Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Covenant)

[guyver1]

We dont know what effect the goo has on androids.

The jokey creature in ALIEN doesnt even resemble the engineer suit ( even the head is different)

So the goo could cause d to mutate into the space jokey

Yup





No way is that David

 

[Reinhardt]

I don't consider Prometheus or Covenant to be cannon to the Alien universe. I don't know so often when prequels are done, everything needs to be tied together. We came from the same creatures that created the Alien? Seriously?? Vader created C3PO??

 

[theuzi9mm]

And Daniels did find her mangled body. I half expected Shaw's eyes to open, kind of surprised they didn't actually.

One thing that's cool about killing off Shaw is that it breaks the "hero immunity" rule even if it did happen between films. Surviving an encounter against those organisms should be the fluke of flukes and no one should get that lucky multiple times. Even Ripley surviving ALIENS strained the very limits of suspension of disbelief. At least Alien 3 didn't push that further.

So with the Xenomorphs no longer being an ancient species there's no possible way for AvP and AvP:R to fit into the timeline now is there?

Spoiler

I wonder if David created the eggs for the same reason Ledger Joker preferred to use a knife. The spores were quicker and more efficient but David doesn't get to savor all the little emotions that way.

At first he used the Engineer cannisters against them and sent spores that turned them all to ash. Instant death but no satisfaction in the process and nothing created. So he tampered with the spores to make them first burrow into your body and create the neomorph. Better, but the hosts still aren't aware they're being violated until after the burster starts to form and their senses get numbed as a result of the preliminary nausea. So that won't do either. Enter the eggs, and more importantly the facehuggers, David's "sperm." Now impregnation becomes a grand event in and of itself (just like with humans) in addition to the "birth." Finally his desire to both destroy and create gets mutually satisfied in a nightmarish combo that has the host fully aware of the initial impregnation and with full senses as his child emerges.

None of this puts Covenant anywhere close to ALIEN or ALIENS because of all the film's other shortcomings of course but it does elevate it above shlock with no redeeming value like the AvP movies.

David has turned into a psychopath. His desire to create makes him rationalize that he needs to destroy in order to create and is such fully justified. As in his warped mind he's creating new life and therefore equal in that regard to humans, but since he views his life creation (as well as himself) superior to that of humans, gives him his god complex and overall bad boy.

Not only is AVP continuity destroyed,
But it ruins the AlIEN line of the " space jokey being fossilized "

The space jokey in ALIEN cannot longer be "fossilized" or be ancient anymore.

So ridley even destroyed his own movie

I realized that, but as I've always viewed the whole AvP as spinoff fiction one offs. I personally don't view them as canon.

We dont know what effect the goo has on androids.

The jokey creature in ALIEN doesnt even resemble the engineer suit ( even the head is different)

So the goo could cause d to mutate into the space jokey

Remember in Prometheus David can hold a drop of goo on his finger and not absorb it, so the goo seemingly has zero effect to alter his android skin. Perhaps the only way would be if David mutates the goo so that is can effect him.

I liked some fan theory I came across the other day in that the xenos/huggers won't interact with androids such as David/Walter and that somehow in David's quest for ultimate perfection, that something happened for them to suddenly notice him, hence the one possible way an android (let's face it, at this juncture its either David or Walter in that chair) to get 'noticed' by the xenos/huggers.

But then again, you have the problem of if David/Walter is the final 'evolution' into Big Chap, you'd have ONE Big Chap born from him (Space Jockey). So again, how do you get a cargohold full of BC type huggers and eggs? Oh yeah, Ridley hates the Queen idea so it must be Jonesy's cat-father's fault....

 

[Khev]

let's face it, at this juncture its either David or Walter in that chair

How does that make more sense than simply assuming it's another engineer? According to Scott's new canon they are the ones who wear the space jockey suits when they are flying those ships. It also makes sense for an engineer, not David, to send out a warning beacon to keep others away when one of the creatures got loose.

If it was David the message would say "hey everybody I've got treasure hidden in all these egg things. Come and see, make sure you get real close!"

 

[SNIKT1950]

Ridley's gone senile. Making David the SJ is ****ing absurd.

