S.H.FiguArts Dragonball Z figures!!!

[Angelo2113]

Banpresto makes the best figurines. I've been going further into their products and have hardly been disappointed.

I saw the ones above at NYCC. While I may not want them all, they are so incredibly detailed. Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black is my favorite and it's very close to Figuarts size. Just a tad bigger though.

 

[Angelo2113]

Holy ****, how did I miss this? Super Buu looks amazing. Thank you for the photo, Cooler.

Happy birthday Migatte no Gokui!

I find the lack of products for this design disturbing.

I know it maybe a little out of people's price range but the Broly HQS by Tsume just went back on pre order... So if you missed out it's available now...

Spoiler

https://www.tsume-art.com/en/shop/broly-hqs-by-tsume

I would've preferred whomever sculpted this face to have sculpted the face for the Figuarts Zero.

Its only a retcon if you consider Toeis original story a better fit (which I do tbh), but Toriyama never detailed how Frieza destroyed the planet or even who Gokus parents were, that was all Toei trying to flesh out Gokus backstory. Sure Toriyama added a panel of "Toei" Bardock into his manga, but that was before he gave any thought into it. Like it or not, Minus is the true, canon backstory, and Toriyama is making sure to cement that fact with the Broly movie.

@Crisis, the dub 2nd trailer alludes more as to why he destroys them. In one scene he seems to be talking to someone about the best way to kill the saiyans off, and it should be pretty obvious that its Beerus. I think Frieza and Cold go into this "domination" of the saiyans with the intent of killing them off to appease Beerus.

Good post, Deano.

 

[DarthBakura]

Its only a retcon if you consider Toeis original story a better fit (which I do tbh), but Toriyama never detailed how Frieza destroyed the planet or even who Gokus parents were, that was all Toei trying to flesh out Gokus backstory. Sure Toriyama added a panel of "Toei" Bardock into his manga, but that was before he gave any thought into it. Like it or not, Minus is the true, canon backstory, and Toriyama is making sure to cement that fact with the Broly movie.

@Crisis, the dub 2nd trailer alludes more as to why he destroys them. In one scene he seems to be talking to someone about the best way to kill the saiyans off, and it should be pretty obvious that its Beerus. I think Frieza and Cold go into this "domination" of the saiyans with the intent of killing them off to appease Beerus.

No, the movie is just one big, huge retcon.

Sure, some would argue they’re insignificant issues, but I don’t think they are. Bardock’s design change is horrible—the complete exclusion of the old Saiyan armor we know and love is a bit odd. Base form Frieza being completely naked is also weird. Bardock being a loving father. His wife standing by his side as they send Kal-E... I mean, Karrotcake off to earth. And that’s where the real problem lies. Goku is way too old when he’s sent off. And clothed. It completely robs Dragon Ball of the dynamic that’s been established, where baby Goku was found by Grandpa Gohan and soon after that, he hits his head and becomes who he is today.

Just about the only thing that has seemingly remained close to the same is Paragus’ (now canon), King Cold and the fact that Frieza blows everyone the hell up.

 

[crisis]

The changing of Bardock’s personality is what bothers me too. It was perfect the way it was; him being a brutal warrior that respected his team of other brutal warriors, and upon learning his son’s power level of only being 2, he was disappointed & pretty much wrote him off as a loss. That’s what the nature of Saiyans are, at least the Universe 7 Saiyans. UNTIL, he had that last minute change of heart, seeing what his weakling son would be capable of, but by the time he realized it was too late. That’s what made him a tragic character to me. It remains to be seen if this movie will top that. Big Deano agrees as well

Now we have what is known as “revisionist history,” going back & changing stuff that the fans have been used to. George Lucas was crucifyed for that. Whatever Toriyama writes is canon, yes, but it’s going to be hard to accept if it’s worse than what has been established for tha past 30 years

 

[DarthBakura]

I’ve already said it a few times in other random discussions, but I agree. Toriyama is the Asian George Lucas. It’s ironic that my first love was Star Wars and my second love was Dragon Ball.

 

[Adeno]

I got my (imperfect but still fun) Demoniacal Fit Ginyu

Here's my review as well.

