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so here's the news i got from my source of datong vegeta. it seems that datong will switch their focus on Gokus then release them before Frieza. and another bad move...mario? really? *facepalm*
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Yeah, well, at least that proves datong arent the ones making those horrible Gokus out atm. Still, Goku is readily available everywhere still, especially ssj, so a pointless and silly move for them.
 
Lmao Datong even copies Tamashii's market attitude.

I personally think Peter Jackson is the new Lucas. I loved Lord of the Rings so much, and I utterly despise the hobbit "trilogy" (put as much mocking inflection in that last word as you can imagine).

Put this in spoiler tag cause it's an off topic star wars reply (I mainly hope to hear about it from you Bardoon):
I don't entirely agree lucas forgot what it was about entirely, what he forgets is that it became something for people on its own and he doesn't stay in touch with that. And I mainly mean editing the OG trilogy and people experiencing star wars as a scifi western, when even mark hamill himself said that in its thematic core star wars is more fantasy, a fairytale, than anything else. The PT have their own problems, mainly Lucas' directing, but for those who've played any of Bioware's star wars games, you'll know how brilliant the lore the PT added can be fused with the style of the OT, and ironically Bioware shows the world of star wars in its entirety better than Lucas has.

I don't agree with people that think Star Wars is per definition only what the original trilogy projects, I'm sorry but that's ********. Many of the things the PT focussed on existed in the OT already. But a writer also simply has the right to expand his world, or extrapolate and focus on different aspects of it, even if you don't like that. To say that Lucas has forgotten what his own creation is about is too arrogant and also just not entirely true. Lucas isn't in touch with what fans particularly appreciated about the OT, that is much more the source of the problem and that's partly due to the fact that Lucas had a lot of stuff in mind for his universe that he couldn't do with the OT. The hate towards Lucas has become partly irrational and unfair.

The fact that his attempt to do the things in the PT he couldn't in the OT, was a very flawed attempt that was quite out of touch with as I said what many fans appreciated about the OT, doesn't make it less star wars. It just makes it less good and/or not appealing to many.

But I'm sorry, some OT purists are too arrogant imo. Yes I know we all hate midichlorians, that doesn't suddenly give you the high ground to think you know someone's creation better than he himself does. You just don't like where he took it, and where he shifted the focus to, as well as how he executed it. But Lucas made star wars and many PT ideas he already had during the OT, and many of them combine very well. You might have liked Han Solo more, but star wars was and has always been about the Force and creating a mythical exploration of good and evil in its core, within a scifi setting.

Everyone has all the right in the world to despite and loathe the PT as much as you want, but that still doesn't give you the high ground to say that it's less star wars and that you know how star wars should be better than Lucas. It's less like the star wars YOU KNEW, that's something different.

I myself dislike a lot of things Lucas has done post-OT release, but say he forgot what his creation was ABOUT is utter BS.
 
Tbh I like all star wars, good or bad, and I personally didnt mind the prequels. They are from a different era, they are supposed to feel different. Sure, Lucas could have toned down the comedy, but thats what his OG vision entailed. Same with the changes he made to 4-6, thats how he originally envisioned them, but we are so attached to the first versions we feel that, no matter how good the change is, it still doesnt compare to what we remember from our childhood.
 
The fact that his attempt to do the things in the PT he couldn't in the OT, was a very flawed attempt that was quite out of touch with as I said what many fans appreciated about the OT, doesn't make it less star wars. It just makes it less good and/or not appealing to many.

I totally understand his want to remaster the reel and sharpen the film's visual effects, however I think most people hava a problem with the new trilogy because it's so thematically different, employing many story details that were created by authors of the star wars novels. And Lucas is and always has been an impatient director. He rushes through production to get to post because he hates people and the world. Lucas is content with crafting the entire film in the editing room. Good performances from your actors? Eh dont worry about it... just cover em' up with CGI. It's no surprise that the best star wars by far (from a technical and storytelling pov) is the only one he didn't direct. The OT's remastering (or whatever you call that awful cgi jabba) betrays the original. George has less respect for his own work than most of his fans. It's his overall lack of respect for anyone or anything that irritates me. He's a turd.

Okay. Back to dbz now.
 
^See, I can understand that. I have no issues with you saying that, even though my feelings about it are more nuanced (like Big D's). Btw Lucas didn't direct ROTJ either.

I don't know if Toriyama is anime's Lucas. I think it holds up the most in terms of not being that in touch with the entirety of its fanbase, BUT, it's kindof an unfair comparison, because Toriyama has a franchise that's pretty damn effected by its western version. And I have no idea how the japanese percieve what he does.

So I feel like the parallel from a western pov doesn't hold up.
 
So after really wanting a Cell and Frieza but not wanting to spend $300+ on them, I decided to buy the "SH FIGUARTS LOT" off ebay from China.

For $20, these aren't that bad. See my favorite ones below. I'll also be using the Gohan until the new pre-order one comes out. With a repaint and some slight modding, the 2x Cells and Frieza can be pretty nice. If anything though, these figures are great for doing customs. See the pics below. They both even come with removable arms for the fold across the chest look. The scale is perfect, Frieza also comes with 2 other heads, hands and grip feet.

