S.H.FiguArts Dragonball Z figures!!!

[Bardoon]

Also did they ever explain how the gods of destruction are "chosen" or become the God of destruction for that universe? Aren't they originally mortals as well, given how they look different from each Universe (some appear to be human)? There's even a cat-like being who appears to be from Beerus and Champa's race on the "Peace Troopers" team.

Angelo - The Supreme Kais are the "Gods of Creation" so they also have a god ki as they are technically deities as well, the difference seems to be that the Kais are their own "race" while the Gods of Destruction can be of any species.

 

[crisis]

They are chosen. Whis offered Vegeta a chance to become Beerus' successor once he dies. Also Toppo was being scouted as becoming the next god of destruction of his universe.

As for the requirements, I don't think they've ever went into specifics so anything anybody comes up with is just speculation. My opinion, to become a candidate, then you have to be morally ambiguous. You can't be good or evil, just neutral. Which is why Frieza was never considered despite his sheer power, since he's pretty much 100% evil, and why Beerus is so good at his job. However, Toppo obviously has a strong unwavering sense of justice, which leans him more towards good. So this leads me to believe that perhaps there are different rules for each universe.

Also, since they were mortals before becoming deities, they also contain flaws. Which is why Sidra was so passive during his tenure (at least, according to his official backstory description. They write him off as being extremely undecisive), and why Champa is so gluttonous. Beerus is excellent, however he is also very lazy and has a memory problem, since he goes into deep sleeps for literally hundreds of years and forgets things 5 minutes after learning about them.

 

[Angelo2113]

I imagine the strongest beings in the universe are chosen to become Gods of Destruction. Which really begs the question would Whis have trained Frieza to become the new God of Destruction if all the Saiyans were eradicated?

The Supreme Kais are the Gods of Creation? That explains their connection with the Gods of Destruction then. When was that revealed?

 

[crisis]

I imagine the strongest beings in the universe are chosen to become Gods of Destruction.Which really begs the question would Whis have trained Frieza to become the new God of Destruction if all the Saiyans were eradicated?

The Supreme Kais are the Gods of Creation? That explains their connection with the Gods of Destruction then. When was that revealed?

The only thing that makes me doubt that is the fact that Toppo was being scouted instead of Jiren, despite Jiren being stronger by Toppo's own admission. So there's gotta be other factors that are taken into consideration instead of brute strength

Also, the fact that Whis is on record stating that he's aware of a mortal that surpassed his universes Destructor, further leads me to believe that it's more than sheer power they're looking for. Whis might have been lying, we don't know yet, but for now we just have to take his word for it

 

[Angelo2113]

I was thinking about that as well but then considered the alternative of Jiren refusing the role of God of Destruction which lead the search/candidacy to Toppo since he would be the 2nd strongest.

Edited: Here's the quote..."However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus."

So maybe that mortal refused to be God of Destruction so they went with the 2nd strongest or maybe that mortal became stronger than the God of Destruction? Is that in regards to raw strength? I can't imagine a mortal being surviving a Hakai from a God of Destruction.

 

[Bardoon]

I was thinking about that as well but then considered the alternative of Jiren refusing the role of God of Destruction which lead the search/candidacy to Toppo since he would be the 2nd strongest.

Edited: Here's the quote..."However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus."

So maybe that mortal refused to be God of Destruction so they went with the 2nd strongest or maybe that mortal became stronger than the God of Destruction? Is that in regards to raw strength? I can't imagine a mortal being surviving a Hakai from a God of Destruction.

Quite possible that mortal character in Universe 7 that surpassed Beerus could be introduced later in the series....perhaps after the 'Tournament of Power' arc.

 

[Angelo2113]

Quite possible that mortal character in Universe 7 that surpassed Beerus could be introduced later in the series....perhaps after the 'Tournament of Power' arc.

We're not sure what Universe that mortal character is in yet. As crisis mentioned, they could be in one of the universes that were excluded from the Tournament of Power so it is very likely we'll be introduced to them down the road.

