Sick of Konquests, Surveys, and Petitions

[King Darkness]

First, I want to acknowledge the KKK comment. I sincerely doubt Mikey was trying to offend anyone with it. The point that I think he was trying to make (and, Mikey, correct me if I'm wrong) is that what started out as a passionate, worthwhile petitioning group has seemingly descended into a rowdy, fanatical, and almost cult-like group of collectors. The absurdity of many Krusade points, the bizarre titles ("Grand Master", "High Priest", etc.) has, over time, begun to come off as taking itself far too seriously. That's where it stops being in good fun and starts to become disturbing and unsettling.

Ok....Lets put all the thread hyjacking,over posting, and any other Krusade knocking aside for a moment...

You state that the Krusade is taking itself to seriously by giving eachother nick names...That is become "distrurbing" and "unsettling"...Who's taking the Krusade to seriously now.

You guys are acting like were starting a cult that going to sweep the nation and are going kill people in their beds. Lets put this into perspective...Theres about 10 whole members, on a message board, who have never seen or met eachother.This is an iternet message board for Gods sake. How exactly is calling myself King "disturbing" or "unsettling".

If the over posting is the issue, then stick to the issue. You are being way over dramatic with the "cult-like group of collectors". Thats laughable. You make some good points in your post, but this "KKK" and "cult" stuff has to stop. Your going way over board with it.

If anyone is taking the Krusade to seriously its you.

 

[JGouse0498]

You guys all make good points..... And I understand where you are coming from.... I've never been a very vocal Krusader as it is. I just wanted a figure and liked joking around with my buddies on here.

I, for one, apologize for our Krusade. But it still leaves a sick taste in my mouth. No one ever complained about FETT FETT FETT!!! or INDY INDY INDY!.... so we are feeling pretty singled out here. But I think any one of these examples have bothered people before....so it's not just the Kurgans.

Yeah, that had occurred to me as well.

The difference is the saturation level.

"FETT FETT FETT!!!" and "INDY INDY INDY!" simply was not nearly as high-profile because there were not numerous threads started over it and it didn't permeate completely unrelated topics nearly as much as the Kurgan Krusade (hence the reason I posted all those links).

I do want to say that my problem is with the Krusade NOT with the members themselves. Many are cool people. Like you, Josh.

 

[JGouse0498]

Ok....Lets put all the thread hyjacking,over posting, and any other Krusade knocking aside for a moment...

You state that the Krusade is taking itself to seriously by giving eachother nick names...That is become "distrurbing" and "unsettling"...Who's taking the Krusade to seriously now.

You guys are acting like were starting a cult that going to sweep the nation and are going kill people in their beds. Lets put this into perspective...Theres about 10 whole members, on a message board, who have never seen or met eachother.This is an iternet message board for Gods sake. How exactly is calling myself King "disturbing" or "unsettling".

If the over posting is the issue, then stick to the issue. You are being way over dramatic with the "cult-like group of collectors". Thats laughable. You make some good points in your post, but this "KKK" and "cult" stuff has to stop. Your going way over board with it.

If anyone is taking the Krusade to seriously its you.

I do have things clearly in perspective. The Kurgan Krusade for me (and apparently quite a few other people) has become an annoyance. I'm sure it's been made clear by now that I'm the kind of person that takes this hobby seriously (yeah, maybe too seriously at times...I'll freely admit that), and I wanted to express ALL my feelings on the matter.

As for the "cult" comment, I was merely trying to rephrase what I felt Mikey's position was...not necessarily my own. If that part came off another way, I apologize as it was not my intent.

If it'd make people happy, I'll censor myself in that case and delete the cult reference.

As for referring to it as disturbing and unsettling, keep in mind that many of us have never met face-to-face before. The only way we know each other and our personalities is through the words we post.

When a joke gets taken too far in someone's eyes, it can take on an entirely new dimension.

Let's face it...Kurgan is a disturbing character. When members emulate that persona to such a consistent, high extent in their posting, it starts to imprint itself on those members' already established "digital" personalities. Again, I'll only speak for myself...I start having a hard time distinguishing if someone is still joking or not. Granted, I don't believe anyone is going to eat babies, but the passion starts to look overly-fanatical after awhile.

Hope that clarifies my position a little more.

