this morning from AUSA David Vasquez. Wants to talk to you about you shooting Boyd Crowder.

Raylan Givens:
What's there to talk about? He pulled first. There was a witness.

Art Mullen:
But you see, ten days ago you shot a man in Miami. Put it like this: you were in the first grade; bit a kid every week? They'd start to think of you as a biter.



Hollywood fears wokeness will kill it: PETER KIEFER & PETER SAVODNIK

By Peter Kiefer And Peter Savodnik For Dailymail.Com 05:43 EDT, 12 January 2022


So, in September 2020, the Academy launched its Representation and Inclusion Standards Entry platform (or RAISE). For a movie to qualify for Best Picture, producers not only had to register detailed personal information about everyone involved in the making of that movie, but the movie had to meet two of the Academy's four diversity standards—touching on everything from on-screen representation to creative leadership. (An Academy spokesperson said 'only select staff' would have access to data collected on the platform.)

The Academy explained that movies failing to meet these standards would not be barred from qualifying for Best Picture until 2024. But producers are already complying: In 2020, data from 366 productions were submitted to the platform. Meanwhile, CBS mandated that writers' rooms be at least 40 percent black, indigenous and people of color (or BIPOC) for the 2021-2022 broadcast season and 50 percent for the 2022-2023 season. ABC Entertainment issued a detailed series of 'inclusion standards.' ('I guarantee you every studio has something like that,' a longtime writer and director said.)

To help producers meet the new standards, the filmmaker Ava DuVernay—who was recently added to Forbes' list of 'The Most Powerful Women in Entertainment' along with Oprah Winfrey and Taylor Swift—last year created ARRAY Crew, a database of women, people of color, and others from underrepresented groups who work on day-to-day production: line producers, camera operators, art directors, sound mixers and so on.

The Hollywood Reporter declared that ARRAY Crew has 'fundamentally changed how Hollywood productions will be staffed going forward.' More than 900 productions, including 'Yellowstone' and 'Mare of Easttown,' have used ARRAY Crew, said Jeffrey Tobler, the chief marketing officer of ARRAY, DuVernay's production company. Privately, directors and writers voiced irritation with DuVernay..... But no one dared to criticize her openly. 'I'm not crazy,' one screenwriter said.

But the result has not just been a demographic change. It has been an ideological and cultural transformation. We spoke to more than 25 writers, directors, and producers—all of whom identify as liberal, and all of whom described a pervasive fear of running afoul of the new dogma. This was the case not just among the high command at companies like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, but at every level of production.

'Best way to defend yourself against the woke is to out-woke everyone, including the woke,' one writer said.

Suddenly, every conversation with every agent or head of content started with: Is anyone BIPOC attached to this?

'Everyone has gone so underground with their true feelings about things,' said Mike White, the writer and director behind the hit HBO comedy-drama 'The White Lotus.' 'If you voice things in a certain way it can really have negative repercussions for you, and people can presume that you could be racist, or you could be seen as misogynist.'

Howard Koch, who has been involved in the production of more than 60 movies, including such classics as 'Chinatown' and 'Marathon Man,' and is the former president of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts & Sciences, said: 'I'm all for LGBT and Native Americans, blacks, females, whatever minorities that have not been served correctly in the making of content, whether it's television or movies or whatever, but I think it's gone too far. I know a lot of very talented people that can't get work because they're not black, Native American, female or LGBTQ.'

Another writer, who, like most of the writers we interviewed, was afraid to speak openly for fear of never working again, said: 'I get so paranoid about even phone calls. It's so scary. My close friends and my family are just like, 'Don't say anything.' It is one of those things, 'Will I be able to sleep at night if I say anything?' Getting jobs in this town is so hard, and I'm very grateful to have a great job. If there's any so-called ding on my record, that would just be an argument against hiring me.'

It is, said Sam Wasson, the author of 'The Big Goodbye: Chinatown and the Last Years of Hollywood,' not so different from the McCarthy era, when everyone in Hollywood professed to believe something that they thought everyone outside Hollywood—the country, their audience—believed. 'Hollywood was never anti-Communist,' Wasson said. 'It just pretended to be. In fact, Hollywood was never anti- or pro- anything. It was show business. There's no morality here.'

