Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[abake]

Relaxed attitudes toward sex have created all the ills you describe and the ills you describe create relaxed attitudes towards sex. So you are both wrong and right. But some people will insist on ignoring where they are wrong because it justifies them in their own attitudes and actions.

I think this is a case of which was first, the chicken or the egg...
I believe that if you have better education in general, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to have a relaxed attitude towards sex.
But, to have access to a good education you need a whole lot of other things to work...

Anyway, back to movies and space battles!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Rogue One is a very good prequel yes. The only one made infact

Indeed it is!

It's so good that it won me a $20 wager from a friend who, like a few Freaks here, was hollering that it would suck.


He saw RO and finally admitted that he thought it was good.

 

[ShadowX81]

Premarital sex is still frowned upon?

To Mormons such as myself, yes.

We see it as the equivalent of doing to the soul what a diet of candy bars and heroin does to the body. Momentarily very fun but long term very unhealthy and unrewarding. And with increasingly diminishing results.

However today's attitudes (and the ones depicted in media) tlean more towards entitlement to instant gratification, usually at the expense of long term happiness and overall life satisfaction. Viewing any self restraint or consistant moral code as practically oppressive.

 

[rivera2171]

Late to the party. Just saw it today. So awesome; 100% Star Wars. Fits right in to the beginning of Episode IV. RO is now Ep.III for me. JJ who? TFA What?
Oh yeah and that Darth Vader scene at the end...Damn.

 

[xipotec]

Something I find funny is that all these franchises have been pushing their gay/feminist agendas yet the X-Men films which would be the perfect franchise to push that, hasn't at all

This is my biggest problem with this conversation.....who exactly is pushing it? If by pushing it you mean NOT ignoring the fact that there are billions of people in the world who lead different lives than the majority of Americans...then I guess they are.

To me its just showing diversity in what is a VERY diverse world....like it or not. If you put a Muslim Character or Hindu or Catholic Priest as a major hero character...are you pushing an agenda then? If having a specific character in a movie is pushing an agenda, the the white/Christian agenda is been pushed for far longer.

Picked up the novelization. No mention of Chirrut and Baze being a couple. Phew. It's specifically called out that they see each other as brothers. And the film does not show any indication that they are anything else.

Well of course not.......it's never even remotely implied in the film...

Far to often the people who see a Gay/feminist agenda are the people looking for one, so they can complain about it, and voice their opinions on the matter. (biggest example was Ghostbusters this year) The rest of us just enjoy the movie (well maybe not in that case). Reminds me of the Salem witch trials....people see what they fear.

EVERYONE is entitled to their beliefs and opinion and are free to express those beliefs and opinions so long as it harms no one else directly. But sometimes people blow things way out of proportion so they can have a pulpit on which to lecture other on the correct way to live.

I think the next time we visit this topic should be when a SW character says they are gay or a gay love scene is shown.....until then people should keep their conspiracy theories to themselves.

 

[pixletwin]

That was pretty nasty.

 

[Khev]

Yep, inflammatory post deleted.

 

[GasparZizou]

This is my biggest problem with this conversation.....who exactly is pushing it? If by pushing it you mean NOT ignoring the fact that there are billions of people in the world who lead different lives than the majority of Americans...then I guess they are.

To me its just showing diversity in what is a VERY diverse world....like it or not. If you put a Muslim Character or Hindu or Catholic Priest as a major hero character...are you pushing an agenda then? If having a specific character in a movie is pushing an agenda, the the white/Christian agenda is been pushed for far longer.

People think just having diverse characters means it's automatically pushing something.

Not so, if you have a character that has real characterization, people don't give a **** if they're gay, black, muslim or a combination, but if there's a character whose sole purpose is literally to be there to act as strawman in favor of something, with literally no character behind it, or if a certain socio-political cause is openly pushed by creators, either to boost promotion or whatever, that is when people complain.

Far to often the people who see a Gay/feminist agenda are the people looking for one, so they can complain about it, and voice their opinions on the matter.

This is false. You'll notice that people tried to call Fury Road a feminist movie and it didn't stick...

If anything, it's the other way around, it's fairly common to see people making up fake narratives, for instance, if you didn't like Ghostbusters because it was bad and it was obviously pushing an agenda, that means you hate women, those are also easy to spot.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Momentarily very fun but long term very unhealthy and unrewarding. And with increasingly diminishing results.

Sex is good for your heart, and lifelong health. Regardless if you're married or not before you do it.

In fact, it also promotes lower blood pressure, stress relief and has a chance to reduce prostate cancer.

was this post un-flammatory enough? or does blatant fact piss you guys off too?

 

[xipotec]

People think just having diverse characters means it's automatically pushing something.

Agreed.

If anything, it's the other way around, it's fairly common to see people making up fake narratives, for instance, if you didn't like Ghostbusters because it was bad and it was obviously pushing an agenda, that means you hate women, those are also easy to spot.

I think it goes both ways actually (and no that's not a veiled reference to push a bi sexual agenda).

To me , I never saw any agenda in GB. It was just bad.

BUT people might say I was being a caveman and didn't like it because women were the leads.Therefor I am Misogynistic.
OTHER, People could say they SAW and agenda in the film, and didn't like it because they do not like the feminist agenda being pushed in the film...

It all depends on your position before seeing the film.

I personally think the latter is much more common place, but that probably due to my views on these things to start with. I have never felt any film was trying to sell me a lifestyle or make choices for me or my family in a moral sense. We have our own moral sense and films do not dictate any change in them what so ever.

