Rainman's Fight Club sculpts recasted...

[Darklord Dave]

One thing we can do here is not support HeadPlay in any way. I haven't banned their accounts yet, but the headsculpt thread has been hidden.

We will not allow them to be solicited here any more.

 

[Entropy]

One thing we can do here is not support HeadPlay in any way. I haven't banned their accounts yet, but the headsculpt thread has been hidden.

We will not allow them to be solicited here any more.

Headplay, stop stealing from artists!

 

[meth head]

One thing we can do here is not support HeadPlay in any way. I haven't banned their accounts yet, but the headsculpt thread has been hidden.

We will not allow them to be solicited here any more.

yes this is a must! I can for a ban.

 

[Cheungkinmen]

The boss has spoken.

 

[ryanbayliss]

I had really hoped Headplay had learned their lesson after the backlash they got from releasing the recast HT Bruce Wayne head.

I don't understand it when they can obviously produce their own (very good) sculpts. They are obviously after a quick buck.

Shame on you headplay, shame on you.

 

[Bullet]

Completely agree that those are rainmans sculpts and its shocking that it would appear headplay are recasting them. I'll happily boycott them if this turns out to be 100% true. However before there account is banned on here should they not be allowed to say there piece? Perhaps offer up some kind of an explanation?

 

[omega145]

However before there account is banned on here should they not be allowed to say there piece? Perhaps offer up some kind of an explanation?

Im willing to bet that some of those that are complaining about Headplay stealing Rainmans sculpts would buy a headplay sculpt in a heartbeat if they couldnt get their hands on an original Rainman.

 

[EVILFACE]

People have been recasting Sideshow Clonetrooper stuff and selling them. Hide those threads too.

 

[karamazov80]

Completely agree that those are rainmans sculpts and its shocking that it would appear headplay are recasting them. I'll happily boycott them if this turns out to be 100% true. However before there account is banned on here should they not be allowed to say there piece? Perhaps offer up some kind of an explanation?

What explanation could there be? These are clearly modified Rainman sculpts that Rainman never approved. In a previous issue with a Tommy Lee Jones sculpt (I think), they essentially fessed up to it, arguing that they were improving on an existing custom sculpt, and had a right to sell it because it was better than the first release and customers wanted to buy it. I guess that's a type of explanation, but not one that's gonna fly with the original sculptor.

Im willing to bet that some of those that are complaining about Headplay stealing Rainmans sculpts would buy a headplay sculpt in a heartbeat if they couldnt get their hands on an original Rainman.

Maybe so, but the point isn't relevant to the issue of whether or not Headplay should be offering these recasts for sale.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Honestly, if we're trying to be moral and everything. . . why do these threads still exist??

https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107890
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107596

What CANNOT be sold or auctioned -

1) Complete figures that have been mass produced (over 12 items) of any character from a Sideshow or Hot Toys license.

https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_customs_rules

 

[karamazov80]

You could have a point, though technically, I'm not sure that Ra's falls under the license HT had for Begins, as they never produced a figure. And I believe HT said themselves that they were unable to acquire Oldman's likeness rights. Same would go for Nurse Joker, which HT has said they are not allowed to do.

 

[Agent47]

And custom statue FS threads have been pulled down in the past that infringed on Marvel, with whom SS has a license.

Well, I guess we no longer get to complain about how awful 90% of the HP sculpts are anymore

 

[SwedishHeat]

I'd just like to know what I can and can't do.

Can I make 20 Short Round figures to sell to people here? I'm assuming yes. Can I recast Trevor Grove's head to do it??. . . .mmmmm, probably not.

Can I make 20 X-Wing Luke figures to sell to people here?? It seems like I can.

Can I make 20 Dexter figures?? No.

Can I make 20 Miami Serial Killer figures?? Yes.

I'm just wondering what the point of that rule is? Is it to relieve Darklord Dave of responsibility if TPTB complain?

Not that I'm campaigning for any sort of action one way or another, I am just intrigued by the can of worms that has been opened here by taking a moral stance against Headplay due to community outcry, while more egregious 'gray area' projects are allowed to continue due to community support.

 

[Deckard]

Custom character creations like Miami Serial Killer that happen to resemble famous actors = ok.

Recasting another artist's work, claiming it your own, profitting = not ok.

And for me it's not even about profit but that they are claiming that is their own work. Complete scum. The garbage Headplay cranked out was never as refined as RM's, they were always half assed rush jobs.

 

[karamazov80]

I can't speak to the actual motivation for all the specific policies of the forum, but I do know that there are multiple concerns with unlicensed custom work. Sometimes (as with Dexter) there are legal concerns. Sometimes (with the Rainman sculpts) there are issues of impropriety and the fear of turning a valued custom artist off to the forum. There is a lot of gray here IMO, but the intention of the rules as I understand them is to encourage custom work that is valued by/acceptable to the community at large and legally allowable (even if it technically violates a license agreement, companies like Sideshow or Hasbro may sometimes allow for custom work that really only serves to encourage further interest in a collectible line), and to discourage work that is not. But strict rules are tricky because there will often be exceptions.

 

[robbiethepainter]

Dexter, to my understanding, came from Showtime not the forum and also at the request of Trevor. Because of legal actions against him.

I'd just like to know what I can and can't do.

Can I make 20 Short Round figures to sell to people here? I'm assuming yes. Can I recast Trevor Grove's head to do it??. . . .mmmmm, probably not.

Can I make 20 X-Wing Luke figures to sell to people here?? It seems like I can.

Can I make 20 Dexter figures?? No.

Can I make 20 Miami Serial Killer figures?? Yes.

I'm just wondering what the point of that rule is? Is it to relieve Darklord Dave of responsibility if TPTB complain?

Not that I'm campaigning for any sort of action one way or another, I am just intrigued by the can of worms that has been opened here by taking a moral stance against Headplay due to community outcry, while more egregious 'gray area' projects are allowed to continue due to community support.

 

[meth head]

Creating a from scratch unlicensed figure is not the same as recasting a head which is licensed or unlicensed.

Why the comparison

 

[thenammagazine]

What explanation could there be? These are clearly modified Rainman sculpts that Rainman never approved. In a previous issue with a Tommy Lee Jones sculpt (I think), they essentially fessed up to it, arguing that they were improving on an existing custom sculpt, and had a right to sell it because it was better than the first release and customers wanted to buy it. I guess that's a type of explanation, but not one that's gonna fly with the original sculptor.


Maybe so, but the point isn't relevant to the issue of whether or not Headplay should be offering these recasts for sale.

I think it's entirely questionable to accuse recasters of "stealing" when likeness rights weren't paid to the individuals the likenesses were taken and profited from by the original sculptor. If you're going to bring up recasting and the lack of legitimacy of it, you might as well toss in the theft of intellectual property rights and personal likeness rights too.

 

[meth head]

I think it's entirely questionable to accuse recasters of "stealing" when likeness rights weren't paid to the individuals the likenesses were taken and profited from by the original sculptor. If you're going to bring up recasting and the lack of legitimacy of it, you might as well toss in the theft of intellectual property rights and personal likeness rights too.

Like Deckard said it just so happens that the figure they make resemble a certain actor or actress

 

[thenammagazine]

Like Deckard said it just so happens that the figure they make resemble a certain actor or actress

Yeah, that bull____ wouldn't stand up in court so I don't see why it should stand up here. Honestly either except both as part of the hobby (good or bad), or deal with both as forms of theft. It's essentially a thief calling a thief a thief.