S.H.FiguArts Dragonball Z figures!!!

[FatHotei]

Speaking of Dende, do you guys think tamashii will produce any non-fighter dbz figuarts?

I'd love to see Roshi.

 

[Angelo2113]

Speaking of Dende, do you guys think tamashii will produce any non-fighter dbz figuarts?

I'd love to see Roshi.

I hope not.

 

[nick_clark]

Speaking of Dende, do you guys think tamashii will produce any non-fighter dbz figuarts?

I'd love to see Roshi.

I hope so!!!!

 

[Big Deano]

Ive said it before, figuarts are for the poseability, non fighters waste that potential. Keep them for zeroes if anything.

 

[crisis]

Yeah the henchmen dude is seen with what looks to be the 4 star ball



UNLESS they go to Namek first and use their Dragon Balls to revive him, then go to earth & use those to give him his massive power boost.. which still wouldn't make sense because they could still just use the Namek Dragon Balls for that too since they allow for 3 wishes instead of one. Either way that sounds very convoluted; i just think Toriyama said to hell with the 1 year rule & have them use earth's Dragon Balls to resurrect him anyway

There's an old saying that goes "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

 

[FatHotei]

Ive said it before, figuarts are for the poseability, non fighters waste that potential. Keep them for zeroes if anything.

Depending on who, non-fighters have the potential for dynamic displays just the same. Just because someone doesn't have a massive power level doesn't mean they wouldn't make a fun figure.

Krillin is a good example of a figure I purchased not because he's an amazing fighter but because he's a great figure. A lot of people are interested in the potential for a Yamcha figure, but I mean, is Yamcha really a fighter? Is he really? In dbz he's about as useful as Yajirobe.

 

[Big Deano]

To me Yamcha doesnt deserve a figure, thats my point! Tien is in the same tier as Krillin; kind of a fighter but likeable, Yamcha is neither imo. Characters like Roshi and Bulma have no display potential! Its a waste, sorry but thats my opinion.

Edit: also, Krillin is unique because there are alot of options for him: throwing a disc at Frieza, attacking Cell, heck even attacking Vegeta or sparring with Goku. Can we say the same of non fighters? Nope.

 

[FatHotei]

Yeah the henchmen dude is seen with what looks to be the 4 star ball

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UNLESS they go to Namek first and use their Dragon Balls to revive him, then go to earth & use those to give him his massive power boost.. which still wouldn't make sense because they could still just use the Namek Dragon Balls for that too since they allow for 3 wishes instead of one. Either way that sounds very convoluted; i just think Toriyama said to hell with the 1 year rule & have them use earth's Dragon Balls to resurrect him anyway

There's an old saying that goes "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

I don't know about the one year rule. In dragon ball when Tambourine kills Krillin Bulma puts him in that hibernation chamber she built out of spare parts. Then King Piccolo wishes for youth and the balls scatter for a year. Goku defeats Piccolo and wishes Roshi and Krillin back to life.

It seems more about preserving the body? But that doesn't seem to matter most of the time...

Plus the rules are different for Dende's dragon than they were for Shenron anyway.

 

[Bardoon]

Well maybe Toriyama to Lucas comparison is a little TOO strong but yes, great point on him being "Lucas-esque" at times. Like his depiction of Goku during Dragon Ball Minus and his forgetfulness of character's colors, forms, etc. during production of the recent movies. It seems like both his editors at Shonen Jump back in the day and the production guys at Toei have managed to straighten him up. At least he's not a total d*ckhead like Lucas who wants everyone of his production staff to bow down to his horrible screenwriting ability. Even Fox signed off because they knew the prequels=MONEY so let Lucas F' up Star Wars as much as he wants as long as it brings dollars. Sorry but I digress.

Let's just say Toriyama is treading VERY dangerous waters... he at least LISTENS to the people who correct him (unlike Lucas).

Ok...now I'll respond to my DBZ colleague Silrian.