CBS mandated that writers' rooms be at least 40 percent black, indigenous and people of color (or BIPOC) for the 2021-2022 broadcast season and 50 percent for the 2022-2023 season. One showrunner, afraid to send his emails to us out of fear of them accidentally winding up on the wrong screen, agreed to show us correspondence with agents, writers, and studio chiefs that capture the new thinking at the highest levels of the Hollywood food chain.

'This one a dead end — they are going to limit search to women and bipoc candidates'

'How tied to hiring him are you? There are some internally that don't like the idea of hiring a white guy. I wish I had a better way to frame it. Hate this ****.'

'Studio now telling us this job must go to a female / bipoc writer. Sorry — it sucks'

When we wrapped up, the showrunner said: 'This is all going to end in a giant class-action lawsuit.'

'HI AGENTS AND MANAGERS of white folks in this industry,' the actor and director Natalie Morales tweeted in November. 'For f---ks sake, please stop blaming 'diversity hires' for why your client isn't getting a job. It's either that you're not working hard enough or that they're not good enough. Be honest with them. You are harming us.'

Rochée Jeffrey, a black writer on 'Grownish,' 'Santa Inc.,' and 'Woke,' said: 'I don't care if white people aren't comfortable because black people are uncomfortable all the f-----king time. I can't tell you how many times I've had to bite my tongue so as not to offend white sensibilities, so I don't give a **** if they're nervous.'

The showrunner said that the new politics is making it hard to get work done. Another showrunner in his mid-fifties (white, male, unfortunately) said: 'You're not allowed to pick your staff anymore, and studios won't let you interview anybody who isn't a person of color.' He added that the culture of documenting even the slightest of slights makes him anxious. 'I'm sitting in a room trying to run a show with a collection of people I don't totally trust.'

The politicization of content production, creatives said, was going to be the industry's death knell. 'Especially this past year, ideology has become more important than art,' Quentin Tarantino said in June on Bill Maher's show. 'It's like ideology trumps art. Ideology trumps individual effort. Ideology trumps good.'

They were scared of what was happening. The fear, one prominent director said in an email, is 'the audience stops trusting us. They begin to see us as a community twisting ourselves into a pretzel to make every movie as woke as possible, every relationship mixed racially, every character sexually fluid, and they decide that we are telling stories set in a fantasyland instead of a world they know and live in. If that happens, and they decide to throw themselves instead into video games 24/7, we will lose them.'
 
I liked the design I don’t understand the hatred for it.
I dont hate it...But unlike other predators if you cover up a part of it or put a blank circle right in the middle of its face (Like a play button) you can't tell its a predator. I can see how some would love that it looks a lot different but Its a bit too insect looking for my taste. I love it with its helmet on though.
 
Wokeness is current Hollywood is a legitimate problem. Because it's not absolutely everywhere is not proof that it's nowhere. Because it's far more than just a few isolated situations. In the end, money talks. If you keep alienating more than half your potential audience, then you as the actor or group of actors or show runner or writers or whatever are no longer "bankable" Then no studio wants to hear your ideas and no investor wants to touch you with a thousand foot pole. But it's not just that is it? While they are sinking the ship, they are dragging down many long standing and many long beloved IPs. Many things that many people loved as kids is being set on fire for this wokeness.

No one is "brainwashed", there is a clear problem. Just because a few Internet "pundits" have monetized talking about being anti-woke does not remove their ability to have a point. I'm weary of this "If you can't prove you are right about every single thing immediatley all the time, then nothing you say has merit at all" attitude that is so pervasive in modern culture.

Could old guard Hollywood use some cleaning up? Yes, probably so. Is Hollywood unfair to most of the people working in it? I don't think anyone will deny that. But if you make a bad product and you keep attacking a large cross section of your audience, that's just bad business.

I'm not going to pretend every last single thing in modern Hollywood is woke ( Terminal List and Top Gun Maverick made it a point to avoid it ) But I'm also not going to pretend that there hasn't been a long standing problem apparent for at least a decade now, probably longer.

