Should the Knights of Ren have been Snoke's guards?

[Khev]

I cant remember... What is the issue with the Holdo hyperspace move... I know the argument is.. "why not do it all the time? "

But even if Holdo never did it... Isn't it something that could have always been considered?

Now that she did it we are all up in arms about it but I could see someone sitting at home hearing Han say "we would fly right through a Star" and say "Why don't they do that with the Death Star"

I don't know that I ever really imagined the star itself blowing up in that scenario though. More like *they* disintegrate while putting little more than a dent into the actual star. If you want to interpret "fly through" as in literally fly through it from one end to the other then yes it could raise the question of why not try it against the Death Star.

I guess if I cared enough I'd hand wave the Holdo thing as her happening to hit some reactor in Snoke's ship that that widened the blast to include the other Destroyers and *that* part was the one in a million. But eh, I'm fine "meta"-ing my way around that one and not worrying about it.

I was watching RLM review of TLJ... Kinda made me hate it all over again

Those videos will do that until you actually watch the movie again and realize that you don't really care about the criticisms. On paper TLJ sounds terrible just like a copycat Fett rescuing a Yoda baby sounds terrible but then when you see it play out it's actually awesome, lol.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, it could be a can of worms. But only 2 people could do it and one is dead so that ties it up for me.

As opposed to the Holdo thing which we're told was one in a million but I find that hard to believe, and is kind of a discredit to Luke's actual one in a million shot in ANH.

Just the fact that they actually mentioned it then so unceremoniously dismissed it just cracks me up every time, lol. And I do admit that all those SJW sites outraged that TROS reduced Holdo's heroism to nothing more than blind luck makes me like it even more.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I cant remember... What is the issue with the Holdo hyperspace move... I know the argument is.. "why not do it all the time? "

But even if Holdo never did it... Isn't it something that could have always been considered?

Now that she did it we are all up in arms about it but I could see someone sitting at home hearing Han say "we would fly right through a Star" and say "Why don't they do that with the Death Star"

Yeah, I've never really understood the problem either. There's no reason to think a ship like that could've bisected a much larger Death Star; that just doesn't make any sense. But a lightspeeding ship the size of the Raddus aiming at Snoke's ship is like a bullet fired through a baseball bat. Snoke's ship didn't blow up; it was relatively flat and so got split in half. Hell, it didn't even kill Kylo, Rey, or Hux (among others aboard).

Why didn't anyone do the same thing before? Because the Rebels in the OT were able to destroy star destroyers without that being necessary. In the ROTJ scene where an A-Wing takes down a *super* star destroyer (just by flying into the unshielded bridge), there's a regular star destroyer getting blown up by the Alliance right before that. You can see it at the beginning of this clip:



So, again: why would the Alliance be bothering to bisect a star destroyer in the OT if they were completely destroying them without having to sacrifice a precious asset like a giant cruiser-class starship?

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Yeah, I've never really understood the problem either. There's no reason to think a ship like that could've bisected a much larger Death Star; that just doesn't make any sense.

I haven't crunched the numbers or done the necessary research for an apples to apples comparison but I would tend to think asteroids suggest otherwise.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I haven't crunched the numbers or done the necessary research for an apples to apples comparison but I would tend to think asteroids suggest otherwise.

Are you talking about the Atari game?

 

[The Buffinator]

I'm okay with the instances of Rey& Kylo passing notes because it's specifically mentioned that they have a unique connection & it seems impulsive & surprising even to them. And while it's not explained outright there is a progression of them building on each others' skills which I think is kind of cool in the absence of formal teachers. So I would assume these things could not be replicated by your bog standard, arena running team jedi.

The Holdo maneuver is harder to swallow for me because it's a surprise but it's hardly noted. Even the line in RoS is a hand wave at best. It's more of a meta problem in a way. Like how horror movies always have to disable cel phones now.

It's not just notes though it's tangible objects.

In ESB Luke struggles using the force to move objects. Yoda shows him that "size matters not". On that note now that you can teleport objects using the force, that tells me the force can teleport ships and whatever else as well. What if someone is on a ship that is teleported, do they go with it? Do you even need to fly to get from place to place anymore? It's a can of worms that never ends.

Yeah, it could be a can of worms. But only 2 people could do it and one is dead so that ties it up for me.

As opposed to the Holdo thing which we're told was one in a million but I find that hard to believe, and is kind of a discredit to Luke's actual one in a million shot in ANH.

I'm OK with Rey teleporting the saber to Ben because (as Junkion said) it seemed a natural progression from what occurred previously. And it was Palp's Snoke puppet that inadvertently showed them it was possible in TLJ when he linked their minds. Kylo's glove getting wet from the rain on Ach-To was the first example of it happening. Plus they were in reasonably close proximity when she passed him the saber. If anything, IMO Kylo's grabbing the necklace Rey was wearing on Pasaana was a bigger WTF moment. But as it only was possible due to their one-in-a-million dyad (like Luke's shot into the original DS's ventilator shaft!), I'm OK with it.

 

[punisher1974]

Do you think Kylo impregnated her that way? Or did it just impact on the surface?

 

[YoNoSe]

Can Force Consent be an oxymoron and a thing?

Only philosoraptor knows...

 

[ajp4mgs]

Can Force Consent be an oxymoron and a thing?

Only philosoraptor knows...

I wanna be recipient of a Junkion wit transplant. Very envious of how your mind works.

 

[JAWS]

I don't know that I ever really imagined the star itself blowing up in that scenario though. More like *they* disintegrate while putting little more than a dent into the actual star. If you want to interpret "fly through" as in literally fly through it from one end to the other then yes it could raise the question of why not try it against the Death Star.

Well I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a space cruiser and not a star.. I think something going the speed of light the size of an Xwing would do some damage to the death star.. A larger ship would probably take care of a death star for good though. ​

I guess if I cared enough I'd hand wave the Holdo thing as her happening to hit some reactor in Snoke's ship that that widened the blast to include the other Destroyers and *that* part was the one in a million. But eh, I'm fine "meta"-ing my way around that one and not worrying about it

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I am fine with how it was portrayed and it does not bother me in the least.. Why not use Jedi mind tricks all the time to get what you need from your enemies?

Yeah, I've never really understood the problem either. There's no reason to think a ship like that could've bisected a much larger Death Star; that just doesn't make any sense. But a lightspeeding ship the size of the Raddus aiming at Snoke's ship is like a bullet fired through a baseball bat. Snoke's ship didn't blow up; it was relatively flat and so got split in half. Hell, it didn't even kill Kylo, Rey, or Hux (among others aboard).

Why didn't anyone do the same thing before? Because the Rebels in the OT were able to destroy star destroyers without that being necessary. In the ROTJ scene where an A-Wing takes down a *super* star destroyer (just by flying into the unshielded bridge), there's a regular star destroyer getting blown up by the Alliance right before that. You can see it at the beginning of this clip:



So, again: why would the Alliance be bothering to bisect a star destroyer in the OT if they were completely destroying them without having to sacrifice a precious asset like a giant cruiser-class starship?

Agreed.

 

[The Buffinator]

Well I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a space cruiser and not a star.. I think something going the speed of light the size of an Xwing would do some damage to the death star.. A larger ship would probably take care of a death star for good though. ​

But the DS was the size of a small moon, so from its perspective a cruiser isn't that significantly bigger than an X-Wing. It would do a lot of damage, but it still probably wouldn't have sufficient mass to take it out completely.