(BTW , I think Fury Road was viewed by many as feminist....I was not one of them.)

 

[pixletwin]

Sex is good for your heart, and lifelong health. Regardless if you're married or not before you do it.

In fact, it also promotes lower blood pressure, stress relief and has a chance to reduce prostate cancer.

was this post un-flammatory enough? or does blatant fact piss you guys off too?

No one has said sex is bad. So the premise of your post is irrelevant and falls flat.

C'mon Zach. I like you, but your original post was blatantly insulting and had nothing of "blatant facts" about it. It was a **** post. I have made enough of those myself so I know one when I see it.

 

[GasparZizou]

To me , I never saw any agenda in GB. It was just bad.

BUT people might say I was being a caveman and didn't like it because women were the leads.Therefor I am Misogynistic.
OTHER, People could say they SAW and agenda in the film, and didn't like it because they do not like the feminist agenda being pushed in the film...

But you see, there was an agenda with Ghostbusters, this is fact, that thing you say, it's exactly what happened.

They cooked up a narrative that if you didn't like the look of GB from the trailers, then you were either a misogynist, a manchild or a trump supporter, again, this is fact, and they used this faux controversy to boost promotion, to the point that it was a "social duty" to see this movie to stick it to the man, or else...

It all depends on your position before seeing the film.

Not always, it's a trend nowadays that creators actively try to push these things, it's not a secret. That agenda pushing thing is not just a meme, it's a trend and it's actually happening.

For instance, those claims of the writers that Rogue One was charged with political stuff turned up to be nothing, and Disney knew that this stuff can turn people away these days, and the main dude came and said there was no political agenda in RO.

But then you take a look at Marvel comics, and you'll see moer often than not, it's actual agenda pushing.

(BTW , I think Fury Road was viewed by many as feminist....I was not one of them.)

I wouldn't say many, a few people momentarily tried to make it a thing but it didn't catch up.

 

[spindrift]

This is doing great and it will do better due to Carrie's passing and renewed SW interest....you can bet EP VIII will be unbeatable with her last performance. Sad but true...

 

[ShadowX81]

Sex is good for your heart, and lifelong health. Regardless if you're married or not before you do it.

In fact, it also promotes lower blood pressure, stress relief and has a chance to reduce prostate cancer.

was this post un-flammatory enough? or does blatant fact piss you guys off too?

I'm not fighting, nor am I pissed off.

And yes, il aknowledge that it does relieve stress as well as all of the benefits that come with reducing stress. The same exact effect that anything else on this planet that makes you happy does.

But it's also been proven that the dopamine and serotonin flood to your system that happens during it is like any other drug, with diminishing results every time it's done. Like I said earlier. It can actually lead to sexual disfunction and possible depression if done too often. It's one of the reasons why more and more neurologists are saying regular pornography use is very bad for you.

This rush of positive emotions was designed to encourage long term bonding with a mate and create a sense of emotional closeness.

If you hold different beliefs and views than me then that is fine. But I'm just explaining mine, and cautioning against dismissing the idea that no one is against premarital sex anymore. Because alot of us are still out there.

 

[xipotec]

No one has said sex is bad. So the premise of your post is irrelevant and falls flat.

C'mon Zach. I like you, but your original post was blatantly insulting and had nothing of "blatant facts" about it. It was a **** post. I have made enough of those myself so I know one when I see it.

 

[pixletwin]

 

[xipotec]

But you see, there was an agenda with Ghostbusters, this is fact, that thing you say, it's exactly what happened.

They cooked up a narrative that if you didn't like the look of GB from the trailers, then you were either a misogynist, a manchild or a trump supporter, again, this is fact, and they used this faux controversy to boost promotion, to the point that it was a "social duty" to see this movie to stick it to the man, or else...

Sorry didn't see an agenda....I saw people trying to make up a reason for people not liking a film.....thats more of an excuse than agenda to me.

Definition of agenda
1
: a list or outline of things to be considered or done <agendas of faculty meetings>
2
: an underlying often ideological plan or program <a political agenda>

An Agenda to me, is a purposeful pre-meditated, display designed to elicit a response in the population its given too.

Now, if you tell me they made GB with the intention of making a bad movie that people would hate STRICTLY so they could call people out as Misogynists, then I would agree that would be an agenda. I do not think thats what they did. But no offense, that line of thought enters the tin foil hat range to me.

 

[TonTon]

 

[ZaCHw117]

No one has said sex is bad. So the premise of your post is irrelevant and falls flat.

you missed this then?

Momentarily very fun but long term very unhealthy and unrewarding. And with increasingly diminishing results.

and in regard, yes i can see how my post was harsh. but wasn't aimed towards you.

And yes, il aknowledge that it does relieve stress as well as all of the benefits that come with reducing stress. The same exact effect that anything else on this planet that makes you happy does.

But it's also been proven that the dopamine and serotonin flood to your system that happens during it is like any other drug, with diminishing results every time it's done. Like I said earlier. It can actually lead to sexual disfunction and possible depression if done too often. It's one of the reasons why more and more neurologists are saying regular pornography use is very bad for you.

so you're not going to acknowledge any of the other benefits? just that it makes you happy? keep in mind these are scientific facts. it seems you don't know the difference between a healthy sex life and hypersexuality. like the act automatically makes you dependent on sex or life won't be "pure"?

also there's a major difference between porn and sex. and the ease of access. there's nothing wrong with waiting until you're ready or when your POV allows you to. but to call premarital sex unhealthy is just plain unintelligent and very naive.

 

[ZaCHw117]