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the Novel of Alien Covenant clears 99% of the plot holes that plagued the movie:


No helmets in an alien world

We find out why they run around the planet without helmets; Walter leaves the ship first to test the air and water, revealing that it's free from pathogens and pollutants "right down past the molecular level." Ledward actually remembers this when he sees the spores for the first time, reasoning that they cannot be dangerous because Walt gave them the all clear. Also the spores shoot the eggs into his ear through some kind of proboscis, they do not just zip into his ear as in the film.

David later tells the crew that because the virus is inert until it senses life, it is impossible to detect even with the most advanced scanning equipment.

Xeno eggs weren't created by David

David shows Oram a petrified facehugger's egg, which he reveals he euthanised because it was too aggressive. Oram looks inside this egg, at David's urging, and is comforted to find that the hugger inside is, as promised, quite dead. Tantalisingly, he mentions that this was left behind by the Engineers, saying it is a "supreme example of their skill." His attempts to create the alien, seemingly, are trying to emulate this one left by the Engineers. He also confirms that the aliens take on characteristics of their host species, a la the Dog Alien from Alien 3, which is a nice little detail.


David shows Oram his own attempts at creating the eggs. Before descending into the egg chamber, he gives Oram some kind of smelly unguent to smear underneath his nose which he says will keep him safe from the hugger's attentions, and even leans over one of the open ovoids to prove that doing so is safe.

About the Enginners

The flashback with Shaw and David nuking Engineers is entirely absent. Also, there is nothing to suggest this is anyting other than the Engineer homeworld - the characters refer to it as such multiple times.


About David

Daniels stabs David through the eye with the nail, not the chin - we discover David shares Walter's healing capabilities here, as his damaged eye knits itself back together. This whole switch is not nearly as telegraphed as it was in the film - no mention of David reaching for the knife, for example.

Unlike the film, David does not reveal himself to the crew, posing as Walter to the very end - Daniels goes under believing that all is right with world, little suspecting she is about to become a petri dish for the universe's most deranged synthetic. David then opens a secure line with Weyland Yutani HQ back on earth and slips his embryos into storage - these are simply hidden on the ship

David Shop

The biggest change is the scene with David and Oram in his little shop of horrors. It is filled with all manner of fascinating and gruesome sights, including a dissected Engineer's corpse, tiny preserved neomorph specimens that hatched out of insects, and, most notably, corpses (or at least models) of something that sounds suspiciously like the classic Giger alien.


The sequence of events up until the attack in the wheatfield are more or less exactly as they are in the film - however, we do find out that Hallet, despite warnings from Lope not to, investigates the ovoid because he doesn't want the science types to take all the credit for its discovery. In fact, the book takes much greater pains than the film to justify the crew's actions, often talking about safeguards and correct operating procedure.

>As the survivors escape the necropolis, the surviving neomorph joins the party and does battle with the xeno.
 
the Novel of Alien Covenant clears 99% of the plot holes that plagued the movie:


No helmets in an alien world

We find out why they run around the planet without helmets; Walter leaves the ship first to test the air and water, revealing that it's free from pathogens and pollutants "right down past the molecular level." Ledward actually remembers this when he sees the spores for the first time, reasoning that they cannot be dangerous because Walt gave them the all clear. Also the spores shoot the eggs into his ear through some kind of proboscis, they do not just zip into his ear as in the film.

David later tells the crew that because the virus is inert until it senses life, it is impossible to detect even with the most advanced scanning equipment.

Xeno eggs weren't created by David

David shows Oram a petrified facehugger's egg, which he reveals he euthanised because it was too aggressive. Oram looks inside this egg, at David's urging, and is comforted to find that the hugger inside is, as promised, quite dead. Tantalisingly, he mentions that this was left behind by the Engineers, saying it is a "supreme example of their skill." His attempts to create the alien, seemingly, are trying to emulate this one left by the Engineers. He also confirms that the aliens take on characteristics of their host species, a la the Dog Alien from Alien 3, which is a nice little detail.


David shows Oram his own attempts at creating the eggs. Before descending into the egg chamber, he gives Oram some kind of smelly unguent to smear underneath his nose which he says will keep him safe from the hugger's attentions, and even leans over one of the open ovoids to prove that doing so is safe.

About the Enginners

The flashback with Shaw and David nuking Engineers is entirely absent. Also, there is nothing to suggest this is anyting other than the Engineer homeworld - the characters refer to it as such multiple times.


About David

Daniels stabs David through the eye with the nail, not the chin - we discover David shares Walter's healing capabilities here, as his damaged eye knits itself back together. This whole switch is not nearly as telegraphed as it was in the film - no mention of David reaching for the knife, for example.

