Recast PFs, IM and dioramas (Xenomorph)

[rabidwolverine21]

i gotta say this kinda stuff makes me want to continue my retirement from collecting that is just wrong on so many levels.

 

[filip629]

Because it is what YOU want, and not what SS wants. So youre the one who's going to have to do something about it.

Nash, what SS or any company wants is too make MONEY. The more the better. Do you really think classic comiquettes of Hulk, Thor, Spidey, or Cap won't sell out?

I'm trying to do something about it. Why do you think I'm discussing it here with you guys. I've also posted in the ask SS section.

For the record, I DO NOT support recasters. However, for someone to say that making all future marvel SS statues PF's will stop recasting is silly.

 

[Icemizer]

Why doesnt SS license someone to keep casting their stuff? Once a statue sells out SS makes no more money on the product, ever. They are done. Sounds like a business opportunity is being lost here and it obviously is because recasts keep getting made and sold at insane prices.
You would of course have to wait say 4-5 years before you recast anything to let the market clear out. SS could license the product and take a percentage of each unit sold. Now SS would be still making money from long retired pieces. People who missed out would have a shot at a legitimate piece and the recast market would shrink a little bit.
Yes I know there would be rights issues from the companies issuing likenessess and things like that but that could all be built into the second release price.

 

[emceerice]

It just seems odd that he finds his way to this thread on the day this comes up.

And posts in the War Machine thread made by Xeno, defending the piece, seemingly as an innoccent customer.

 

[Mesa]

Why doesnt SS license someone to keep casting their stuff? Once a statue sells out SS makes no more money on the product, ever. They are done. Sounds like a business opportunity is being lost here and it obviously is because recasts keep getting made and sold at insane prices.
You would of course have to wait say 4-5 years before you recast anything to let the market clear out. SS could license the product and take a percentage of each unit sold. Now SS would be still making money from long retired pieces. People who missed out would have a shot at a legitimate piece and the recast market would shrink a little bit.
Yes I know there would be rights issues from the companies issuing likenessess and things like that but that could all be built into the second release price.

then it wouldn't be a limited edition collectible, would it?

You should talk to that one dude that supports open ES's or ES's > 5000.

 

[Hew]

And posts in the War Machine thread made by Xeno, defending the piece, seemingly as an innoccent customer.

I call shenanigans on that

 

[Icemizer]

It would be a limited edition collectible. The first release would always be more valuable and is in every other market that makes multiple relases. To ignore a source of revenue that is obviously in demand is poor business. The hard core and specialty collector will always want a first release and pay top dollar to get it. They know what is coming out and when and get what they want within moments of is being put on sale.
In fact SS could then drop the ES's on the first issue even lower making the demand for it even higher and creating more interest in the 2nd issue. Just good business.

 

[Mesa]

It would be a limited edition collectible. The first release would always be more valuable and is in every other market that makes multiple relases. To ignore a source of revenue that is obviously in demand is poor business. The hard core and specialty collector will always want a first release and pay top dollar to get it. They know what is coming out and when and get what they want within moments of is being put on sale.
In fact SS could then drop the ES's on the first issue even lower making the demand for it even higher and creating more interest in the 2nd issue. Just good business.

While we're at it, we could lower the price so every poor little homeless child could afford a highend collectible too.

 

[filip629]

Wow, you're dense.

Premium format statues are what Sideshow chooses to do. If you want a Sideshow Cap in comiquette form, then you have one commissioned.

Well, I guess if you want Wolverine in costume then you can get a commissioned PF. See how that works?

You are the very definition of dense if you think releasing all future marvel statues as PF's will stop recasting.

 

[Skiman]

While we're at it, we could lower the price so every poor little homeless child could afford a highend collectible too.

For da children, please Mesa.... for da children

 

[Chapter 2099]

For da children, please Mesa.... for da children

Did anyone know that Dave here is MY best friend?

 

[Skiman]

Did anyone know that Dave here is MY best friend?

 

[The Mike]

Huh. This is interesting territory here. Let me see if I can break down the understanding.... Sideshow offers a product that is limited to 500. It sells out. One particular collector decides that they don't like PFs so they commission someone to give the same look but completely sculpted, no harm no foul. Now if that person sells that particular item even if its only one, no problem because its a custom piece. Now if someone recasts their own Sideshow piece and paints it themselves for their own personal collection with no intention to sell, still in the green but if someone recasts and paints it but sells it to even one person, huge faux pas. If someone recasts and sells to someone with the illusion that its completely legit even though it isn't, mortal sin.

