Return of the Tolkien

[darthviper107]

Wasn't the Silmarillion just added some of the things in at the end? Most of it was done right?

He spent like most of his life slowing writing the Silmarillion, and it just happened not to be finished when he died. Now this one I'm kind of concerned about, I wonder how much content was added and how much was original.

 

[puppet pusher]

Here is a link to the new official website of the Tolkien estate, where they give a detailed announcement of the book:

https://www.tolkienestate.com/

It states that ALL the text is by J.R.R.Tolkien himself and Christopher is the editor of the book.

--Chris

 

[Darth Caedus]

Here is a link to the new official website of the Tolkien estate, where they give a detailed announcement of the book:

https://www.tolkienestate.com/

It states that ALL the text is by J.R.R.Tolkien himself and Christopher is the editor of the book.

--Chris

I don't know about that. Both the Silmarillion and the 12 volumes of The History of Middle Earth is mostly written by tolkien. But Christopher Tolkien ediited, wrote some, and arranged the books. So I'm assuming that this new volume being released is just another section of The History of Middle Earth??? Or is it just a standalone book?

 

[Corwin]

I don't know about that. Both the Silmarillion and the 12 volumes of The History of Middle Earth is mostly written by tolkien. But Christopher Tolkien ediited, wrote some, and arranged the books. So I'm assuming that this new volume being released is just another section of The History of Middle Earth??? Or is it just a standalone book?

It will be a standalone book that tells the Tale of the Children of Hurin in full.

So it will I guess be classed as a JRRT novel rather than a Reference book as the HoME series are.

It's likely that anyone who has read The Sil, Unfinished Tales and the segment about Hurin in HoME will have read at least 75% of the text of the book already, the bulk of it in UT (some 100 odd pages) but this will be the first time the story is complete and in one volume.

 

[dfchang]

Sigh . . .

Of all the stories to be given the full treatment, I'm not sure if I'm so thrilled about the Children of Hurin. Of all the Silmarillion I probably enjoyed Turin's self-absorbed and ridiculous lifestory the least. I think Tolkien was trying to channel Greek tragedy with it but it just didn't work for me. I found Turin to be a singularly unpleasant and unsympathetic hero. I won't spoil it for the few here who HAVEN'T read it though.

I would MUCH have preferred either Beren and Luthien or The Fall of Gondolin.

And what exactly does the Children of Hurin include? Obviously Turin Turambar but anything else? It's been awhile and my memory has gotten a bit rusty.

Dennis

 

[Beren]

Sigh . . .

Of all the stories to be given the full treatment, I'm not sure if I'm so thrilled about the Children of Hurin. Of all the Silmarillion I probably enjoyed Turin's self-absorbed and ridiculous lifestory the least. I think Tolkien was trying to channel Greek tragedy with it but it just didn't work for me. I found Turin to be a singularly unpleasant and unsympathetic hero. I won't spoil it for the few here who HAVEN'T read it though.

I would MUCH have preferred either Beren and Luthien or The Fall of Gondolin.

And what exactly does the Children of Hurin include? Obviously Turin Turambar but anything else? It's been awhile and my memory has gotten a bit rusty.

Dennis

Well lessee... the book will most likely include Hurin's history, not just that of his children. The battles of Hurin, his heroism leading to capture by Morgoth's orcs, the story of Turin, of his sister and mother, Nienor/Niniel and Morwen. Then after Turin and Niniel's story ends, it should continue with The Wanderings of Hurin, when Morgoth releases Hurin and the evil that Hurin brings with him unintended. Up until Hurin slaying Mim the Dwarf and bringing the hoards of treasures and the Nauglamir to King Thingol in Menegroth. This part, the confrontation of Hurin and Thingol was apparently never written by JRRT but you know what? I don't find much wrong with his son Christopher filling in the blanks. If there is anybody on this planet equipped to do so, it's him. So if he can provide us with an "ultimate version" of the stories that JRRT was working on until he died, I'm all for it.

I just finished reading vol 11 of HoME, where a large portion is about Hurin and co. (God, one more book to go, took 2 years to slug through them all...)In one of the previous books there was also a lot more embellishment on the Fall of Gondolin. So I'm all for him making "ultimate versions" of Beren and Luthien, Gondolin/Tuor/Turgon, Nargothrond. Heck, he should make the books "The First Age" and "The Second Age"!

Beren

 

[Radagaster]

Wow. All this talk of embellishing stories makes me think that PJ could officially retire in the capacity of being Tolkine's personal movie counterpart! If the book comes out and it's all good, then after The Hobbit, this can possibly be the next one to make! Unless of course none here felt it's worth it.

 

[gtb]

Wow. All this talk of embellishing stories makes me think that PJ could officially retire in the capacity of being Tolkine's personal movie counterpart! If the book comes out and it's all good, then after The Hobbit, this can possibly be the next one to make! Unless of course none here felt it's worth it.

yep... making the HOME into mini series...

 

[lcummins]

It is available for pre-order at Amazon in a regular and deluxe version!

Children of Hurin

Regular is $17.61 and deluxe is $100.

 

[Darth Caedus]

The Children of Hurin probably won't JUST be about Hurin's Children. Remember ALL dwarves were called the Children of Durin. So I suppose following this logic, this book will be ALL about men in middle earth. Probably their origins, major events, downfalls, and what they were at the start of the 4th age. hopefully it will go more in depth when discussing the Numenorians, I always found that Atlantis analogy quite fascinating.

 

[Corwin]

The Children of Hurin probably won't JUST be about Hurin's Children. Remember ALL dwarves were called the Children of Durin. So I suppose following this logic, this book will be ALL about men in middle earth. Probably their origins, major events, downfalls, and what they were at the start of the 4th age. hopefully it will go more in depth when discussing the Numenorians, I always found that Atlantis analogy quite fascinating.

Eh No.

It's a Novel (and tells the specific story of the children of Hurin) not a reference book giving the history of men in Muddle Earth.

 

[carbo-fation]

Whatever it is, I want to read it, now!

 

[Darth Caedus]

Eh No.

It's a Novel (and tells the specific story of the children of Hurin) not a reference book giving the history of men in Muddle Earth.

Why would it be part of the History of Middle Earth Series if it is in individual novel? From what I know, which could be wrong (forgive me if I am wrong), but the rest of the 11 books in the History Series have been reference books. So are you positive that it is an individual novel? Because Chris. Tolkien usually took background information written by his father and organized it into the 11 History Books we already have. Did JRR Tolkien write a novel that was never published ? or did Chris. write this one by himself with parts written by his father?

 

[Corwin]

Looking back I see I've already told you it was a novel

https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232563&postcount=24

Have you not read any of the links provided?

For example

Christopher Tolkien has now succeeded in assembling the multiple variants, unfinished pieces, and outlines of the tale to produce a standalone and complete version, entirely in the author's original words. The work therefore is accessible both as a new and complete version of the text for the Tolkien scholar, and as an entirely new tale from Middle-earth for the Tolkien reader who is not familiar with the great tales and mythology that are the roots of « The Lord of the Rings ».

https://www.tolkienestate.com/