 

[FatHotei]

To me Yamcha doesnt deserve a figure, thats my point! Tien is in the same tier as Krillin; kind of a fighter but likeable, Yamcha is neither imo. Characters like Roshi and Bulma have no display potential! Its a waste, sorry but thats my opinion.

Well, maybe not for you but I can already imagine displaying Roshi amidst one of his various hijinks.

 

[Bardoon]

Lmao Datong even copies Tamashii's market attitude.

I personally think Peter Jackson is the new Lucas. I loved Lord of the Rings so much, and I utterly despise the hobbit "trilogy" (put as much mocking inflection in that last word as you can imagine).

Put this in spoiler tag cause it's an off topic star wars reply (I mainly hope to hear about it from you Bardoon):

Spoiler

I don't entirely agree lucas forgot what it was about entirely, what he forgets is that it became something for people on its own and he doesn't stay in touch with that. And I mainly mean editing the OG trilogy and people experiencing star wars as a scifi western, when even mark hamill himself said that in its thematic core star wars is more fantasy, a fairytale, than anything else. The PT have their own problems, mainly Lucas' directing, but for those who've played any of Bioware's star wars games, you'll know how brilliant the lore the PT added can be fused with the style of the OT, and ironically Bioware shows the world of star wars in its entirety better than Lucas has.

I don't agree with people that think Star Wars is per definition only what the original trilogy projects, I'm sorry but that's ********. Many of the things the PT focussed on existed in the OT already. But a writer also simply has the right to expand his world, or extrapolate and focus on different aspects of it, even if you don't like that. To say that Lucas has forgotten what his own creation is about is too arrogant and also just not entirely true. Lucas isn't in touch with what fans particularly appreciated about the OT, that is much more the source of the problem and that's partly due to the fact that Lucas had a lot of stuff in mind for his universe that he couldn't do with the OT. The hate towards Lucas has become partly irrational and unfair.

The fact that his attempt to do the things in the PT he couldn't in the OT, was a very flawed attempt that was quite out of touch with as I said what many fans appreciated about the OT, doesn't make it less star wars. It just makes it less good and/or not appealing to many.

But I'm sorry, some OT purists are too arrogant imo. Yes I know we all hate midichlorians, that doesn't suddenly give you the high ground to think you know someone's creation better than he himself does. You just don't like where he took it, and where he shifted the focus to, as well as how he executed it. But Lucas made star wars and many PT ideas he already had during the OT, and many of them combine very well. You might have liked Han Solo more, but star wars was and has always been about the Force and creating a mythical exploration of good and evil in its core, within a scifi setting.

Everyone has all the right in the world to despite and loathe the PT as much as you want, but that still doesn't give you the high ground to say that it's less star wars and that you know how star wars should be better than Lucas. It's less like the star wars YOU KNEW, that's something different.

I myself dislike a lot of things Lucas has done post-OT release, but say he forgot what his creation was ABOUT is utter BS.

Spoiler

I think you put it quite eloquently, my friend

I'm not an OT or PT apologist or purist. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan, but I am a BIG movie fan and I do know a lot about Star Wars and LucasFilm/LucasArts,etc. I apologize if I wasn't clear but what I meant to target was creators forgetting details about their creations, like what color someone's hair was or what this character was doing at this time in the story or sometimes introducing characters, concepts, ideas, storylines, etc. that are absolutely so radical that even the fans take a step back and say, "Wow! Did that just happen? Did he/she really just do that?" and sometimes those ideas are both GOOD AND BAD.

I will NEVER doubt that franchise "universe" creators like Toriyama, Lucas, Martin, and some of my other favorites like Frank Herbert (Dune), Stan Lee (Marvel), and Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek) forget about their overall "theme" or what their creations are ABOUT. But they do what I call "mis-steps" along the way and forget critical elements that you would think they would know. But so do we...we're all human after-all.

I'm mostly picking on Lucas' forgetfulness and his lack of abilities (like script writing & directing) of certain elements, not his OVERALL forgetfulness of what his creation is ABOUT.

