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My reading of that was that David had somehow "imprinted" himself (itself?) on the xenomorphs. The way he soothed the neomorph and his "he trusted me!" outburst point to him having some connection with them.
Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Covenant)
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My reading of that was that David had somehow "imprinted" himself (itself?) on the xenomorphs. The way he soothed the neomorph and his "he trusted me!" outburst point to him having some connection with them.
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Excerpt from script of next movie:
David: Ive been present for the birth of every little creature on this ship
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That's what I had surmised, and I personally like that an Android created the Biomechanical beast!
You cant even blame david... you find this extremely weird interesting goo that transforms live beings,
You learn to manipulate it and start to understand how it works....
And you finally end up creating this weird amazing looking new creature from scratch....
He literally does create new life... i mean, he did make the neomorph. To us these movies are horror because of what happens to the humans, but if you see it from his point of view. How can he NOT do what he did.
You learn to manipulate it and start to understand how it works....
And you finally end up creating this weird amazing looking new creature from scratch....
He literally does create new life... i mean, he did make the neomorph. To us these movies are horror because of what happens to the humans, but if you see it from his point of view. How can he NOT do what he did.
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You'd think that with a cargo of 2,000 sleeping colonists that they'd have more people they could wake up in a moment of crisis, especially if all they have to do is put them right back to sleep when the crisis is over. Some sort of security team better trained to deal with hostile situations than the drivers of the cargo ship and their spouses. At least they could have added a line mentioning that said security team was part of the 47 colonists that were lost or something.
That being said for every lazy or stupid plot contrivance I keep finding other aspects of the movie that I think are cool or fascinating.
One thing about Xenomorphs as a bioweapon that has always been suspect is the fact that they are every bit as lethal and uncontrollable to those who wield them as they are to those they are unleashed upon. You'd have to be downright suicidal or at the very least profoundly idiotic to ever employ them. Unless you are the one thing they'll never mess with, a non-living entity. I have to say that's pretty freaking cool. That's why they are the perfect killing machines. They have absolutely no safeguards that a "living" handler could ever exploit in order to control or defeat them.
That being said for every lazy or stupid plot contrivance I keep finding other aspects of the movie that I think are cool or fascinating.
One thing about Xenomorphs as a bioweapon that has always been suspect is the fact that they are every bit as lethal and uncontrollable to those who wield them as they are to those they are unleashed upon. You'd have to be downright suicidal or at the very least profoundly idiotic to ever employ them. Unless you are the one thing they'll never mess with, a non-living entity. I have to say that's pretty freaking cool. That's why they are the perfect killing machines. They have absolutely no safeguards that a "living" handler could ever exploit in order to control or defeat them.
Nuclear weapons will destroy the world for everybody.
The planet will suffer entirely if countries go at it, only people in bunkers will live.
You could say that the xenos represent our own ability to self destruct and to not care of consequences.
The xenos as a weapon can be a look at us dealing with nuclear destruction and even nuclear energy. Look at what happens when they fail.
Wow, this movie got so much deeper.... wtf i love covenant now
Except under no circumstances can one nuclear bomb wipe out an entire planet. A single Queen or even facehugger can.
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Oh man that is such an awesome post lol
I wish a Predator was in this film and cut David's freakin head off and smash it
[/QUOTE]The fact that Scott has turned one of the coolest, mysterious species ever in Sci-fi lore to be the brain child creation of a dysfunctional hormonal android really ticks me off the uniqueness is gone
Well they showed a photo of her mutilated
And Daniels did find her mangled body. I half expected Shaw's eyes to open, kind of surprised they didn't actually.
One thing that's cool about killing off Shaw is that it breaks the "hero immunity" rule even if it did happen between films. Surviving an encounter against those organisms should be the fluke of flukes and no one should get that lucky multiple times. Even Ripley surviving ALIENS strained the very limits of suspension of disbelief. At least Alien 3 didn't push that further.
So with the Xenomorphs no longer being an ancient species there's no possible way for AvP and AvP:R to fit into the timeline now is there?
