Rainmans 'Killer A'

[armysoldier74b]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

I don't care if the figure will maintain its value or double in value just because it was already expensive and highly limited I care about the figure's actual value.

Your entitled to your opinion, but until you can actually break down the meaning of "actual value" to me and the rest of us Anton fans then I am going to keep bugging you for a better explanation.

Its one thing to say something is overpriced, but what would be a better "actual value" ?

I'm seeing bashes sell for 350-450. So should Rainman sell Anton at that price? A fully customized figure that comes with accessories made from the man himself?

Rainman sells clothing sets at $450 and painted heads at $120.
Thats $570 right there alone. Thats without accesories. Add accessories for lets say $100 dollars and your already up in the $670 price range. So maybe the value should be between $670 and $750 right?

I'm curious to know what your take is on this. I am not trying to be a smartass It just bugs me when someone says something is overpriced and not give an explanation as to why.

The value of something is not what the seller or buyer dictates. Its what both seller and buyer agrees on.

 

[PopCultKid]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'



It's give or take the average of what a bunch of buyers and sellers agreed on. MARKET VALUE

 

[Monger]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

I'm a fan of the Anton character as well so please do not solo me out as though I am trying to bring everyone down. I truly fail to understand why you are so interested in my opinion on something as simple as the pricing. I say it is overpriced because I fail to see how it could possibly be a fair price for something. A good deal of reasonably priced high end customs with fair runs go for around three hundred to four hundred dollars, often including the body as well. I don't understand where Rainman's products are SOOO superior to all other figures that they deserve to run upwards of one thousand dollars. The jumps in price from the clothing and head sculpt to the full sets also confuse me greatly.

I am not questioning the skill of the sculptor and whoever handles the clothing of course. These tend to end up being some of the nicest figures around and I won't argue otherwise. His Bill the Butcher is literally the biggest grail of the entire figure world to me. If I could obtain, right now, a figure of my desire it would be that one. I'm not insulting Rainman or questioning his skill. I just think these go for so much because he keeps the runs insanely low to let them go for that much. People accept the prices and the exclusive nature keeps the whole system tightly shut, leaving most of us out for no real reason.

Now that I've explained that can you just let it go? Not everyone just accepts the pricing of things and keeps moving. If you can afford these figures and think they are worth it then that's all that matters right?

And in all honesty I find it intimidating to even present opinions on Rainman products aside from absolute love for all aspects of them because his fans tend to bite and snatch any comment that could at least somewhat be interpreted as being negative. As I said prior I am looking forward to seeing the pictures. That's all I can afford to do anyway when it comes to Rainman products.

 

[armysoldier74b]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

I'm a fan of the Anton character as well so please do not solo me out as though I am trying to bring everyone down. I truly fail to understand why you are so interested in my opinion on something as simple as the pricing. I say it is overpriced because I fail to see how it could possibly be a fair price for something. A good deal of reasonably priced high end customs with fair runs go for around three hundred to four hundred dollars, often including the body as well. I don't understand where Rainman's products are SOOO superior to all other figures that they deserve to run upwards of one thousand dollars. The jumps in price from the clothing and head sculpt to the full sets also confuse me greatly.

I am not questioning the skill of the sculptor and whoever handles the clothing of course. These tend to end up being some of the nicest figures around and I won't argue otherwise. His Bill the Butcher is literally the biggest grail of the entire figure world to me. If I could obtain, right now, a figure of my desire it would be that one. I'm not insulting Rainman or questioning his skill. I just think these go for so much because he keeps the runs insanely low to let them go for that much. People accept the prices and the exclusive nature keeps the whole system tightly shut, leaving most of us out for no real reason.

Now that I've explained that can you just let it go? Not everyone just accepts the pricing of things and keeps moving. If you can afford these figures and think they are worth it then that's all that matters right?

And in all honesty I find it intimidating to even present opinions on Rainman products aside from absolute love for all aspects of them because his fans tend to bite and snatch any comment that could at least somewhat be interpreted as being negative. As I said prior I am looking forward to seeing the pictures. That's all I can afford to do anyway when it comes to Rainman products.

Dude I saw you made the comment and wanted you to elaborate thats all.

I don't consider myself a Rainman groupie. If I am not interested on a release I simply won't buy it. If I am not happy with the end result I will not buy it. Take Milkshake man for example, I wasn't interested and I wasn't buying. The problem now is with the expected lineup coming up I will probably be buying. Anton and Bickle for sure, but don't know about Jack.

Wasn't trying to single you out, but you did leave yourself open to a response with your statement.