Do you remember Justified? It explains why many in the mainstream audience have learned to brace themselves for the next piece of woke aimed at them.

Art Mullen:
I got a call this morning from AUSA David Vasquez. Wants to talk to you about you shooting Boyd Crowder.

Raylan Givens:

What's there to talk about? He pulled first. There was a witness.

Art Mullen:
But you see, ten days ago you shot a man in Miami. Put it like this: you were in the first grade; bit a kid every week? They'd start to think of you as a biter.



Hollywood fears wokeness will kill it: PETER KIEFER & PETER SAVODNIK
I'm not denying there is a "woke" problem with Hollywood and other forms of entertainment, I hate virtue signaling and bending down to small but vocal groups because of it but I also equally hate the people, mostly guys, that think anything that doesn't align with their own views in life is woke.

A lot of people are saying this movie has a female protagonist that beats the predator because it's pushing a "woke agenda" and it's honestly pathetic, tons of them won't even give the movie a chance because some dude on youtube told them "women bad" because the're miserable human beings that ironically enough have been brainwahsed into following an ideology just like the people they criticize folow one as well, the politically derived discourse sorrounding entertainment has become incredibly tiresome from both sides.

Anyway the movie was great and I just want to see more Predator stories in other time periods or a sequel with Naru, I hope the director and creative minds behind Prey can keep it up and even improve in future installments, there's tons of potential in that "Predator in feudal Japan" idea I've seen thrown around, as long as they give us an enjoyable story with a hunter vs hunter theme I don't care if the lead is a woman, man, or whatever, just give us some more Predator goodness.
 
Yeah, I had mixed feelings on this. The way he jumps around the trees is great, but the way he handles weapons and combat feels too human. The little twirls he does with his spears as he approaches people are reminiscent of something you'd see in The Northman.

Compare that to KPH's performances, where even throwing a punch seemed unnatural to the creature (referring to the scene where Dutch punches him in the face, he pauses for a moment and then responds the same way). Or the gestural, analytical way KPH moved his fingers as he reached for things as if he was figuring out the world around him through touch. None of that really happens in Prey. The Feral Predator feels too comfortable in its skin, too relatable in its movements.

The coolest thing about the personality of the first two Predators is that you don't quite know what they're thinking, but you know they're smart. Those beady eyes are human enough to suggest intelligence, but the way the creature behaves throws you for a loop. It's the opposite in Prey: the Predator looks like a wild animal, yet acts like a martial artist.
I agree with this even if I enjoyed this Predator a lot, I chuckled when he audibly sighed after he chopped his own arm off. :lol
 
I wonder if then I just can’t get past like the horrendously CGIed animals that made this feel like the live action Jungle Book and the completely terrible dialogue and performances are what’s keeping me scratching my head as to the favorable response becusse I just can’t look past it,

The way that the natives were speaking so fluent English and in a very modern slang way albeit but still speaking their native tongue in some scenes, it just comes off lazy and cheesy to me. I can’t get past it.

As to the feedback that it’s not believable a warrior woman can kill a predator yet they still speak highly of predator 2 which if you strip nostalgia away is such a bad film… and weakling cop Danny Glover bests a predator to death with his bare hands. Anyways people need to get their minds checked and I couldn’t see the push back on that being anything other than misogynistic .
 
I watched this with my wife last night. I enjoyed every minute of it. The cinematography was great and really gives this film a distinct look compared to what came before it. The environment was a character of its own IMO.

I like how the Predator and Saru mirrored each other here. Both were on trial as new hunters. One hunted for sport, the other hunted to survive.

The movie spent just enough time to develop Naru, Taabe and Sarii. I really end up caring for these three. Naru had to earn her win here. You can see her practicing for the hunt, improving her weapons and her skills. She wasn't perfect, but she was smart and learned from her mistakes. This proved to be instrumental to her final fight later on.

The Yautja here looked more savage than the previous Yautja shown. It looked faster and more agile too and the way it dispatched its prey was swift and ruthless when it wasn't toying with it. The helmet, its clothing and weaponry felt more primitive than those shown in later films.