I wonder if David created the eggs for the same reason Ledger Joker preferred to use a knife. The spores were quicker and more efficient but David doesn't get to savor all the little emotions that way.
At first he used the Engineer cannisters against them and sent spores that turned them all to ash. Instant death but no satisfaction in the process and nothing created. So he tampered with the spores to make them first burrow into your body and create the neomorph. Better, but the hosts still aren't aware they're being violated until after the burster starts to form and their senses get numbed as a result of the preliminary nausea. So that won't do either. Enter the eggs, and more importantly the facehuggers, David's "sperm." Now impregnation becomes a grand event in and of itself (just like with humans) in addition to the "birth." Finally his desire to both destroy and create gets mutually satisfied in a nightmarish combo that has the host fully aware of the initial impregnation and with full senses as his child emerges.
At first he used the Engineer cannisters against them and sent spores that turned them all to ash. Instant death but no satisfaction in the process and nothing created. So he tampered with the spores to make them first burrow into your body and create the neomorph. Better, but the hosts still aren't aware they're being violated until after the burster starts to form and their senses get numbed as a result of the preliminary nausea. So that won't do either. Enter the eggs, and more importantly the facehuggers, David's "sperm." Now impregnation becomes a grand event in and of itself (just like with humans) in addition to the "birth." Finally his desire to both destroy and create gets mutually satisfied in a nightmarish combo that has the host fully aware of the initial impregnation and with full senses as his child emerges.
None of this puts Covenant anywhere close to ALIEN or ALIENS because of all the film's other shortcomings of course but it does elevate it above shlock with no redeeming value like the AvP movies.
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Not only is AVP continuity destroyed,
But it ruins the AlIEN line of the " space jokey being fossilized "
The space jokey in ALIEN cannot longer be "fossilized" or be ancient anymore.
So ridley even destroyed his own movie
But it ruins the AlIEN line of the " space jokey being fossilized "
The space jokey in ALIEN cannot longer be "fossilized" or be ancient anymore.
So ridley even destroyed his own movie
Well it undermined the assumptions made by the Nostromo crew. Obviously they were wrong in thinking that it had fossilized because they had no point of reference for how any creature could be fused to a chair like that. But eh, he already contradicted his own movie by shrinking the Space Jockey and making their bodies "suits" for regular humans. We all know that that's never what they were intended to be.
This definitely isn't a series to be too concerned with what's canon and what isn't. It's more about fear of unstoppable death, fear of rape, fear of isolation, with some cheap thrills and maybe a thought provoking idea or two thrown in to ponder just for fun. I see these as visceral experiences, not some grand narrative that all needs to fit seamlessly together.
How does an android mutate into an engineer ..that's like Ash and Bishop becoming the alien Queen.. was Scott smoking crack
No android has mutated into an engineer. That's just some fan theory that hasn't even been hinted at on screen.
screamingmetal
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Did anyone else think that the Engineers in Covenant were even smaller than they were in Prometheus? They appeared to be about the same size as the Humans when they were running past their fossilized bodies to me.
It makes me think there are different races of Engineers that are also differently sized. Perhaps their sizes depend on the gravity of the planet they happen to be from, so larger Engineers like the one in Alien could still be possible.
I think those are just fan theories that are trying to fix continuity errors between the films. I think it's pretty clear that Scott wanted us to take the Engineer that put the Space Jockey suit on when he sat in the chair in Prometheus to be the same type of being that the Nostromo crew discovered. He just did a crappy job of making them match.
Did anyone else think that the Engineers in Covenant were even smaller than they were in Prometheus? They appeared to be about the same size as the Humans when they were running past their fossilized bodies to me.
It makes me think there are different races of Engineers that are also differently sized. Perhaps their sizes depend on the gravity of the planet they happen to be from, so larger Engineers like the one in Alien could still be possible.
Their fossilized remains did seem to be about human sized. Honestly I think it's just Scott not giving a crap about continuity, nothing more. But who knows.
I just take these films as having "Mad Max continuity" and don't worry about it.
