Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Well, after TFA hit $2 billion last year, ESPN (Disney) fired 10% of its workforce, so I wouldn't be surprised.

No matter their public statement the reality is if one SW movie makes 2 billion then so should the next one.

If it doesn't they're immediately trying to figure out why and then immediately eliminate that why when the find it, someone will be to blame make no mistake about it.

They don't make movies for it to make less than the previous one, that is a critical fail in their minds.
 
'Cuz they treated it as just a "Star Wars Story". They should never have expected it to perform as well as the first new episode/ OT reunion.

There was nowhere near as much marketing for RO as there was for TFA. I remember being absolutely sick of seeing it everywhere. :lol
 
(At least George ruined important characters ;) )

True. :monkey3

On a somewhat related note I did revisit all three prequels (first time since before TFA came out) at the request of my daughter. I still have a certain nostalgia for the look and feel of TPM and watching it does take me back to all of the PT pre-hype which was a lot of fun. Other than kid Anakin and a too long running time it really is quite watchable as a "throwback to 1999" movie.

Maul seems less cool after Vader in RO but he's still fun to watch.

AOTC is just an abomination. The only way I even survived it was by basically Mystery Science Theater 3000ing it. When Shmi Skywalker was buried my daughter asked me why there were two other gravestones. I said who knows, some other family members or something. And she jokingly replied, "So what's the small one for, his leg?" (referring to Clieg Lars) I laughed out loud, high fived her and we were able to endure the rest in a pretty jovial mood.

ROTS has a pretty cool mood to it, too bad about all the poor dialogue and overuse of CGI because it could have been decent. I actually was able to get into it as its own little thing apart from the rest of the post-PT saga. Grievous was more fun to watch than I had remembered. Palpatine's quiet scenes were pretty cool but his fighting and cackling moments were just terrible.

It cracked me up just how much the Jedi twisted the "you're not a master" knife with Anakin. After his outburst in response to being denied the title even though he had a seat on the Council then a few scenes later he's all, "Well Palpatine thinks I should be the one to bring Grievous in." And then Yoda goes, "Someone with more experience should do it, a master. Which I suppose would mean pretty much everyone else in the room but you." :lol

I really like the performances and music during the "Anakin's the father isn't he, I'm so sorry" scene. All the worst scenes are still just as bad as they ever were though, none of them have gotten better with time.
 
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I really like the performances and music during the "Anakin's the father isn't he, I'm so sorry" scene. All the worst scenes are still just as bad as they ever were though, none of them have gotten better with time.

I also enjoyed the music and emotion during the scene where Anakin and Padme are staring towards each other across Coruscant.

Also, as an interesting aside, when I just googled "Coruscant" to make sure I was spelling it correctly, it showed the definition of it as a real word. It means "glittering, sparkling". I never knew that, and it seems fitting considering the cityscape usually shown.
 
I think another $100 million worldwide is unlikely. RO will have to settle for the silver. Domestically though I am curious to see if it'll gross another $23 million to surpass The Dark Knight for the #6 all time slot on that list.



Agreed. Hopefully Disney sticks to more "replacement prequels," right Prime Clone? :rock

Won't make 23 million more- TDK is safe for now:lol


Yes I'm sure Disney is upset it only will make a billion worldwide- it's SW- why not more??:rotfl I see diminishing returns starting with The Last Jedi...it will be bigger than RO but not get near TFA.
 
True. :monkey3

On a somewhat related note I did revisit all three prequels (first time since before TFA came out) at the request of my daughter. I still have a certain nostalgia for the look and feel of TPM and watching it does take me back to all of the PT pre-hype which was a lot of fun. Other than kid Anakin and a too long running time it really is quite watchable as a "throwback to 1999" movie.

Maul seems less cool after Vader in RO but he's still fun to watch.

AOTC is just an abomination. The only way I even survived it was by basically Mystery Science Theater 3000ing it. When Shmi Skywalker was buried my daughter asked me why there were two other gravestones. I said who knows, some other family members or something. And she jokingly replied, "So what's the small one for, his leg?" (referring to Clieg Lars) I laughed out loud, high fived her and we were able to endure the rest in a pretty jovial mood.

ROTS has a pretty cool mood to it, too bad about all the poor dialogue and overuse of CGI because it could have been decent. I actually was able to get into it as its own little thing apart from the rest of the post-PT saga. Grievous was more fun to watch than I had remembered. Palpatine's quiet scenes were pretty cool but his fighting and cackling moments were just terrible.

It cracked me up just how much the Jedi twisted the "you're not a master" knife with Anakin. After his outburst in response to being denied the title even though he had a seat on the Council then a few scenes later he's all, "Well Palpatine thinks I should be the one to bring Grievous in." And then Yoda goes, "Someone with more experience should do it, a master. Which I suppose would mean pretty much everyone else in the room but you." :lol

I really like the performances and music during the "Anakin's the father isn't he, I'm so sorry" scene. All the worst scenes are still just as bad as they ever were though, none of them have gotten better with time.



Kudos to you for giving them another chance. You've earned your prequel deniability!
 
Kudos to you for giving them another chance. You've earned your prequel deniability!