 

[alexi.volk]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

why dont you go in on a painted or unpainted head monger? the painted is 120 and resin is 50 and you can bash it yourself. especially in the case of anton a bash should be much easier. and there is always that other company that did a figure for him which i hear is pretty good so maybe you could swap a rainman head onto that one.
also, army, the painted hs+outfit is--or at least in the case of the milkshake man was--480 including ship, if i remember correctly.
anyway the one thing i would contest is that rainman has anything to gain from what his work resells for. he doesnt get a cut of those profits at all. other than perhaps the compliment. i think his runs are small because he's a small operation, even smaller than iminime and has been in the game longer (almost ten years now).
and he recently made re-available his entire catalogue at the same price--which i wish i had been around for.
anyway, i get where you're coming from monger: some figures are real expensive and especially for those of us seeking certain past releases, even more so. but there's something about the customs world that draws us and i hope given time we will all be able to figure out our collections to a satisfactory place. there's a reason we look beyond hot toys and medicom.
i gotta get back to sleep. why do i always wake up at all these crazy hours?

 

[armysoldier74b]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

why dont you go in on a painted or unpainted head monger? the painted is 120 and resin is 50 and you can bash it yourself. especially in the case of anton a bash should be much easier. and there is always that other company that did a figure for him which i hear is pretty good so maybe you could swap a rainman head onto that one.
also, army, the painted hs+outfit is--or at least in the case of the milkshake man was--480 including ship, if i remember correctly.
anyway the one thing i would contest is that rainman has anything to gain from what his work resells for. he doesnt get a cut of those profits at all. other than perhaps the compliment. i think his runs are small because he's a small operation, even smaller than iminime and has been in the game longer (almost ten years now).
and he recently made re-available his entire catalogue at the same price--which i wish i had been around for.
anyway, i get where you're coming from monger: some figures are real expensive and especially for those of us seeking certain past releases, even more so. but there's something about the customs world that draws us and i hope given time we will all be able to figure out our collections to a satisfactory place. there's a reason we look beyond hot toys and medicom.
i gotta get back to sleep. why do i always wake up at all these crazy hours?

He doesn't get a cut of it, because he priced it lower than what it sells in the secondary market. The secondary market is a good indicator of what the value of his figures are worth. If his figures are selling for way more in the secondary market than it means he is undervaluing his product. To make sure HE DOES get a cut he adjusts the price of his figure.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

No disrespect to any collectors, but I kinda wish some of the old timers (Day 1) Rainman collectors would chime in a little more. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians is what I see these days. I'm not singling anyone out either, but I kinda think it's corney to put together a Rainman catalog of figures in half a year and act like an expert. Collections build over time with real reference backing them. I also get peeved at people who are drawn to the films because of his figures! The flavor of the month collector. I'm on the flipside of that coin, The film is my draw to an interesting figure.
If you just popped in this film last week and all of a sudden your a Anton Fan, then your wack!

As far as price is concerned, Well a good determinant of value is if somthing can hold that value. These things hold weight!

 

[HTfreak2012]

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I don't care the cost, I want one!

 

[Bullet]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

No disrespect to any collectors, but I kinda wish some of the old timers (Day 1) Rainman collectors would chime in a little more. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians is what I see these days. I'm not singling anyone out either, but I kinda think it's corney to put together a Rainman catalog of figures in half a year and act like an expert. Collections build over time with real reference backing them. I also get peeved at people who are drawn to the films because of his figures! The flavor of the month collector. I'm on the flipside of that coin, The film is my draw to an interesting figure.
If you just popped in this film last week and all of a sudden your a Anton Fan, then your wack!

As far as price is concerned, Well a good determinant of value is if somthing can hold that value. These things hold weight!

Bit harsh don't you think? I didn't realise there was a set criteria for how long a collector has to have liked a movie before he or she is allowed to purchase a figure from it. How long is ok? The day of release in the cinema? Does that qualify me to purchase this figure? How about DVD release date? Or have I not appreciated the film for long enough?

I think its pretty 'wack' you think you have the right to tell anybody what they should or shouldnt be buying tbh. What does it matter if you've liked a movie for just a week or a year if you like the movie you like the movie and your entitled to do whatever you want with your money.

Also does it really matter how long a person has been collecting? Why is someone who has been buying rainman or indeed any custom artists figures since day 1's opinion more important than someone who's been collecting for say a year or two? We all have opinions and we are all entitled to them but sometimes people get so eliteist when it comes to rainman. Just because a figure is expensive or limited does not mean you should have to fill a criteria to buy if you like it buy if you don't then don't.

I would class myself as a fan of rainman I currently own 1 of his full sets and 1 of his head and clothing sets, I have only been collecting for 3-4 years but I get the feeling I may fall into your 'dislike able' categories...

P.S. A pet peeve of mine is starting a sentence with 'no disrespect to any collectors' and then blatantly going on to say disrespectful things....

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

Geez! Take a deep breath Dude! I wasn't pointing any fingers at anyone just expressing a personal opinion "which I'm entitled to". And yes, I think there is a certain criteria you have to meet inorder to bring REAL INTEGRITY into this hobby before you start foaming at the mouth. You obviously don't fit that criteria, so have a seat.

 

[PopCultKid]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

Can I sit down too?