 

[King Darkness]

I do have things clearly in perspective. The Kurgan Krusade for me (and apparently quite a few other people) has become an annoyance. I'm sure it's been made clear by now that I'm the kind of person that takes this hobby seriously (yeah, maybe too seriously at times...I'll freely admit that), and I wanted to express ALL my feelings on the matter.

As for the "cult" comment, I was merely trying to rephrase what I felt Mikey's position was...not necessarily my own. If that part came off another way, I apologize as it was not my intent.

If it'd make people happy, I'll censor myself in that case and delete the cult reference.

As for referring to it as disturbing and unsettling, keep in mind that many of us have never met face-to-face before. The only way we know each other and our personalities is through the words we post.

When a joke gets taken too far in someone's eyes, it can take on an entirely new dimension.

Let's face it...Kurgan is a disturbing character. When members emulate that persona to such a consistent, high extent in their posting, it starts to imprint itself on those members' already established "digital" personalities. Again, I'll only speak for myself...I start having a hard time distinguishing if someone is still joking or not. Granted, I don't believe anyone is going to eat babies, but the passion starts to look overly-fanatical after awhile.

Hope that clarifies my position a little more.

I understand what you are tyring to say, its just that comparing me posting on a message board to a "cult" or the "KKK" really upsets me. I have close to 3,000 posts on this board. About 300 of which have been Krusade related. I fell that my other 2,700 post should have shown my personality to those here. I didn't know that my character as a person was being judged by the post I make in the Krusade.

Anyway, I not disputeing that there are those annoyed by the Krusade, all I'am saying is the "cult" and "KKK" stuff is far off base, and really shouldn't have anything to do with over posting or hyjacking threads!

 

[King Darkness]

Ok....


I have read over this thread, word for word, a couple of times now. Now that my intial reaction of anger( more offened than angy) has settled down I would like to say a few things.

First I fully understand where everyone who has posted that they are sick of the krusade are coming from. This is, and has always been a freindly board to me. I love coming here coming here everyday to see what evey one has to say. I fell that I have made real freinds here and I dont want to jepordize that. I can see how some of our over posting has been annoying to some, though I must say it was all in good fun, and I thought everyone here understood that. If Dave or the other mods feel that I, or we, or certian members have gone to far I openly opalagize for that.

It was never my intention to anger or upset anyone on this board. I do however feel that some may have taken much of what has been said in the Krusade far to seriously. ANYTHING said in the Krusade, other than the fact that i really do want a Medievalk Kurgan figure created, has all been in fun. With the large fonts and over the top threats of violence, I dont see how it could have been taken as anything but that. Believe me, I have no intentions of eating babies or "storming the gates of Sideshow".

The original, and still current, intention was to bring attention the the Krusade. With the posting of this thread, it is obvious we have done that. Perhaps the "hyjacking' of threads was to far, but I stand behind the fact that we are not the only ones who have done it. We just did it with a little more persistence.

There were a few things said in this thread that DID anger me, and I feel that I have addressed them enough already. I hate that the Krusade was single out here, but I understand why. Trust me, I dont live in a cave, eat babies or start cults.

I feel I have said all I can say on the subject. Please understand that the Krusade was, and still is, fun for me. I will keep my banner and post in any Kurgan threads that arise, and I will keep posting in the Krusade thread.

Just remeber, that before I was a Krusader I was a member of this board like everyone else. I intend to stay a member of this board and stay a member of the Krusade.

 

[JGouse0498]

I understand what you are tyring to say, its just that comparing me posting on a message board to a "cult" or the "KKK" really upsets me. I have close to 3,000 posts on this board. About 300 of which have been Krusade related. I fell that my other 2,700 post should have shown my personality to those here. I didn't know that my character as a person was being judged by the post I make in the Krusade.

Anyway, I not disputeing that there are those annoyed by the Krusade, all I'am saying is the "cult" and "KKK" stuff is far off base, and really shouldn't have anything to do with over posting or hyjacking threads!

I'd like to refer to this post I made (granted I was typing it at the same time you were posting, so you didn't know about it at the time)

I do want to say that my problem is with the Krusade NOT with the members themselves. Many are cool people. Like you, Josh.