*In two months FOX will deem this a BO bomb and reactivate Blomkamp's Weaver-led Aliens: Awakening for a 2019 release.

 

[crows]

Who knew that ridley would become lucas

 

[Khev]

Ridley's gone senile. Making David the SJ is ****ing absurd.

Yeah what was he thinking by not putting something so stupid in a movie. Anyone who's the subject of Fake News absolutely must be senile. There's no other explanation.

 

[ironwez20]

Damn I guess they really ****ed **** up huh? I'm not a huge alien fan but I love the franchise and the XEno's so I guess this was made for people like me but for long time fans it seemed like it screwed up everything making some robot the creator.

 

[theuzi9mm]

Ridley's gone senile. Making David the SJ is ****ing absurd.

*In two months FOX will deem this a BO bomb and reactivate Blomkamp's Weaver-led Aliens: Awakening for a 2019 release.

I doubt it will take 2 months...

Covenants opening weekend totals

Fri 5/19 total 15MM
Sat 5/20 total 12MM
Sun 5/21 total 8.8MM
Mon 5/22 total 3.3MM

Compare Prometheus' first 4 days-

Friday 6/8/12 total 21MM
Sat 6/9 total 16MM
Sun 6/10 total 13MM
Mon 6/11 total 5.2MM

yeah both continued to lose money over the first 4 days but the amounts are vastly lower...As I said I doubt the US receipts alone make up the 97MM budget. Yeah it's made that but only from foreign and domestic take so far.

Damn I guess they really ****ed **** up huh? I'm not a huge alien fan but I love the franchise and the XEno's so I guess this was made for people like me but for long time fans it seemed like it screwed up everything making some robot the creator.

Honestly I don't know who he made this movie for. OG Alien fans or Prometheus fans, or new reboot recruits. I think he failed on all fronts. I'm an OG Alien fan, but I take the franchise as canon for the first 3 movies. It's a great bookend series but Resurrection, AvP and Prometheus/Covenant are like the spinoffs in my book. Yes I'm down with the Queen and 'bug' aspect as I think it works. That said I do think Alien is better than Aliens but both are great in their own respective circles.

 

[guyver1]

Damn I guess they really ****ed **** up huh? I'm not a huge alien fan but I love the franchise and the XEno's so I guess this was made for people like me but for long time fans it seemed like it screwed up everything making some robot the creator.

It is a shame but wild concepts like this have happened in film with non living things

Remember this catastrophe

 

[SNIKT1950]

In a perfect world he would have just gone with his original Xeno-less concept for this movie which was Prometheus: Paradise Lost and Blomkamp's Aliens: Awakening would have premiered next year. Two separate franchises sharing DNA as it was always intended instead of this bull**** merger of the two Ridley seems to have cooked up to **** over Blomkamp.

 

[Khev]

Honestly I don't know who he made this movie for. OG Alien fans or Prometheus fans, or new reboot recruits. I think he failed on all fronts.

I was actually just thinking about that. Did you like Prometheus and Elizabeth Shaw? Covenant is gonna piss you off. Did you like the mystery of the original ALIEN? Covenant is gonna piss you off. Do you not care about either and just want new well developed, smart and likable characters to get attached to? Uhh....

The criticisms against this movie are highly valid. I'm sure discussion will fall by the wayside very soon and it'll be quickly forgotten (maybe not as quickly as Logan but still pretty quickly.)

If this ends the franchise so be it. I actually think it works as an ending. One final "oh ****" flying off into the sunset moment as an exclamation point to the nightmare that is the cosmos of this universe. I don't think Covenant is like Genisys or T:Salvation where it needs more chapters to explain everything and loop back to the derelict on LV-426. Who first created the Xenos? Answered. Where is he now? God only knows and pray that you never find him. What is the story behind the crashed derelict? That can, quite properly, always remain a mystery.

Covenant might not be the Alien version of "Rogue One" that we all would have liked but at least right now it ends the franchise on a higher note than everything that has come since Alien 3. I'd also rank it higher than every Terminator film after T2.