Am I in the right ballpark here?

 

[Kibishii]

pretty soon these recaster will be making pieces that no one will be able to tell the differance with, then look out.

I, for one, can account to that. My counterfeit IM Comiquette is indistinguishable from an authentic one outside of the aluminum pegs and the round foot peg; if recasters have accounts on boards like this, they will very quickly learn how to make their trash appear even more authentic.

I think the whole point of this thread is that recasters who recast ANY AUTHENTIC piece with the intention of mass producing it sucks sweaty goat balls and anyone who helps or supports recasters joins on that sucking. That said, can we do anything about recasting? Not really; especially not when the recasters are foreign. ANY collections that are worth money, will bring counterfeits. Whether this be artwork, signatures, statues, or even ancient relics. I remember watching a 60 minutes show about this guy who actually MADE ancient Hebrew relics:

[ https://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=320971&sw= ]

Imagine being a collector holding one of his items after you paid several million for it.

 

[Mesa]

Why doesnt SS license someone to keep casting their stuff? Once a statue sells out SS makes no more money on the product, ever. They are done. Sounds like a business opportunity is being lost here and it obviously is because recasts keep getting made and sold at insane prices.
You would of course have to wait say 4-5 years before you recast anything to let the market clear out. SS could license the product and take a percentage of each unit sold. Now SS would be still making money from long retired pieces. People who missed out would have a shot at a legitimate piece and the recast market would shrink a little bit.
Yes I know there would be rights issues from the companies issuing likenessess and things like that but that could all be built into the second release price.

I just remembered his name. You want to speak to "blackthorone." You two think alike.

 

[Darth_Pain]

Just a small note - if anyone can get us solid information to track down these folks, we will gladly pursue them! We have an email setup for this purpose:

[email protected]

You can also private message some of us here on the boards.

I have the actual address somewhere

It's on now, recaster b-tches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TAKE'EM DOWN!!!!!

 

[nash]

It would be a limited edition collectible. The first release would always be more valuable and is in every other market that makes multiple relases. To ignore a source of revenue that is obviously in demand is poor business. The hard core and specialty collector will always want a first release and pay top dollar to get it. They know what is coming out and when and get what they want within moments of is being put on sale.
In fact SS could then drop the ES's on the first issue even lower making the demand for it even higher and creating more interest in the 2nd issue. Just good business.

lol you must be new to this hobby?

I think you are overlooking the meaning and importance of something being "limited". Who gives a flying ^^^^ about first release, second release, one hundredth release.....theyre all going to be the SAME product.

If these statues and items were NOT limited, no one would be paying hundreds of dollars for them. The price point of these includes the fact that these are "limited" to protect your investment as once it is sold out, it is gone forever unless you can get one from someone who has it.

Your "good business" theory shows that you know nothing about business in the high end collectible world.

 

[siren3-4]

We as collectors are going to have to start keeping a pedigree on our items . . receipts and and records of where and when it was purchased to be passed along to any potential buyers . . .

What about an online registry that could be kept on the sideshow site (like some of the threads here) and be kept as an official record for authentic statues . . .

 

[emceerice]

We as collectors are going to have to start keeping a pedigree on our items . . receipts and and records of where and when it was purchased to be passed along to any potential buyers . . .

What about an online registry that could be kept on the sideshow site (like some of the threads here) and be kept as an official record for authentic statues . . .

I made this suggestion a little while back. Totally agree with you. Doesnt hurt anybody and would be an easy sytem for Sideshow to implement. Like pink slips of a car...you sell it to somebody, they get registered as the new owner. That way you always know the current owner of an authentic peice.

 

[Kibishii]

I made this suggestion a little while back. Totally agree with you. Doesnt hurt anybody and would be an easy sytem for Sideshow to implement. Like pink slips of a car...you sell it to somebody, they get registered as the new owner. That way you always know the current owner of an authentic peice.

Sounds like a great idea, but I can see it getting screwed up really fast. Especially when you have items trading hands repeatedly via ebay.