I'd extend that statement to you too, Chase. I'd rather not get into personal attack territory by getting specific because it's not appropriate and it'd be detrimental to the issues I have with the Krusade as a whole. But I really wasn't trying to aim that at you in particular. Heck, you're one of my more vocal supporters when I get a wild impulse and go Photoshop-posting crazy!!!

And that goes for other Krusaders. It's not you as a person...just the "Krusade" side of you when it gets carried away.

What I was getting at was that the Krusade posts can sometimes make me stop and starting thinking twice about the members posting it. It's like knowing someone for years and suddenly one day they start doing a few things that are extremely out of character. Most people would probably start having a nagging feeling in the back of their mind.

Again, my comments regarding "cults" was just me trying to rephrase what I felt Mikey was getting at...not necessarily my own personal opinion. My opinion was in the rest of that ridiculously long thread.

Honestly, I felt the KKK remark was off-base too, but I felt compelled to try to clarify it rationally before a lot of people starting raining down on Customikey. I work in the children's mental health field, so it's a daily thing for me to be a logical mediator of problems. Sometimes, it carries over, and I wear the "mediator" hat at times when I probably shouldn't.

And then there are times I act like my own clients...

Please understand that the Krusade was, and still is, fun for me. I will keep my banner and post in any Kurgan threads that arise, and I will keep posting in the Krusade thread.

Just remeber, that before I was a Krusader I was a member of this board like everyone else. I intend to stay a member of this board and stay a member of the Krusade.

I honestly can't see anyone having a problem with that position at all. If it's a Kurgan thread, enter at your own risk, I say!!!

But I would still suggest maybe trying out some new approaches to the campaign. Obviously, a lot of people (Andy B. included) are tired of this approach. I think you should keep this going as an inside joke and for fun, but try another approach for the official "convince SSC to make Origins Kurgan" push.

I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I made some suggestions in my first post in this thread. Maybe there's something you can use in there.

 

[King Darkness]

I'd like to refer to this post I made (granted I was typing it at the same time you were posting, so you didn't know about it at the time)



I'd extend that statement to you too, Chase. I'd rather not get into personal attack territory by getting specific because it's not appropriate and it'd be detrimental to the issues I have with the Krusade as a whole. But I really wasn't trying to aim that at you in particular. Heck, you're one of my more vocal supporters when I get a wild impulse and go Photoshop-posting crazy!!!

And that goes for other Krusaders. It's not you as a person...just the "Krusade" side of you when it gets carried away.

What I was getting at was that the Krusade posts can sometimes make me stop and starting thinking twice about the members posting it. It's like knowing someone for years and suddenly one day they start doing a few things that are extremely out of character. Most people would probably start having a nagging feeling in the back of their mind.

Again, my comments regarding "cults" was just me trying to rephrase what I felt Mikey was getting at...not necessarily my own personal opinion. My opinion was in the rest of that ridiculously long thread.

Honestly, I felt the KKK remark was off-base too, but I felt compelled to try to clarify it rationally before a lot of people starting raining down on Customikey. I work in the children's mental health field, so it's a daily thing for me to be a logical mediator of problems. Sometimes, it carries over, and I wear the "mediator" hat at times when I probably shouldn't.

And then there are times I act like my own clients...

All is good man...I did take some offence, but I have sence sat back a reread the thread as a whole and undertand were people, such as yourself, are coming from. I have no ill will towards you in the least.

 

[dr2red]

I am only going to say this once so please listen.

It was a bit of fun and now it's done.

Goodbye to you all

It's been a ball


Goodbye!

 

[Customikey]

First, I want to apologize to all my friends who are offended by the KKK reference. Every single one of you.

I was being honest. The fanaticism with which the Krusade has been pursued and the manner in which Krusaders addressed each other, combined with the titles, etc. disturbed me quite a bit. And just because you are Jewish, hispanic, etc. does not mean you are above fanaticism.

However, the reference clouded the issue, which is exactly what I did not want. I inadvertantly offended you because I was inadvertantly offended myself.

I apologize sincerely and deeply. I'd edit my comment, striking it from the board entirely if I thought I could do it without ruining the posts that came after.

The issue is, and has been for me from the beginning, the propensity of many of us, not just the Kurganites, to turn our sigs into billboards so that every post is a commercial, and the needless hijckaing of threads.