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^See, I can understand that. I have no issues with you saying that, even though my feelings about it are more nuanced (like Big D's). Btw Lucas didn't direct ROTJ either.

I don't know if Toriyama is anime's Lucas. I think it holds up the most in terms of not being that in touch with the entirety of its fanbase, BUT, it's kindof an unfair comparison, because Toriyama has a franchise that's pretty damn effected by its western version. And I have no idea how the japanese percieve what he does.

So I feel like the parallel from a western pov doesn't hold up.

Good catch on ROTJ. Lucas was probably locked away in his basement by that point, coddling a bull whip, dressed in only a fedora.

It's not that I think the Lucas/Toriyama parallel is that strong. It's more that sometimes both of them make me think, "Why do I love your things more than you do?"
 
Toriyama has done some Lucas-esque editing though. For instance, entirely switching up the details of Goku's origin in his Dragon Ball Minus manga special. And apparently reviving Frieza in the new movie when it's been well established in DB lore that the Dragon Balls can't resurrect anybody that's been dead for a year or longer. So yeah.
 
I personally think Peter Jackson is the new Lucas. I loved Lord of the Rings so much, and I utterly despise the hobbit "trilogy" (put as much mocking inflection in that last word as you can imagine).

Btw, I couldn't agree with you more.
 
Toriyama has done some Lucas-esque editing though. For instance, entirely switching up the details of Goku's origin in his Dragon Ball Minus manga special. And apparently reviving Frieza in the new movie when it's been well established in DB lore that the Dragon Balls can't resurrect anybody that's been dead for a year or longer. So yeah.

I read Dragon Ball Minus recently. I got to the end and thought, "why...?" It just convolutes major plot points in dragon ball.
 
@Fathotel Viggo Mortensen nailed it when he spoke about it.

Toriyama has done some Lucas-esque editing though. For instance, entirely switching up the details of Goku's origin in his Dragon Ball Minus manga special. And apparently reviving Frieza in the new movie when it's been well established in DB lore that the Dragon Balls can't resurrect anybody that's been dead for a year or longer. So yeah.

That first thing apparently, yes, but the latter thing seems pure speculation right? It's not known how Frieza returns is it?

If anything it just makes DBZ even more comicbookish.

I think a core difference with star wars is that there is no canon but what one man says. Or rather now, said. It's not an adaptation, it's the direct medium and that medium is movies, not printed material.

DBZ is in essence a comic book franchise, and especially western CB fans are much more used to canon being something that can both alter and also doesn't necessarily have to matter that much. Whereas when Greedo shot first, everyone experienced that as if their Han Solo was wiped out of existence and the original scene was simply labeled 'wrong'.

That's something that's less radical with adapted material. I don't care what Toriyama does if it goes against the things I'm a fan of, I don't care about Kai either. Because I have my adaptation of the franchise in the original dubs. Even moreso for comics.

Lucas messed around in a different medium and the response was accordingly much more radical. ESPECIALLY because he refused to release the OG theatrical version, which I think is an utter **** move for people. At that point you're not just correcting your own material, you're trying to correct other people's experience, and that's that disrespectful step too far imo.
 
Frieza returns through a wish made by Earth's Dragon Balls. We don't know anything more after that. I'm interested to see if Toriyama will bring his Androids/Cell Saga A-Game or continue with his lower tier writing from the Buu Saga and Battle of Gods.

Edited: @Xerowolf, I've never seen up close pictures of that set. They're not as bad as I thought they were. If you can remember, post some picture after your modifications! It'll be cool to see the before and after of these figures.
 
@Fathotel Viggo Mortensen nailed it when he spoke about it.

I thought Viggo handled that question well; as well as a man who's completely disappointed in a franchise in which he was a major player. It's pretty bad when even your lead actors are telling you to pull it back.

Lucas messed around in a different medium and the response was accordingly much more radical. ESPECIALLY because he refused to release the OG theatrical version, which I think is an utter **** move for people. At that point you're not just correcting your own material, you're trying to correct other people's experience, and that's that disrespectful step too far imo.

It's the control. He must control all copies of the film in existence.

That's why though the Hobbit is quite disappointing, we still have the original LOTR trilogy to enjoy. But now Jackson is talking about going back and reshooting footage and adding Evangeline Lily's elf character to the original trilogy. He actually thinks that's a good idea.
 
I have absolutely no words for how ****ing asinine that would be.

@Ang & Crisis Then what's the problem, Frieza was never revived before by earth's balls was he?
 
I have absolutely no words for how ****ing asinine that would be.

@Ang & Crisis Then what's the problem, Frieza was never revived before by earth's balls was he?

Isn't there a one year limitation on using the Dragon Balls to wish somebody back from the dead?
 
There is, yeah. But I wonder if Namekian Dragon Balls don't have that limit...

I don't believe they do but it was shown in the previews that one of Frieza's henchmen is coming out of the water with an Earth Dragon Ball in his hand. Maybe Dende changed the limitations?

Edited: @Plissken answered the question.
 
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