Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Taibane is right though, very jarring going from one to the other.

From RO Yavin to SW Yavin? Not for me when watching them back to back. The skeleton crew at the beginning of the movie when Jyn was interrogated was pretty much all white (Cassian notwithstanding but we know why HE wasn't in ANH, lol.) Leaders of other ethnicities (like Bail and the rest) seemed to come and go only when an important meeting was to take place.

It is what it is given the wildly different times each film was made and I think they're doing as good a job as they can with working in more diversity into the existing saga.
 
Any time I see a female in Star Wars I say to myself: Hey there's another one. But I come from the original Star Wars where Leia was the only woman in the galaxy.

Today, in movies, when I see a boy who's the hero I say to myself: hey, there's another one.
 
Any time I see a female in Star Wars I say to myself: Hey there's another one. But I come from the original Star Wars where Leia was the only woman in the galaxy.

Today, in movies, when I see a boy who's the hero I say to myself: hey, there's another one.

Yes, when I see the new Han Solo next year, I'll say to myself: hey, there's another one :lol
 
Seeing new races/genders popping up in SW is part of the fun IMO and not at all jarring in a bad way. I mean Luke went from being trained by a white guy in one movie to a green frog in the next so a chick or two flying X-Wings isn't that big a deal to me. :D

I always noticed the Asian Y-Wing pilot in ROTJ ("there's too many of them!") and black X-Wing pilot ("she's gonna blow!") though none of them really compare to the female A-Wing pilot dubbed by a man. :lol

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Seeing new races/genders popping up in SW is part of the fun IMO and not at all jarring in a bad way. I mean Luke went from being trained by a white guy in one movie to a green frog in the next so a chick or two flying X-Wings isn't that big a deal to me. :D

Yep, and this year we're going see Luke being trained by a millennial chick. :D

I bet you never thought you'd see that.
 
It's fascinating that you're really not supposed to talk about this stuff, much less analyze it. So... let's analyze it.:lol


It's interesting that we accept the significant cultural diversity added to the OT Rebellion but would likely not accept it in the OT Empire (though interestingly, diversity was clearly evident in the First Order in TFA.) I mean it's a Galaxy far far away so anything should go, right? But obviously in the OT, we're in WWII. The Rebels are symbolically the Allies, and the Empire symbolically is the Nazis - obviously in ideologies but made specific by costume. The Rebels are "us" - the good guys, the Allies/Alliance.

But if you take that approach it gets tricky... pretty much all the allied forces were white male, certainly 100% in leadership roles from all Allied nations, and for most of the war all Allied nations firmly resisted allowing people of color to serve - with some notable exceptions, but usually when they were in a serious manpower pinch and had no choice (and often "colonial forces.") But surprisingly on the other side the Nazis, despite their evil racist ideology, fully accepted the non-white Japanese as their Axis allies, and for example sheltered Muslim leaders who were enemies of the British and trained Muslim soldiers to fight in the German Army.

So overall ideologies aside (and the Imperial British ideology of the time was more than a little questionable,) in terms of diversity, it's uncomfortable to see that the Nazis and the Allies were actually probably more equal than you'd believe.

After all, the British - the lead nation of the Allies and most significantly the basis for SW's Rebellion in terms of costume - were just as much a racist "Imperial Empire" (invading/occupying, colonizing, brutalizing people of color etc.) at the time of WWII as the Imperial Empire in SW. Perhaps this is why all Imperial officers MUST have a British accent.:rotfl

So the Empire in SW is an interesting thematic symbol - and part of that construct is clearly race, "whiteness" and the ghosts of a racist past - even if it is pretty divorced from the social realities of the WWII era (even at home.) And it's interesting to see how 2010's era sensibilities have stepped in to tweak the in-universe reality presented in the OT. A common approach in movies is modern sensibilities applied to the past, so maybe that's part of it.

What people forget is that ANH WAS controversial even in 1977 for its no-diversity cast and they are clearly tweaking that to how it should have been (though it could be argued that an all-white cast thematically reflects the truth of WWII being an all-white affair, just shifted to space,) but the actual "rules" they've used to do that are uncomfortable to discuss, because it touches raw nerves of what's going on politically across the Western World - and even in Hollywood itself.


From RO Yavin to SW Yavin? Not for me when watching them back to back. The skeleton crew at the beginning of the movie when Jyn was interrogated was pretty much all white (Cassian notwithstanding but we know why HE wasn't in ANH, lol.) Leaders of other ethnicities (like Bail and the rest) seemed to come and go only when an important meeting was to take place.

It is what it is given the wildly different times each film was made and I think they're doing as good a job as they can with working in more diversity into the existing saga.

What I notice most in terms of the two Yavin bases (besides diversity I mean) is the lack of shower and laundry facilities in the RO base. Sweat and stubble clearly ended as a trend the week before ANH begins.

I like to think the Rebellion opened its doors to Skid Row that week and by the following week when ANH starts, everyone was all scrubbed up, clothes laundered and stubble either shaved or grown into full beards.:lecture
 
Yep, and this year we're going see Luke being trained by a millennial chick. :D

I bet you never thought you'd see that.

:lol

Yep and in Episode 9 she's going to teach the Force how to create life.

And as time has no meaning to the force it applies this lesson to itself in the past to create Anakin Skywalker, Genius!! Rey was the key to it all.
 
TFA got flak for mining too much of ANH in terms of storylines and concepts, but RO had the benefit of being able to "be" ANH because of when/where it's set.

My suspicion is that this formula may be tried again - doing a story that takes place in the weeks before ESB for example, or ESB shown from an Imperial perspective or something - maybe that's the bounty hunters movie. It's what older fans want - the darker and at times brutal tone of the best moments of the OT, and very deeply embedded within that same story timeline everyone is so familiar with.


Kinda an admission that to capture the classic SW spirit, you have to "be" classic SW. Not much room to deviate from the established formula. As mentioned elsewhere, ESB was the last truly original SW movie to capture that spirit.
 
So this is how democracy ends, with thunderous applause.

Lucas right now at home watching the PT:

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Grievance filed with mods for PT microaggression and failure to post a Trigger Warning.

Hopefully an infraction will teach you the great harm your supposed "analysis" and "truth" can inflict.:lecture

:lol


And I urge all Freaks to reward appropriate Signalling of Virtues with Reputation - to send a strong, clear message (thank you in advance.):1-1:
 
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