When I bad-mouth Lucas, it's mostly because of his bad directing and script-writing abilities as well as the inflation of his ego to the point that he hired "yes-men" for the Prequels when before with the OT, Fox Executives actually hired people to fix and polish Lucas' work. They knew he was so bad that they hired other directors and writers for ESB and RotJ. I will NEVER take away from George Lucas his imagination and the whole theme and concept of Star Wars which are 100% him and utterly genius and he is one of the best IDEA guys of all time. But once he gets into the IMPLEMENTATION, well...that's another story.

 

[crisis]

love him or hate him, Lucas is a genius & a living legend & it'll be a sad sad day for all SW fans when becomes "one with the Force"

 

[Silrian]

Earth DB's = Only one revival allotted

Namek DB's = Unlimited amount of revivals

But both fall under the once a year limit I believe.

Wait, mesa bombad confused now. Dragon can't be summoned within the span of one year more than once. But there's another 1 year rule? Someone has to have died not longer than a year ago?

Yeah the henchmen dude is seen with what looks to be the 4 star ball

View attachment 165383

UNLESS they go to Namek first and use their Dragon Balls to revive him, then go to earth & use those to give him his massive power boost.. which still wouldn't make sense because they could still just use the Namek Dragon Balls for that too since they allow for 3 wishes instead of one. Either way that sounds very convoluted; i just think Toriyama said to hell with the 1 year rule & have them use earth's Dragon Balls to resurrect him anyway

There's an old saying that goes "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

It's a bit of a geek argument but isn;t it also true that Frieza has no ****ing idea where new namek is? It's not like in the same place as old namek. They found a new planet and probably keep a more low profile now that they know other species know of dragonballs.

To me Yamcha doesnt deserve a figure, thats my point!

I going a teeny bit more nuanced in saying to me Yamcha deserves less priority as a figure than many many others. But I also just don't agree with the 'scattered major characters throughout years' policy. I know there's an economic argument behind it but I think it sucks. What I appreciate is that tamashii makes related characters within the same window now which is reasonable considering they're, mostly staying, unreleasable.

But still I think at some point staple characters and versions should just be given highest priority, period. This is not a mass production line with 3-4 waves per year of 4-6 characters.

Spoiler

I think you put it quite eloquently, my friend

I'm not an OT or PT apologist or purist. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan, but I am a BIG movie fan and I do know a lot about Star Wars and LucasFilm/LucasArts,etc. I apologize if I wasn't clear but what I meant to target was creators forgetting details about their creations, like what color someone's hair was or what this character was doing at this time in the story or sometimes introducing characters, concepts, ideas, storylines, etc. that are absolutely so radical that even the fans take a step back and say, "Wow! Did that just happen? Did he/she really just do that?" and sometimes those ideas are both GOOD AND BAD.

I will NEVER doubt that franchise "universe" creators like Toriyama, Lucas, Martin, and some of my other favorites like Frank Herbert (Dune), Stan Lee (Marvel), and Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek) forget about their overall "theme" or what their creations are ABOUT. But they do what I call "mis-steps" along the way and forget critical elements that you would think they would know. But so do we...we're all human after-all.

I'm mostly picking on Lucas' forgetfulness and his lack of abilities (like script writing & directing) of certain elements, not his OVERALL forgetfulness of what his creation is ABOUT.

When I bad-mouth Lucas, it's mostly because of his bad directing and script-writing abilities as well as the inflation of his ego to the point that he hired "yes-men" for the Prequels when before with the OT, Fox Executives actually hired people to fix and polish Lucas' work. They knew he was so bad that they hired other directors and writers for ESB and RotJ. I will NEVER take away from George Lucas his imagination and the whole theme and concept of Star Wars which are 100% him and utterly genius and he is one of the best IDEA guys of all time. But once he gets into the IMPLEMENTATION, well...that's another story.

@Bardoon (offtopic, only for Star wars fans)

Spoiler

Thanks man:, and yeah now I get your position much more clearly. And I agree pretty much entirely. I think it's totally fine that fans critique creators' treatment of their creation, and certainly fans can make very wellversed arguments as to why they think things should be handled differently.

