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Lonnie: Wether you meant to or not, now you are starting to step on the very sensitive and dangerous territory of... religion. I would stay away from that. That will make this thread explode completely.:monkey1 :lol

I know, and that's why I haven't really posted my opinion in this thread before now, but I don't really believe in religion so...
 
Here is my problem... just who decided what "greed" was... and that it is bad... or what is right and wrong... etc, etc, etc. It was a human being somewhere who first decided something was wrong or immoral, or greedy... why was he right? He wasn't. The "majority" of people just happened to believe it also. Does that make it right? No.

All of our "beliefs" are just made up constructs by mankind to help mankind describe and try to understand the world around him.
With the development of society, implicit and explicit social contracts must exist in order to maintain order. They set rules and expectations, keep people from having to live in fear of someone bashing their head in without recourse (potential punishment as a deterrent), provide a means to peacefully resolve disputes, etc.

Greed is an innate human trait, but our "superegos" place a restraint on the degree to which greed can rule our lives in the same way that it restrains us from (usually) running around naked in the streets or abducting each others' mates. Society requires rules, and morality/ethics are a modernist interpretation/justification for social contracts--either those set up "naturally," or imposed by authoritative units of some kind. In my opinion.

If "right" means satisfying the greatest number of people while minimizing the number who are caused harm--as an ethic against excessive greediness does--then yeah, I think it is "right" (in the sense of something being "right," not being a "right" that people hold like liberty). Otherwise, the definition loses its utility. It isn't an "absolute right," but there are very few of those. The right to think what you want to, for instance, is a right that everyone has and that cannot be taken away without a great deal of difficulty. You can be punished for actions, but not for thoughts (though thoughts can be changed due to the provision of incentives and costs, exposure to novel information, etc.).
 
Now you're doing the same thing you are saying BT is doing... trying to push his opinion on others. You're opinion is that collectibles are trivial and don't compare to say... the Sistine Chapel... well that is your opinion. I could care less about the Sistine Chaple, or Picasso's Sunflowers, or most other "works of art" that the general public think so highly of. If the "value" of a Dr. Doom PF and Picasso's Sunflowers painting were the same, I'd pick the Doom each and every time! At their "current" value, I'd pick the Sunflowers painting... and sell it to buy 1000's of collectibles more than just the Doom!

My point was not that the Sistine chapel was inherently worthy of your attention or caring ... or even that I care much about it personally. Its a good painting. My point was that I could at least see the "artistic" point as arguable under those circumstances, whereas I could not see such a point as arguable with regard to mass-produced retailed action figures.

That this is merely an opinion goes without saying. I'm not sure where I was guilty of "pushing" my opnion on anyone -- except to the extent that stating an opinion qualifies as "pushing". Merely having an opinion does not constitute "pushing" it. The fundamental basis of my argument was that, with regard to private property, people have the right to value what they want, and sell/scalp what they want.

Here is my problem... just who decided what "greed" was... and that it is bad... or what is right and wrong... etc, etc, etc. It was a human being somewhere who first decided something was wrong or immoral, or greedy... why was he right? He wasn't. The "majority" of people just happened to believe it also. Does that make it right? No.

The majority does not define right and wrong ... but a definitive right and wrong does exist, and is not a moving target. Morality is not a feeling, or a guess, or a vote -- it is a defined set of behaviors. I won't claim to always know what the right answer is ... but I do know that there is always a right answer.

As someone above stated, you're treading into religious territory here. I don't push my beliefs about right and wrong on other people (except to the extent that "wrong" is also "illegal", I suppose) -- live however you want ... its not really any of my business. But I do use my beliefs about morality as a yardstick by which I measure my behavior, and the behavior of others.

All of our "beliefs" are just made up constructs by mankind to help mankind describe and try to understand the world around him.

Some beliefs are constructs of mankind. Some beliefs are truth. In this life, it is up to you to determine which is which. In my belief system, there will be someone thereafter to let you know whether you chose wisely -- if you believe differently, which I assume you do, so be it. No need to explain yourself to me.

Have a good one.

SnakeDoc
 
My wife gets invited to these "parties' where so called "friends" try to sell her crap so they can get a free something themselves from these vendors. Candles, stamps, tupperware, all that kind of crap. Personally, its always rubbed me the wrong way to invite my neighbors and friends over to my house and then try to profit off of them.

Seems very sleazy to me. So I told my wife she can go to them if she wants but its not welcome in my house. If she wants to invite people to the house it better be for friendship and not under the guise of taking their money.

The question then arises, "who on the board are my friends and neighbors and who are just random strangers"?
 
"A red herring is an idiom referring to a device which intends to divert the audience from the truth or an item of significance.[1] For example, in mystery fiction, an innocent party may be purposefully cast as highly suspect through emphasis or descriptive techniques; attention is drawn away from the true guilty party."
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_(idiom)

Took you long enough.:rolleyes:
 
Funny how when these threads pop up every year or so everyone is so quick the blame scalper/flippers etc, and it takes a few pages before anyone really realizes that the manufacturers themselves are equally responsible for creating the climate. I for one am not complaining about said climate, I want "limited edition collectibles."

See you all in a year for the next round of "the pointless scalper" debate.

Actually, there are three prongs of responsibility:

Manufacturers producing small numbers
Scalpers buying up the small numbers
Buyers paying the scalpers

You cannot have 1 without the others.
 
Actually, there are three prongs of responsibility:

Manufacturers producing small numbers
Scalpers buying up the small numbers
Buyers paying the scalpers

You cannot have 1 without the others.

Completely agree :lecture, my point was just that the first prong you mentioned usually goes unmentioned.
 
Where I come from, scalping is encouraged...

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Actually, there are three prongs of responsibility:

Manufacturers producing small numbers
Scalpers buying up the small numbers
Buyers paying the scalpers

You cannot have 1 without the others.


This is truth, and its very sad because if the manufacturers start producing larger numbers---the collectors start crying about it.

~~I can't believe where this thread has gone since it was started.
 
...The majority does not define right and wrong ... but a definitive right and wrong does exist, and is not a moving target. Morality is not a feeling, or a guess, or a vote -- it is a defined set of behaviors. I won't claim to always know what the right answer is ... but I do know that there is always a right answer...

The majority do define right and wrong! If the majority of people on the planet thought it was ok to kill, there wouldn't be laws against it!


How do any of us know there is "always a right answer"? And how do we know a "definitive" right and wrong exist?

We are just like every other animal species on this planet... survival of the fittest is the rule, but because we are "intelligent", or so we think, we have turned that rule on its head and created "laws" to try and prevent our instincts from ruling us. Would I want to live in a world where only instinct ruled us? No... but is it right or wrong? Who can say for certain? Science once believed the atom was the smallest particle in exsistence... then they discovered the sub-atomic particles... and so it has been since the beginning of time. We "believe" something to be truth, until it is proved wrong over time and a "new" truth evolves.
 
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