 

[guyver1]

Well this is interesting

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/YUNAFQuzUzY

 

[lttgtimaatisgdaicfi]

And Daniels did find her mangled body. I half expected Shaw's eyes to open, kind of surprised they didn't actually.

One thing that's cool about killing off Shaw is that it breaks the "hero immunity" rule even if it did happen between films. Surviving an encounter against those organisms should be the fluke of flukes and no one should get that lucky multiple times. Even Ripley surviving ALIENS strained the very limits of suspension of disbelief. At least Alien 3 didn't push that further.


So with the Xenomorphs no longer being an ancient species there's no possible way for AvP and AvP:R to fit into the timeline now is there?

Spoiler

I wonder if David created the eggs for the same reason Ledger Joker preferred to use a knife. The spores were quicker and more efficient but David doesn't get to savor all the little emotions that way.

At first he used the Engineer cannisters against them and sent spores that turned them all to ash. Instant death but no satisfaction in the process and nothing created. So he tampered with the spores to make them first burrow into your body and create the neomorph. Better, but the hosts still aren't aware they're being violated until after the burster starts to form and their senses get numbed as a result of the preliminary nausea. So that won't do either. Enter the eggs, and more importantly the facehuggers, David's "sperm." Now impregnation becomes a grand event in and of itself (just like with humans) in addition to the "birth." Finally his desire to both destroy and create gets mutually satisfied in a nightmarish combo that has the host fully aware of the initial impregnation and with full senses as his child emerges.

None of this puts Covenant anywhere close to ALIEN or ALIENS because of all the film's other shortcomings of course but it does elevate it above shlock with no redeeming value like the AvP movies.

I was disappointed they kiiled off the only character I really liked in the entire franchise. I also didn't recognize her as the corpse so don't listen to me...LOL

 

[ironwez20]

I kinda hope this doesn't end the franchise. I'm hoping from blomkamps take. The concept art looked great and It'd be nice to see someone else's vision. District 9 was great.

 

[abake]

Nothing really new though, is there?

Meaning guyver's video.

 

[ridetofight]

I kinda hope this doesn't end the franchise. I'm hoping from blomkamps take. The concept art looked great and It'd be nice to see someone else's vision. District 9 was great.

i was hoping it WOULD end, at least this branch, of the franchise. Fox execs can sit back and say, "well... that didn't go as planned... how about a "reboot"? isn't that what everyones doing? rated r reboots? what about that blomkamp thing? can we use that back up plan?"

 

[EVILFACE]

I kinda hope this doesn't end the franchise. I'm hoping from blomkamps take. The concept art looked great and It'd be nice to see someone else's vision. District 9 was great.

old man hicks and ripley still fighting aliens.

Nope.

 

[theuzi9mm]

old man hicks and ripley still fighting aliens.

Nope.

And old Ellen Ripley too! The few snibbits of actual story line I heard from the Bloom treatment I found cringe worthy. Ripley and some cosmic psycho-connection mind **** thing with the xenos, hell, they'll probably work in some Ripley/xeno ****/*** scene somehow, ya know push the boundaries!

I'm OK if the franchise is stopped dead in its tracks with this. If I want to watch an Alien triology, with a beginning, middle and end I'll just watch the first 3 films and call it a day. These movies and the AvP have literally become like the endless story lines seen running wild in comic ventures. I never got drawn into any but the first 3 'alien' comic lines from Dark Horse in the late 80s early 90's. Now they have so many tangents it's easy to just ignore their storylines.

Rebooting it totally is just dumb imho. The same way the Star Trek reboot is with me. I saw the first one and Into Darkness but i won't give Beyond the time of day because I can't fully suspend my disbelief in the 'reboot' aspect. You'd have the same thing if they rebooted with a complete remake of Alien. New actors, maybe characters, 90% similar story line. The comparisons would be endless it wouldn't work at all. Only for people who have never seen and zero knowledge of the original movie. I suppose there is a demographic for that but it's a small slice I think.

 

[jye4ever]

old man hicks and ripley still fighting aliens.

Nope.

Yeah Han looked a little silly limping around shooting in TFA.