But where I get annoyed, or rather who I get annoyed with, is people who saw the OT, experienced that in a certain way, and then think that and that alone is star wars and not even the creator should expand or develop that. And it even further annoys me when their arguments are rooted in an experience that's their own, that isn't entirely objectively true, star wars was for example aesthetically a western, but in many ways both its actual stories and themes were not. And I just kinda get annoyed when people want Han Solo in scruffy bars, and old geezers talking about vague force stuff and deem everything else 'not star wars'. Downplay the Force/spiritual element and aspect of star wars. The films were ultimately a spiritual story, they just had many characters occupying a world that juxtaposed this element, exactly so that element thrived more, and stood out more. Luke stands out among his pilot friends, Vader among his officers. The prequels were set in a time where the spiritual element was WAY more a thing because there were simply a lot more people around who dedicated their lives to it (aka jedis), which simply is the story, the story is the Emperor wanting to wipe that out. I think that aspect both aesthetically and thematically was done fantastically in the prequels, I really do. And there are many other elements like this that really were designed well and have a very believable link in how they progressed (the clones for example), and digressed into the aesthetic of the OT.

As much deserved criticism Lucas gets for many things he was like you say sloppy in, made missteps, was to complacent or too egotistical or uncritical in, I at the same time feel he does NOT get enough credit for the aforementioned world building. The prequels set up a world that tied very well into the OT and has its own incredible iconography. And where it's a downside that he gave himself full creative control and final say, the upside should be that he gets credited for signing off on all these rich designs and how they progressed throughout 6 films. It has to be a fair assesment, and not irrational hate because he stepped on your nostalgia-toes, you know?

The major thing is, and I think that's where Lucas gets the full blame, is that he did not manage to write screenplays that conveyed the depth with which this was the case. His visionary skill was cockblocked by his own character and hubris. That's why I highly lament many moviefans not having played Bioware's Old Republic games, because Bioware's developers took the aesthetic of both trilogies and fused them absolutely wonderfully, and in a way that allows room for ALL of it, with an incredibly rich own lore. I can genuinely say easily half of my fandom of star wars is fandom of Bioware's star wars world – I look at the films so differently because I forget that I have this entire other world that explores these elements. To an extent it's less fair because 1 Lucas had to lay the groundwork and 2 only had three movies as opposed to 3 whole RPG games, but nevertheless I just... I get emotionally annoyed and saddened a bit when I see Star Wars fans talking about the OT and PT as if they're juxtaposed and even out of touch of each other, and they aren't when the star wars world itself is concerned. They just are regarding the execution of the films, because Lucas isn't a good screenplay writer or director.

Just to give context: Bioware is one of the best storytelling game developer companies around, and their star wars era (3000 years before PT/OT), first one being released in 2005, combined PT and OT elements, aesthetics, stories, themes, even music, to an incredibly fantastic result. It added a lot of richness from nuancing the jedi and sith codes and teachings, as well as expanding underworld's and bars where rogues, bounty hunters, imperial agents and senators all had their dealings. Where gunslingers were abound and hated these force using types, and where force users where abound trying to find acolytes. Where planets opposed the republic for their own reason, or because they belonged to the Hutt space. You get the actual specifics of all that. Not to mention the incredible individual characters they wrote and developed over the course of 2 RPGs and an MMO RPG, among which imo the best star wars character after Darth Vader, Revan.

That is what not just kept my star wars fandom alive, it blew it to new heights and it showed me that despite the flawed execution of Lucas' filmmaking, the elements he set up throughout all six films carry a fantastic legacy that when combined aptly, is the most diverse fictional world I know. It's really sad that Lucas himself couldn't do that but that doesn't mean the elements can't be appreciated.

So yeah, guess I cleared that up, thank god for spoiler tags right? If you wanna know more about Bioware's star wars universe there are a few simple videos and pictures I can give you an impression with. We can do that via DM should you want to.