I'm not that big of a fan of the redesigned face though. I wish they stuck closer to the original look of the Yautja to give the film a better connection to the other Predator movies.
 
Any excuse for him to say 'tHe mESsaGe!!' I'd rather listen to Justin's catch phrases all day.

I generally agree with the guy but rarely do I see YouTubers that opinionated ever change their tune so I’m sure he’ll double down on the hate.

All I know is that I need a Behind the Scenes special on this and a 4K Steelbook Blu-ray for the collection.
 
I dont hate it...But unlike other predators if you cover up a part of it or put a blank circle right in the middle of its face (Like a play button) you can't tell its a predator. I can see how some would love that it looks a lot different but Its a bit too insect looking for my taste. I love it with its helmet on though.
Oh definitely helmet on is much cooler.
 
Today I was greeted with a youtube video of an out of shape man bitching and moaning that he can't buy a woman can beat the predator and that she was a Mary Sue that was better than everyone when the movie made a point of showing she was stubborn and outclassed by several others in her tribe including her brother, a ton of dudes in the comments agreed without even watching the movie, this generation of "men" is absolutely ruined they love to put Ripley and Sarah Connor on pedestals but if those movies were released today they would've bitched about them being too woke and the female protagonists being Mary Sues as well, they're so brainwashed into thinking everything is woke that they can't enjoy anything anymore I hope one day they get tired of being miserable and learn to enjoy things again like normal people.


Was this guy a UK "heel" perchance?

I used to like him, but along with the mob he associates with, they have become negative just for the sake of being negative They have decided that's their "play" and audience, so that's who they pander to - "angry old men" who have thrown honest opinion out of the window for the sake of money.

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I watched this last night finally, I went in with very high expectations having heard so many good things, and that may have been a bad thing. I enjoyed it over all, but it wasn't anything incredible. It easily sits as the 4th best after Predator, Predator 2 and Predators. I liked the time line, I liked some of the build up, loved the dog! But some of the dialogue was pretty poor as was much of the CGI which was very much over used, clashing with the setting.

The actual Predator itself looks okay with it's mask on, but has an absolutely hideous looking unmasked head, he makes the "Super Predators" faces look almost good in comparison. We're not talking AVP bad, but not far off. He also doesn't act like a Predator at all, he just kind of walks right up to his victim head on, regardless of whether they're pointing a gun at his face or not, it had none of the tact that we saw from the City & Jungle hunters etc. I get that he's more animalistic, but then he may as well be from a different race entirely if you're going to change his look and his actions so drastically. He probably wouldn't have lasted long against Dutch and his team with those tactics. He also seemed to rely entirely on his mask, it left me wondering how his subspecies ever evolved to the position to acquire or create such tech in the first place.

I don't now, maybe I'll watch it again without those expectations. But it was okay, just not quite the masterpiece we have been hearing it is.

Yeah - we have to be fair here. I think the early reviewers were so relieved watching this after the debacle that was "The Predator" that they got a little excited and over-enthusiastic.

As I posted earlier though - so glad this was made - a nice little entry that I think will always be remembered fondly, even if it's not up there with the 3 you mentioned.

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Predator vs Samurais

Predator vs Pirates

Predator vs WWI soldiers

Predator vs Nazis

There's only one guy that can take multiple predators and make them look like the prey. They won't see him coming.


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Predators vs Chris Hansen

What might be jarring is Midthunder is too attractive the way the production did her hair and makeup and such.

This is one thing I thought too. She and her brother looked too prettied up for the role.
 
Well said.

Drop Wolf in this film and it's an instant improvement regarding the Predator portrayal. 👀

I read that as "Worf" the first time.

He's like an evolved Predator...

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..and I was thinking what he might look like morphed into a Predator, before realising that actually happened in ST:TNG "Genesis"...

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There were definitely some moments where she's a little too proficient, but I think ultimately its a minor nitpick in what is a pretty solid film. I think it maybe still ranks a bit behind "Predators" for me, but its close. I liked it enough that im intrigued to check out the commanche dub at some point.
 
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