 

[ShredH2O]

The changing of Bardock’s personality is what bothers me too. It was perfect the way it was; him being a brutal warrior that respected his team of other brutal warriors, and upon learning his son’s power level of only being 2, he was disappointed & pretty much wrote him off as a loss. That’s what the nature of Saiyans are, at least the Universe 7 Saiyans. UNTIL, he had that last minute change of heart, seeing what his weakling son would be capable of, but by the time he realized it was too late. That’s what made him a tragic character to me. It remains to be seen if this movie will top that. Big Deano agrees as well

Crisis, I 100% agree. The saiyans are a ruthless race that crave power and fighting above all else. Part of it makes me think of the 300 movie and how the Spartans were portrayed in there. Changing Bardock to where he is loving and caring throughout (we don’t know this for sure yet though) will destroy the methos of that.
I am fine with them sending the baby Goku out with armor on though. Would make sense. But yeah I don’t be like how they made Goku older, changed the Saiyaman armor to that ugly green, but am fine with altering Freiza a tad for now as long as it isn’t ignored that he has armor on later for some reason (maybe someone almost killed him in his base form so he decided to wear it ... because obviously he’s too arrogant to admit that being in his weak base form someone could beat him so what’s the need for armor)

 

[ShredH2O]

Who knows maybe they will change it and Goku doesn’t appear, like he did in the original, as a weakling power level. That would then change how Bardock views him (maybe he catches a glimpse of a hidden power that others miss cuz he was visiting in that moment, and he kept quiet so king Vegeta wouldn’t kill him so he/his son wouldn’t be overthrown by a more powerful Saiyan; I wouldn’t be surprised by this thinking due to the arrogance of the Vegetas with ruling and looking down on those beneath them in class).

 

[KumaStyle]

 

[Yarlick]

Aaand I’m reading crap here aswell....not the same kind of crap but still crap.
Ok so, Bardock caring about his son is because of Gine, he said that himself to her. If she wasn’t here, he wouldn’t care. So in that, the character doesn’t change that much.
Look at Vegeta being an ******* most of the time, now he is a loving and caring father thanks to Bulma ( and Future Trunks to an extent)

Goku is still «*weak*» in minus, that doesn’t change.

Frieza having a different form while destroying planet Vegeta is one of the incoherence that irks me the most since we see, in the manga, his First Form in armor ( most people haven’t read it...so telling that might help).

The only thing that will make me mad is if they transform Bardock into a coward.

 

[okayhoang]

Saw these two at Walmart.

 

[Big Deano]

Aaand I’m reading crap here aswell....not the same kind of crap but still crap.
Ok so, Bardock caring about his son is because of Gine, he said that himself to her. If she wasn’t here, he wouldn’t care. So in that, the character doesn’t change that much.
Look at Vegeta being an ******* most of the time, now he is a loving and caring father thanks to Bulma ( and Future Trunks to an extent)

Goku is still «*weak*» in minus, that doesn’t change.

Frieza having a different form while destroying planet Vegeta is one of the incoherence that irks me the most since we see, in the manga, his First Form in armor ( most people haven’t read it...so telling that might help).

The only thing that will make me mad is if they transform Bardock into a coward.

Come on man, its not crap. I may not agree with it being a retcon but I get the reason folk are p###ed. Not everyone grew up with or has even read the manga, all some folk know are Toeis changes and additions.

Until recently I refused to even acknowledge Minus purely because it was a worse telling of a story Toei has admittedly done a much better job of, but its now canon to the movie so its something we have to acknowledge, whether we like it or not, and trust me, I MUCH prefer old Bardock.

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[Caped Baldy]

 

[Yarlick]

Big D’ I have known Dragon Ball with the manga, not the anime. I was reading it.

The only thing I listened to at the time, I was very young, was an audio format of Bardock the Father of Goku from DBZ... and that was it.
I only watched DBZ three years ago.

I know why people are attached to THAT Bardock and I am but this is not that detail that should piss people off.

 

[mikesdot]

Saw these two at Walmart.

Lol nice... I'm so glad the generation of kids these days have the opportunity to appreciate Dragon Ball... The love for the series be it regular Dragon Ball, Z, Super spreads far and wide

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[Kanji]

Hey, it's mildly irritating, I'd agree.

