Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (September 3rd, 2021)

[TheDucky]

Reviews are allowed to be "officially" released today. No surprise, but so far, they're glowing.

Of course they are. It would racist if they weren't. Remember, if you bash a white cast movie, not racist. If you bash a non-white cast movie, racist.

Stuff like:
Shang-Chi is the best MCU movie since Avengers: Endgame


Whatever. Think I'm burnt out on being lectured/educated. And suspicious of gushing critics. Will get around to watching.

lol Black Panther 2.0.

This movie is gonna be hilariously overrated for the SJW agenda, just like Black Panther. I bet Captain Marvel, the worst MCU movie, will be better than this.

You can use this argument about worldwide popularity to literally any Marvel character that is not Hulk, Spider-man and Wolverine before the MCU.

lololololololololololololololololol

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Punisher
Daredevil
Fantastic Four
X-Men
Avengers

and about 100 other characters were more popular than Shang-Chi was before the MCU. Hell, even the little known GOTG were more popular and established than Shang-Chi was.

Pretty much any original Marvel character was popular in the comic sphere worldwide.

I agree that now Shang Chi is below GOTG popularity, but he will shine with fans of martial arts and ride along the MCU already established popularity.

Any character that Marvel adapt now will at least have an average fan base.

The character will grow over time and in the next 10 years Shang Chi will be at least relevant in level of popularity.

Nobody knew Blade before his movies, now we all are excited by his MCU debut.

ps:we are talking about non comic reader people when we talk about mainstream popularity.

I gotta be reading this wrong. You think Shang-Chi is going to be as popular as the characters from the cinematic event of the 21st century??? Or are saying his popularity will be relevant of that of the typical hero of the MCU? Gotta be the last one.

That last point I can see happening, but I don't think it will. I think this thing will bomb.

 

[user 64404]

Then how would you explain Black Widow failing? Black Widow is one of the more popular MCU characters. A lot of time has passed. The MCU steam has seriously died down. None of these movies tie into the greater picture like the previous movies leading into IW/EG. Captain Marvel would NOT have been a billion dollar movie if it wasn't smack dab in between IW & EG.

Even on D+ Black Widow didn't do much with it's $30 premium access.

Every movie will fail in 2020\2021 at box office because of the pandemic and now because of the delta variant.

Black Widow earned 125 million revenue online with premium access, people chose to watch and pay for the movie even though the torrent in hd quality was free on the internet.

Black Widow Has Earned $125M on Disney+ Alone, Total Gross Nears $500M​

Its the second one TheDucky, I believe that Shang-Chi will have the relevance of a typical hero of the MCU. And about popularity character i was talking to a non comic book reader as mainstream public.

 

[Otomofan]

I remember back in 1989 I'd follow the weekly box office total in my local newspaper. 1989 was a big year for blockbusters, what with Batman, Indy 3, Ghostbusters 2, etc.

It was very important to me that Batman win the overall total for the year, to somehow "justify" my devotion or something.

But I was 12. 12 year olds are stupid.

We're all in our 40s now. Why the hell should anyone care about how much money these greedy soulless corporations are sucking out of people's wallets? Why would anyone root for one over the other?

The less money these terribly written movies make, the better chances we'll have of seeing a renaissance in creativity.

 

[loki2371]

It's not like I want this to fail or anything. It actually looks ok and entertaining. I like Martial Arts movies. But the media tries to push things and that's what ticks me off. Claiming this one of the best MCU movies is a joke and laughable. I didn't like Black Panther. For me it's one of the worst MCU movies, yet I loved the portrayal of the character in Civil War and looked forward to his solo film. He was very different in his own movie.

The real problem is this was made because of todays social climate, not because of a character's popularity. If we weren't smack dab in the middle of all the female empowerment and minority lacking lead movies, this would never have even been on Feige's radar to adapt into the MCU.

Feige did not have Shang Chi or many of the other upcoming characters on his mind when expanding beyond the initial Thanos story arc. These movies are all reactions to being relevant for the times.

 

[user 64404]

It's not like I want this to fail or anything. It actually looks ok and entertaining. I like Martial Arts movies. But the media tries to push things and that's what ticks me off. Claiming this one of the best MCU movies is a joke and laughable. I didn't like Black Panther. For me it's one of the worst MCU movies, yet I loved the portrayal of the character in Civil War and looked forward to his solo film. He was very different in his own movie.

The real problem is this was made because of todays social climate, not because of a character's popularity. If we weren't smack dab in the middle of all the female empowerment and minority lacking lead movies, this would never have even been on Feige's radar to adapt into the MCU.

Feige did not have Shang Chi or many of the other upcoming characters on his mind when expanding beyond the initial Thanos story arc. The se movies are all reactions to being relevant for the times.

Every new movie will be the best of, its called marketing.

Whats the matter with empowerment in movies? You have every right to deslike movies like Captain Marvel (female lead), Black Panther(black lead) or Shang-Chi(asian lead), but to be against those movies just because they bring a diverse cast is bigotry and prejudice.

I agree with Otomofan, box office should not matter to us fans.

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[Wor-Gar]

Success breeds failure.

 

[loki2371]

Whats the matter with empowerment in movies?

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Nothing, if done right. Story should always come first. There were already many female lead action movies that did very well and had large fan bases. But the media makes it like they never existed before. Just like Blade. It wasn't ever hailed as being the 1st black led superhero movie like Black Panther was. Everyone forgot about it when Black Panther was being marketed.