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[Silrian]

I can't believe I haven't thought of this nor seen anyone say it (apologies if I missed it), but what if the non-competing universes are behind influencing Zeno to erase universes. Or have perhaps struck a deal with the father of the angels.

 

[Silrian]

The best part about this design in regards to S.H.Figuarts is that Tamashii Nations will be able to use the torso for this transformation, his Super Saiyan transformation in his fight against 100% Final Form Frieza, and the Kaio-ken technique against Scouter Vegeta.

My thoughts exactly lol.

Yeah I like the new form too, I like the pale eyes.
@Snake lol crayons, all we need is ssj Rainbow!

 

[prodigy1367]

I wouldn't be surprised that they forgot about this powerful mystery character and we'll never see him/her. They seem to have forgot about Jaco and Monaka since we haven't seen them for a while.

I'm pretty hyped for Goku's new form simply cuz it gives us more figure opportunities. I'm hoping Vegeta will get something similar too but I feel this is gonna be yet another Goku exclusive form [emoji29]


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[Runnen]

I wouldn't be surprised that they forgot about this powerful mystery character and we'll never see him/her. They seem to have forgot about Jaco and Monaka since we haven't seen them for a while.

I'm pretty hyped for Goku's new form simply cuz it gives us more figure opportunities. I'm hoping Vegeta will get something similar too but I feel this is gonna be yet another Goku exclusive form [emoji29]

In the manga, Monaka is not powerful at all, in fact the whole point of his being at the Tournament is a ploy by Beerus to make Goku and Vegeta believe there are beings stronger than them so they'll push their limits, but whenever he's supposed to go fight Beerus finds an excuse (like Mr. Satan) and it's eventually revealed by Whis that Monaka is just a pushover.

 

[Big Deano]

We know that Runnen, Prod was meaning their characters haven't been seen in a while, not that they were powerful.

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[DasMuse]

I always figured Beerus was lying to Goku when he said he was the 2nd strongest fighter he encountered to motivate him. I also figured he was lying about how much power he had to use for the fight.

 

[Angelo2113]

I can't believe I haven't thought of this nor seen anyone say it (apologies if I missed it), but what if the non-competing universes are behind influencing Zeno to erase universes. Or have perhaps struck a deal with the father of the angels.

What would the motivation be for those universes? They're supposedly the universes with the strongest average mortal. Why would they want other universes erased when they're beneath them?

I wouldn't be surprised that they forgot about this powerful mystery character and we'll never see him/her. They seem to have forgot about Jaco and Monaka since we haven't seen them for a while.

I'm pretty hyped for Goku's new form simply cuz it gives us more figure opportunities. I'm hoping Vegeta will get something similar too but I feel this is gonna be yet another Goku exclusive form [emoji29]


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I'm alright with Jaco and Monaka being forgotten. They serve little to no purpose other than comedic relief. The powerful mystery character, who is stronger than their God of Destruction who also happens to be stronger than Beerus, has a lot of potential for a story arc.

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[Silrian]

What would the motivation be for those universes? They're supposedly the universes with the strongest average mortal. Why would they want other universes erased when they're beneath them?

Good point, BUT, what is Zeno's motivation for 'there are too many'? (Something he himself has never said btw, just priest dude.) It literally can't be an issue of space. It is suspicious to me that those universes are exempt, just like that, when we don't have any truly logical motivations for any of this.

Maybe those universes are lying? Maybe they're using this as a way to find stronger opponents. Maybe the GoD's made a bet lol. Idk why they would but my pint is that all of this is so vague it doesn't make their exemption less shady imo. Who decided what power level was high enough? Why are there four exempt and not say two? DBS has given a fair amount of actual reasons for why things happened, trivial or dumb reasons maybe, but understandble. This tournament is vague and suspicious and I see four groups in a super convenient position without anything revealed about them.