But nowhere near Trunks hair colour level annoying!! That was just first rate backassery!

In the original Manga Bulma had purple hair.
Toei mistakenly gave her Green hair in the anime adaptation. - FAIL #1
Both Toriyama and Toei decided to carry on separately with the differing hair colors.
When we reached the android saga, Future Trunks appeared with purple hair in the manga (inherited from his mother).
So as not to make the same mistake again Toei gave Future Trunks purple hair to match the manga, however it now didn't match his mothers! - FAIL #2
Baby Trunks was born, and was given Purple hair, again, this didn't match Bulma's hair color in the anime - FAIL #3
DB Super comes along, and Future Trunks returns with Green hair (which nobody notices is any different) in order for it to finally match his mothers hair - FAIL #4
Kid Trunks in DB Super continues to have purple hair - FAIL #5 and complete cluster ****...drops mic................

At this point I have no idea whether Trunks purple hair from Z is retconned or not. To be honest, it would have just been a hell of a lot easier to just change Bulma's hair to purple during the early Dragon Ball anime, and job done!!

 

[ShredH2O]

Aaand I’m reading crap here aswell....not the same kind of crap but still crap.
Ok so, Bardock caring about his son is because of Gine, he said that himself to her. If she wasn’t here, he wouldn’t care. So in that, the character doesn’t change that much.
Look at Vegeta being an ******* most of the time, now he is a loving and caring father thanks to Bulma ( and Future Trunks to an extent)

Goku is still «*weak*» in minus, that doesn’t change.

Frieza having a different form while destroying planet Vegeta is one of the incoherence that irks me the most since we see, in the manga, his First Form in armor ( most people haven’t read it...so telling that might help).

The only thing that will make me mad is if they transform Bardock into a coward.

Actually Vegeta was a horrible father and cared less about Trunks. He only ever showed little glimmers of acknowledgement and that’s why that Buu death scene was so much more touching. Bardock should be like this as well (but I will acknowledge that Vegeta is a bigger a**h*** then the average saiyan, and he is my favorite character). So this won’t bother me too much but they have got to keep the Saiyans as blood thirsty race (Goku’s lighthearted fight personality is his only as he was raised much different and on earth not among Saiyan personalities).

I may be wrong cuz I never read any of the menga (and I know people will have wildly different opinions based off this as well), but I don’t think Freiza is in a different form (is he?). I see it as he just isn’t wearing armor.

I am now becoming mildly accepting that they are messing with everything we have come to know, and take changes with a grain of salt. No point in becoming enraged over it, I’ll enjoy the story or I won’t. I despise what Lucas did to Star Wars 4-6, but I’m not going to stop watching them. I keep popping it in and continue to enjoy but occasionally I do shake my head at some changes in there. This might be the same or small enough that I can ignore. Either way I’ll give it a chance

 

[crisis]

just a joke so plz nobody get offended lol

 

[Yarlick]

In the manga flashback, you see «*First Form*» Frieza destroying the planet. The same first form the protagonists have seen during their battle, and armored.
The form you see in the trailer is completely new.

I was explicitely stating that Vegeta was an ass but isn’t anymore NOW.
His change of heart began at the end of the Cell Saga when he attacks Cell to «* avenge*» Trunks death.
In the manga it is also ultimately thanks to him that Gohan got the upper because he is the ONLY one distracting Cell with a ki blast.

I get irritated by people not reading the manga and taking their canon as being DBZ, that Toei Frankenstein...

About that Trunks/Bulma debacle, all that is half true because Bulma’s hair color changed at least twice in some of the manga covers, she had blue and sligthly purple ( which the Bulma figure we have is inspired of for the blue type)

For Trunks, the hair color doesn’t bother me, thay way you can differenciate Kid Trunks, GT Trunks, the first Future Trunks and Super Future Trunks. So meh...

 

[crisis]

do you get irritated when people say “it’s over 9,000!!!” because that’s a Toei mistake by being a number off & that’s what everyone accepts now? If not then you really shouldn’t fault people for preferring the anime over the manga, since everybody picks & chooses what to follow and/or ignore, yourself included