:yess: :lol

Believe me, it'd be great if I could just accept every official SW release as another valid entry in the grand saga of SW. But there's just too much retconning that I *know* happened, and I can't accept it if it's retconning for the worse when I don't need to. I stomached the PT and SE's for years because they were shoved down our throats as the only available versions after laserdisc and VHS went extinct. But I don't have to anymore. I've got the unspoiled OT and now I get to be very selective with what I think earns entry into that particular saga.

Now if you like the PT without reservation, or like them with reservations but want to be a loyal corporate consumer then yeah, take the company line that it all fits together and make sure you pick up all the Visual Guides from Pablo what's his name in order to make sense of it all. But to me combining the PT and OT is a bit like combining Freddy and Jason or ALIEN and Predator. Sure there's official theatrical releases literally linking all the characters owned by the respective studios together but I never allow for that nonsense in Antarctica with the Predators to be backstory to ALIENS. Not remotely. I don't care if both films feature Weyland-Yutani and Lance Henriksen and were released by Fox. It just isn't enough.

And that's how I see the OT and PT.
 
I guess each of us has the luxury of picking and choosing what fits our "certain point of view". I'm all-in with the PT, ST, anthology and new canon comics etc.

Funnily enough I probably gave the PT too easy a pass because it's Star Wars, while others were too hard on it cos it's Star Wars. The reality, as always, is probably somewhere in between.
 
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I guess each of us has the luxury of picking and choosing what fits our "certain point of view". I'm all-in with the PT, ST, anthology and new canon comics etc.

Hey that's great man and don't think that in my mind I have this haughty taughty superior way of looking at silly space movies. I include ROTJ in my "canon" which many people, both diehard SW fans and casual movie goers alike, think is a pretty lame movie. But I have my reasons for liking and accepting it while also understanding while others wouldn't.

I am curious though as to why you have often in the past been so quick to remind everyone of what Disney/LFL considers canon. Is your version of the saga threatened when others are vocal about dismissing major portions of it? I just wonder because dismissing sequels/prequels is not an unusual thing. Pretty much every franchise goes bad sooner or later and legions of fans ignore movies x, y, and z while accepting a, b, and c. And no one cares if a supporting character from a movie they accept appears in one they don't. Unless films are made back to back (LOTR) or with some meta-narrative in mind (MCU) then it's pretty common to have a bit of a hodge podge franchise that only fits together if the individual viewer wants it to.

I know you've said "Well Disney has a permanent story group that connects all films, books, comics, and TV episodes which is unprecedented." And to that I say so what. It still doesn't make the franchise any different than any other with regard for it's potential to go off the rails with certain entries which in turn makes those entries subject to dismissal. The only reason there is this big "story group" at LFL is because of their desire to milk the property through media other than films. They want every consumer to feel that every comic book, TV character, movie, novel and so on is absolutely indispensable so that you'll purchase them. That's all.

Other franchises that aren't worldwide phenomenons just let the films speak for themselves and they don't make a big deal about what audiences accept or don't accept as long as you purchase a ticket. But since SW doesn't end the moment you leave the theater and instead continues on in your book and comic store and on your television at home Disney sure as heck wants you to sign up for the whole deal. But it is just merchandising. That's it. And for people like me who don't care about all the comics and things we get to instead simply buy our movie tickets and our blu-rays and go "this fits, this doesn't" just like any other film franchise.
 
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Example:

Canon:
Alien
Aliens
Terminator
Terminator 2
Die Hard


Alternate fact Non-Canon (or fan ignored because they suck):
any other aliens
any other Terminator
Any other Die Hard (maybe 3 gets a pass)
 
Won't make 23 million more- TDK is safe for now:lol


Yes I'm sure Disney is upset it only will make a billion worldwide- it's SW- why not more??:rotfl I see diminishing returns starting with The Last Jedi...it will be bigger than RO but not get near TFA.

It will make another $23 million, no doubt about that.

It will take time, but it will be in theaters for awhile before its home video release.

It will also end its release in the top 20 All-time Worldwide grossers.
 
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I am curious though as to why you have often in the past been so quick to remind everyone of what Disney/LFL considers canon. Is your version of the saga threatened when others are vocal about dismissing major portions of it?

I'm absolutely fine with any given fan having their own personal canon, heck, I used to pick and choose from the old EU myself. I was just reacting to suggestions that Disney were retconning the prequels out of existence, when LFL's public statements (not to mention the new movies themselves) suggest the exact opposite.


But since SW doesn't end the moment you leave the theater and instead continues on in your book and comic store and on your television at home Disney sure as heck wants you to sign up for the whole deal. But it is just merchandising. That's it.

I prefer to think of the books and comics as an extension of the storytelling. Sure, they're not essential to the main saga (just as the anthology films aren't), but they help flesh out the universe for those who want it.

Back in the OT era, getting a monthly fix of SW from Marvel was the next best thing to getting a new movie!
 
I am happy Rogue One crossed the new finishing line. I hope it inspires more "one-offs" rather than more Skywalker trilogies.

I am sad that the new line seems to be 2 billion.

Inflation it is a *****. Future movies will make more once the theaters start charging us 30 bucks a ticket


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I'm ok with RO beating out CW for VE, RO didn't disappoint in that department.

Where CW should win is fight/stunt/action choreography.

That would make more sense.
 
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