 

[crisis]

I recall either Whis or one of the other angels saying that at one point in time Zeno erased 6 out of the then 18 universes only because he was in a bad mood at that time. I dont think he has a specific motivation, he just did it on a whim, and will continue to do so. Just like that one scene of both Zenohs playing marbles with planets; they do it because it's fun to them, nothing more nothing less. Them playfully yelling "SQUISH" like they're in a sandbox at a playground but instead erasing a universe proves that

Perhaps Zeno is a metaphor, or parody, of the Christian God. Well, the Old Testament God.

 

[Angelo2113]

Zen-Oh(s) doesn't necessarily need any logical motivation to erase multiple Universes. If it weren't for the Universe 6 Tournament and Goku's shared desire for a Multiverse Tournament, Zen-Oh would have erased the multiple Universes simply due to him feeling there were too many. He did that in the past, as crisis mentioned. So that part isn't all that far-fetched. Rather than simply erasing the multiple Universes immediately, he gets much more entertainment from the Tournament of Power.

What's questionable is all of the information from the Grand Priest on behalf of both Zen-Ohs. I've never had the impression that Zen-Oh cares all that much on power ranking. The Grand Priest is the one who detailed how many universes would participate, which number was used to determine if a Universe was considered weak, and that the Angels would be exempt from being erased. The MAIN problem is that Zen-Oh hasn't argued against any of this information that was made public. So even though we haven't heard any of this information directly from the Zen-Ohs, he doesn't appear to have a problem with these rules.

I've been speculating a couple of ideas and one of them is that Zen-Oh's powers depends on the number of Universes within the Multiverse. Not necessarily sure how that would be connected but maybe the Grand Priest noticed over time that Zen-Oh's power weakened after he erased the other Universes? I'm not entirely sure but I do strongly feel that the Grand Priest, along with a few of his children, seem to have some sort of secret agenda which they're using the Tournament of Power to achieve.

 

[Bardoon]

That's it right there, the Grand Priest is essentially manipulating the perceptions of the Zen-Oh(s). It's essentially an innocent, child-like being of immense power with what appears to be little comprehension of good and evil. The angels seem to serve as the "balance" between the Gods of Creation (Kai) and the Gods of Destruction, while obviously working more closely with the temperamental Destruction Gods. The Grand Priest is the "puppet-master" and from some quick snapshots of the angels grinning when their Universes got destroyed, there seems to be some other plot developing here that some of the angels are obviously involved in.

What will be interesting to see is what will Whis and Vados do? My guess is that Whis is not "in on it".

 

[Angelo2113]

That's it right there, the Grand Priest is essentially manipulating the perceptions of the Zen-Oh(s). It's essentially an innocent, child-like being of immense power with what appears to be little comprehension of good and evil. The angels seem to serve as the "balance" between the Gods of Creation (Kai) and the Gods of Destruction, while obviously working more closely with the temperamental Destruction Gods. The Grand Priest is the "puppet-master" and from some quick snapshots of the angels grinning when their Universes got destroyed, there seems to be some other plot developing here that some of the angels are obviously involved in.

What will be interesting to see is what will Whis and Vados do? My guess is that Whis is not "in on it".

That was my first impression but I think that's only for Angels who have horrible Gods of Destruction. Well, in Universe 9's case, the roles were reversed where it was the Supreme Kai who was horrible. Universe 10's Angel actually seemed sad when her Universe was erased because it had a respectful Supreme Kai, R.I.P. Gowasu, God of Destruction, and fighters. So it may be certain Angels that are part of this plan and, for now, we only know of 1 that would be part of it.

I'm not sure if Whis and Vados would be part in it even though Beerus and Champa don't treat them with the utmost respect. Although, I could see why Whis asked Vegeta and Goku to be future Gods of Destruction if something were to happen to Beerus. While they are strong, they also treat Whis more respectfully.

 

[crisis]

Whis has been indifferent throughout this entire arc. Even before the tournament started, Beerus expressed extreme worry of being erased, but if you recall Whis' reaction, he wasn't bothered at all.

Whether he's in on the plan, if there indeed is a plan, or not, his demeanor won't change no matter what happens.