Cool pull Crisis, you might wanna read my reply I just gave to Bardoon.

 

[blogness]

S H Figuarts Dragon Ball Z Super Saiyan Vegeta Figure Datong Version SHF | eBay

Is that for real right now?
57 Bids
$106
$40 shipping

I have like 6 of those, maybe I should start listing them.....

edit:
Apparently I missed a lot of ebay insanity while I've been avoiding it so I can save for vacation...
Here are the SOLD listings from eBay:
datong vegeta | eBay
Do you think they actually all sold or do I smell shenanigans?

 

[crisis]

@Silrian, agreed, well said. Although the one thing about the prequels that's truly cringe-worthy for me is the script. Some of the dialogue is just laughable to me, such as when Anakin says "I wish I could just wish away my feelings." LOL, wut?? Otherwise I find everything else quite enjoyable. Lucas said it himself, at the end of the day these films are just entertainment for children & teenagers/young adults; yeah there are mature themes involved but ask anybody who watched Episode 1 when they were only 9 or 10 and I'm sure they'll say they loved it, whereas most adults say they hated it. Those that hated the prequels watched the classics when they were kids & loved those, and I'm sure their parents were all like "why are you wasting your time on this science fiction rubbish?" See the parallels? Life is funny like that.

 

[crisis]

The description for this Frieza is honestly hilarious & one of the best I've ever read for an auction Bandai Tamashii Nations s H Figuarts Frieza Final Form Dragonball Z Action Fig | eBay

"I`m so happy that there are really people that view my figure and interested in them.And some people asked me questions which makes me more happy,but at the same time I found that people seldom read what I wrote...
But,I`ll still tell u what I should tirelessly as below:


1) Who am I ?

---I`m a 30 year old man who lives in Foshan,making a living by advertising planning in a small real estate company.And I`m crazy about Garage Kit so much.




2) Why do I want to sell my Frieza?

---I have many Garage Kit,and many of them are gave as gifts by my ex-grlfriend.That`s why my wife has many complaints against them,and she always wants to throw them away as rubbish.

One day,she finally seized a chance—I didn`t keep my word to buy KFC for my nephew,and this naughty boy got very angry,and at this moment,my wife added fuel to the fire—she encouraged my nephew to break my Garage Kit !!

（1000 words about their crime omitted here...I really don`t have the courage to review it.）

That`s why u can see a No. and a hole on Frieza,they mean my nephew and my wife`s revenge and my tragedy,and I`ll never forget this extremely cruel day.

So,I want to sell some of my Garage Kit to those who will cherish them,I don`t want them to expose to danger anymore.




3) Why don`t I send it to my friends?

---I tried,but seldom of them like Garage Kit. In their eyes,it`s ridiculous for a man who should support a family to collect toys."



LOL poor guy!

 

[FatHotei]

That's hilarious but also sad. He needs his interests validated!

 

[FSLAR]

@ Crisis what...what even

Well, maybe not for you but I can already imagine displaying Roshi amidst one of his various hijinks.

Roshi deserves a figure in a potential Dragon Ball line at least, he kicked so much ass and had many great hijinks. I wouldn't mind a Roshi for amusement and since he could still fight...kinda? Maybe in the current Z line

I don't care for a Yamcha honestly, he really wasn't notable in Z - seriously. He only fights a Saibaman and doesn't bother with any villain (Frieza is justifiable though), unlike Krillin and Tien. I honestly only want most of these in a Dragon Ball line though.

 

[FatHotei]

I read that in Revival of F, Frieza will train for the first time in his life and achieve a super perfect form. I guess all that training makes him even more powerful than Beerus. From the synopsis, it seems that Frieza's last two surviving henchmen come to Earth, find the dragon balls and revive him. Then **** hits the fan, as usual.

 

[crisis]

I can understand why there's a desire for a Yamcha [and Tien], because despite being utterly useless he's still a Z Fighter, albeit retired.. people want the complete classic line-up on their shelves, which will forever be incomplete if Tamashii doesn't release them