Unlike the film, David does not reveal himself to the crew, posing as Walter to the very end - Daniels goes under believing that all is right with world, little suspecting she is about to become a petri dish for the universe's most deranged synthetic. David then opens a secure line with Weyland Yutani HQ back on earth and slips his embryos into storage - these are simply hidden on the ship

David Shop

The biggest change is the scene with David and Oram in his little shop of horrors. It is filled with all manner of fascinating and gruesome sights, including a dissected Engineer's corpse, tiny preserved neomorph specimens that hatched out of insects, and, most notably, corpses (or at least models) of something that sounds suspiciously like the classic Giger alien.


The sequence of events up until the attack in the wheatfield are more or less exactly as they are in the film - however, we do find out that Hallet, despite warnings from Lope not to, investigates the ovoid because he doesn't want the science types to take all the credit for its discovery. In fact, the book takes much greater pains than the film to justify the crew's actions, often talking about safeguards and correct operating procedure.

>As the survivors escape the necropolis, the surviving neomorph joins the party and does battle with the xeno.

Is the novel considered canon still even though this was not in the final film itself ?
 
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the Novel of Alien Covenant clears 99% of the plot holes that plagued the movie:

>As the survivors escape the necropolis, the surviving neomorph joins the party and does battle with the xeno.

From some behind the scenes info that I've read/watched that scene might've been filmed but cut. There's even the possibility that either the Xeno or the last surviving Neomorph got onto the Covenant itself where Daniels goes gunning for it, there's a brief scene in one of the trailers showing this.
 
I still don't get why people have a problem with the crew going down to the planet without helmets, science has shown that pathogens are evolved to the organisms of the planet's ecosystem that they're from. If humans ever do make it to a distant alien planet that has exact Earth like conditions, humans will not catch an alien pathogen because it's biology has not evolved to infecting organisms from Earth. If humans remained, then eventually alien pathogens will adapt to Earth organisms. The crew of the Covenant are unaware that humans as well as all life on Earth was planted there by the Engineers and that their biology might be threatened by an alien world because of it. They have no reason to fear alien pathogens.
 
Hey Khev good to see you liked it for the most part. I pretty much agree with everything you said.

Like you I found the film to be very intense at times and that is no small feat for a series going on this long.

Far from perfect but I really liked it.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it again and it's probably the first film of 2017 that I'll end up buying on blu-ray. But Scott once again really got sloppy with an ALIEN prequel. Just watching that deleted scene with the crew all hanging out and goofing off prior to entering cryo-sleep made me realize just how much that should have been left in the movie. Both ALIEN and ALIENS showed us similar scenes with the Nostromo crew and Colonial Marines so that we could learn more about their personalities, specialties, and group dynamic prior to everything hitting the fan. Terrible idea to cut that out of Covenant IMO. The tragedy with the solar flare, losing Franco, etc., just didn't impact me at all. In fact I thought that the meteor shower that hit the sleeping crew at the beginning of Pitch Black was far more intense.

Covenant is kind of the anti-Rogue One in that regard. With RO they realized that it would be wrong to cut from the prologue right to Jyn being interrogated on Yavin so they went back and added the scenes of her in prison, Cassian shooting the informant, Bodhi being captured, and then Jyn being rescued. Covenant did just the opposite by actually filming some character building moments from the get go and then giving them the axe.

Now Khev, I just watched Logan again last night and liked it even more. What is wrong with you man? :)

:lol

Well I thought it was decent enough with one viewing, just not great. I loved the movie up until the farmhouse and then things gradually went downhill from there. We'll see how it plays on a second viewing for me.
 
Unlike the film, David does not reveal himself to the crew, posing as Walter to the very end - Daniels goes under believing that all is right with world, little suspecting she is about to become a petri dish for the universe's most deranged synthetic.

I really liked the reveal at the end though; it was my favorite part of the movie.
 
Nope Alien 3 remains king of ****ed up character treatment.

Ripley/Hicks/Newt > Covenant characters who I don't even remember their names only 1 week after viewing.
 
The fate of the characters in Alien 3 ticked me off the most because of the manner in which they were treated but everyone either died in their sleep or on their own terms. Covenant had me going "holy crap, daaaamn," at how morbid Daniels' and everyone's fate would be.
 
Funny how ALIENS 3 is able to flesh out characters when visually they all look/dress the same something ALIEN COVENANT failed to do. ALIENS 3 assembly is like wine that gets better with age. It is the true “sequel” tone wise to the original. Loved ALIENS but it came with a heavy price……XENOMORPHS became “shoot em up” video game creatures.
 
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