 

[Bullet]

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Geez! Take a deep breath Dude! I wasn't pointing any fingers at anyone just expressing a personal opinion "which I'm entitled to". And yes, I think there is a certain criteria you have to meet to bring REAL INTEGRITY into this hobby before you start foaming at the mouth. You obviously don't fit that criteria, so have a seat.

So I don't fit the criteria to bring integrity to the hobby?

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

So I don't fit the criteria to bring integrity to the hobby?

Well if it walks and talks like a duck....then?

Look, if you feel somekind of way about my comment then that's your business. Ask yourself why you feel so tested by it though!

Haha, I love these little pillow fights before a new figure is revealed!!
I'm bringing my Anton Pillow!

 

[The Bride]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

Bit harsh don't you think? I didn't realise there was a set criteria for how long a collector has to have liked a movie before he or she is allowed to purchase a figure from it. How long is ok? The day of release in the cinema? Does that qualify me to purchase this figure? How about DVD release date? Or have I not appreciated the film for long enough?

I think its pretty 'wack' you think you have the right to tell anybody what they should or shouldnt be buying tbh. What does it matter if you've liked a movie for just a week or a year if you like the movie you like the movie and your entitled to do whatever you want with your money.

Also does it really matter how long a person has been collecting? Why is someone who has been buying rainman or indeed any custom artists figures since day 1's opinion more important than someone who's been collecting for say a year or two? We all have opinions and we are all entitled to them but sometimes people get so eliteist when it comes to rainman. Just because a figure is expensive or limited does not mean you should have to fill a criteria to buy if you like it buy if you don't then don't.

I would class myself as a fan of rainman I currently own 1 of his full sets and 1 of his head and clothing sets, I have only been collecting for 3-4 years but I get the feeling I may fall into your 'dislike able' categories...

P.S. A pet peeve of mine is starting a sentence with 'no disrespect to any collectors' and then blatantly going on to say disrespectful things....

Geez! Take a deep breath Dude! I wasn't pointing any fingers at anyone just expressing a personal opinion "which I'm entitled to". And yes, I think there is a certain criteria you have to meet inorder to bring REAL INTEGRITY into this hobby before you start foaming at the mouth. You obviously don't fit that criteria, so have a seat.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

Well if it walks and talks like a duck....then?

Look, if you feel somekind of way about my comment then that's your business. Ask yourself why you feel so tested by it though.

I feel 'tested' by it because some people consistently state an opinion of entitlement when it comes to the high end custom figures. There just figures man if you like them and can afford them then buy them shouldn't matter if others feel you fit into that die hard criteria. I just think its amusing that you feel the need to try and question my integrity when it comes to certain figures yet I have been on this board 18 months longer than you! Which incidentally is the amount of time you are claiming isn't enough to be allowed to purchase rainman figures.

Are you saying you fall into that category yourself?

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

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You don't even want to see how deep my INTEGRITY flows my friend. It's not about me or you. I just have a genuine respect for the custom side of the hobby, and for me "personally" they have a little more meaning than "just figures". Sorry if I call a spade, a spade.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

You don't even want to see how deep my INTEGRITY flows my friend. It's not about me or you. I just have a genuine respect for the custom side of the hobby, and for me their a little more than "just figures". Sorry if I call a spade, a spade.

No mate I am sorry but as nice as they are and as much as I love collecting them they are just figures. This is not life and death and they are not family members. There are far more important things in life than 1/6th...

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

Get a room you 2

 

[Bullet]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

Going back to something you said earlier I only watched this movie a month or so ago... Loved it but will not be buying this rainman release as I did not 'Love' it enough to pick this guy up.

And like many others on here I can see exactly why rainman figures are $800+ they are masterpieces. I have no doubt Anton will be another home run he just doesn't mean enough to me personally.

So there's a space freed up for one of the die hards Turbo

 

[armysoldier74b]

Re: Rainmans New Project: 'No Country Killer'

No disrespect to any collectors, but I kinda wish some of the old timers (Day 1) Rainman collectors would chime in a little more. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians is what I see these days. I'm not singling anyone out either, but I kinda think it's corney to put together a Rainman catalog of figures in half a year and act like an expert. Collections build over time with real reference backing them. I also get peeved at people who are drawn to the films because of his figures! The flavor of the month collector. I'm on the flipside of that coin, The film is my draw to an interesting figure.
If you just popped in this film last week and all of a sudden your a Anton Fan, then your wack!

As far as price is concerned, Well a good determinant of value is if somthing can hold that value. These things hold weight!

My peeve is following this mystical book called the Rainman Book of Ethics, where I am supposed to abide to certain rules before Its ok to purchase/sell a figure.

Doc Holiday - Never watched it before Rainman announced it. Watched the Movie, liked it, bought it.

Pee Wee- loved it as a kid, waited and waited for its release, wasn't happy with it, sold it.


Been collecting ever since my Godfather showed me his uncirculated solid gold coin collection when I was a kid. 1/6th is not the only things I collect. I also collect paintings, sports memorabilia, comic books, yu-gi-oh cards and statues. Been collecting all things Apple too, but thats unintentional