The problem is most of this stuff just feels forced, due to today's social issues. There are MANY minority/female fans who are just as tired and annoyed with all the race swapping and gender swapping. It's not done for any other reason than pandering to the audience and for the companies to no longer be called out by the media and the SJW's as not being diverse enough.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

(That's one of my favorite representations of an Asian in a Hollywood movie....Takashi from "Revenge of the Nerds." ******* legend!)

Deleted scene from Shang Chi...

 

[loki2371]

Black Widow Has Earned $125M on Disney+ Alone, Total Gross Nears $500M​

Black Widows budget was $200 mill w/o it's marketing costs. A movie needs to Double it budget to break even. So at $500 million, that's all it did. Break even. Disney doesn't make art house movies hoping to break even. It likely needed to do $700mil + to be considered a successful movie.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Black Widows budget was $200 mill w/o it's marketing costs. A movie needs to Double it budget to break even. So at $500 million, that's all it did. Break even. Disney doesn't make art house movies hoping to break even. It likely needed to do $700mil + to be considered a successful movie.

Don't forget the interest on $300M over the year-and-then-some it took to release.

I would really love to know how they got near $500. And what does "near" actually mean? $375M is 'near'.

 

[matticus]

Don't forget the interest on $300M over the year-and-then-some it took to release.

I would really love to know how they got near $500. And what does "near" actually mean? $375M is 'near'.

I heard something about the interest compounding on the Bond film delay after delay. Huge mistake to not release this in the Summer. You knew possible variants of Covid were very possible, now studios are paying the price worse than what it could be. We all know Disney can handle it, the others, not so sure.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Kirsten's scream at "compounding daily interest" is funny.

 

[TheDucky]

When will this release on D+? November/December?

 

[matticus]

Kirsten's scream at "compounding daily interest" is funny.

 

[user 64404]

Black Widows budget was $200 mill w/o it's marketing costs. A movie needs to Double it budget to break even. So at $500 million, that's all it did. Break even. Disney doesn't make art house movies hoping to break even. It likely needed to do $700mil + to be considered a successful movie.

Dude there was no way that a movie with a budget this big to break even in a pandemic world with hybrid release, its pure logic, it sold reasonably well in first week theaters and has a good number of premium access.

You have to accept that we are now living in a pandemic world, it was impossible to reach a number to be considered a successful movie considering 2019 box office. That's why studios are constantly delaying their films.

F9 barely reached $696 worldwide, and it was exclusivity in theaters.
Black Widow is No. 5 at the box office worldwide in 2021 even with hybrid release.

Wor-Gar it's almost $500 because the box office in theaters is $369 + premium access $135 = 494 million

 

[loki2371]

I don't think anyone expected it to make big money at the box office. Thus Disney's reason for dual release at the same time.

Disney plus has 103.6 million subscribers. Black Widow made $135 million at $30 for premium access on D+. That means only 4.5 million subscribers paid to see it. That's less than 5% of subscribers. I'm sure Disney was forecasting more than that would've paid to see Black Widow.

Considering the average movie ticket is around $10, people go in pairs or more, then factor in food concessions, $30 is pretty reasonable to watch in the safety and comfort of your home. So, why didn't more people pay to see it at home? If they did, it could have easily made a lot more money and been considered a successful release.

Everything will be blamed on poor attendance at the theaters due to the pandemic. Every studio has the perfect excuse for a movie that underperformed, as opposed to realizing it just wasn't popular or well made.

 

[user 64404]

I don't think anyone expected it to make big money at the box office. Thus Disney's reason for dual release at the same time.

Disney plus has 103.6 million subscribers. Black Widow made $135 million at $30 for premium access on D+. That means only 4.5 million subscribers paid to see it. That's less than 5% of subscribers. I'm sure Disney was forecasting more than that would've paid to see Black Widow.

Considering the average movie ticket is around $10, people go in pairs or more, then factor in food concessions, $30 is pretty reasonable to watch in the safety and comfort of your home. So, why didn't more people pay to see it at home? If they did, it could have easily made a lot more money and been considered a successful release.

Everything will be blamed on poor attendance at the theaters due to the pandemic. Every studio has the perfect excuse for a movie that underperformed, as opposed to realizing it just wasn't popular or well made.

But the Pandemic is the thing that is making movies underperform, the excuse from studios is real and reasonable.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Success breeds failure.

You kind of stole that from the greatest most quotable villain ever, Bane.

"Victory has defeated you. "

 

[a-dev]

Speaking of Blade and Vampires - aswell as the mutants for that matter - I wonder if all that will come into the MCU as a result of the multiverse. Zero references or appearances up until now feels like needing an explanation which the multiverse could conveniently provide - ie. they've crossed over, they previously weren't here at all. Now they are.

Or am I all kinds of wrong here?

 

[user 64404]

Speaking of Blade and Vampires - aswell as the mutants for that matter - I wonder if all that will come into the MCU as a result of the multiverse. Zero references or appearances up until now feels like needing an explanation which the multiverse could conveniently provide - ie. they've crossed over, they previously weren't here at all. Now they are.

Or am I all kinds of wrong here?

You are kinda wrong, because actually they did not appear because they were somewhere else, just think about the scene with the Ancient One in Endgame.

She was in the battle of Nyc but not together with the Avengers, the same thing happens with Captain Marvel in the GOTG 1 or 2, where is she during Ronan the Accuser or Ego? in another place in the universe.