Now, in my mind there are two kinds of hijacking. The first is harmless, where we go off-topic, but we are still having a constructive conversation about SOMETHING. Conversation does that. It flows. It goes off-track. But it remains a conversation.

Then there is the second kind, where we are all having a good conversation then someone interrupts with a huge commercial for their agenda. Then ten other people give a shout out to that agenda with even more obnxious billboards and commercials.

And I'll say it again. THis thread was never intended to point the finger directly at the Kurganites. They are not the only ones who have been guilty of this. Others have decided to focus on the Krusade. THat is where this conversation has led. In my mind, it is somewhat off-topic, but we're still in the same realm of conversation.

I want to say this again, now having clarified my position for the fourth time, I did not intend to insult anyone. I am extremely sorry and apologize for the KKK reference. ANd the idea that I have induced anyone to leave this forum is abhorant to me. I never wanted anyone to leave. There is an issue here. And it should be discussed openly.

But my position, which I hope is clear, remains the same.

 

[Agent0028]

This thread feels like a Freaks Board Town Meeting, so I'll just toss in that y'all never bothered me any.

 

[Darth Loki]

I understand both sides of the argument here. The sad thing is, both are right. I've noticed what Mikey is talking about with the crusades or whatever else you want to call them. It can be a bit annoying but it is their right to say whatever they want (within reason) and have a sig depicting the same (again, within reason). It's part of the 1st ammendment which I won't get into here because it can be a very touchy subject for some. The only thing I would ask is for the Crusaders, any kind not just Kurgan, to have respect for other's threads and post. For the most part, I'd say they have shown that respect. Except in the introduction forum.

And what's wrong with big read letters Mikey

 

[occulum]

I dont mind the Krusade as long as it stays in the related threads.
90% of all thread derailments are unintentional. Someone mentions something that someone else relates to and they post about it and off it goes, but its usually not on purpose.
Posting the Kurgan Krusade call in completely unrelated threads is intentional, and can be irritating.

Do something that would really make a difference such as an official "I will commit to buying a M.Kurgan if SS would make one" petition. and get as many sigs as possible. SS is going to view that much more realistically from a business standpoint.

i will say it is getting a little out of hand lately, but at first I thought it was funny. Reminded me so much of the LOTR SouthPark episode, just with Kurganites.

 

[JGouse0498]

Do something that would really make a difference such as an official "I will commit to buying a M.Kurgan if SS would make one" petition. and get as many sigs as possible. SS is going to view that much more realistically from a business standpoint.

Again, a possibility...

1) Gather a list of collectors who would commit to buying a Medieval Kurgan figure. I mean an actual list of real names rather than screen names.

2) State all the positives of making such a figure in order to help convince Sideshow.

3) If you are that fully committed to absolutely buying this figure, pledge a certain percentage of a non-refundable deposit on this figure. Mail it to Sideshow to help off-set development costs and to prove your commitment. If not enough collectors get on board or Sideshow still decides not to pursue it, they can refund the deposits. Yeah, that takes some work on their part, but people are always professing how collector-oriented SSC is. This seems like it'd be right up their alley.

4) For Sideshow's part (other than what I just mentioned), implement a cancellation fee for this figure. Yes, it's a departure from the norm, but nearly every other retailer has one. I think it'd be warranted in this case. Besides, how many "Krusaders" would actually cancel this?? Between the deposit and cancellation fee, that should cut down on the amount of money SSC stands to lose if the figure tanks.

Reminded me so much of the LOTR SouthPark episode, just with Kurganites.

Now there's a classic episode!!!!!

 

[The Josh]

Alright I guess it's time for me to chime in because as you all know I usually have something to say about everything going on here.

I have no problems with the Kurgan folks at all. As a matter of fact I've posted in their thread a couple times as has my FATHER who joined the board. They even gave him a title which we both laugh about it like we are little kids.

Now, as far as the thread highjacking goes I don't recall seeing much in the way of them taking a thread over and just messing it up. I've seen more of that from people asking for Boba Fett, me with Darth Maul, Indy, etc. Than I have from the Kurgan folks they seem to stay in their thread. I guess the banners could be considered high jacking if the banner is huge which a few of them are. All it takes then is for them to make it a bit smaller and the problem is solved. I mean I guess my banner could be considered highjacking for my LOTR SSW site because I post all over the place and have nearly 16k posts.

I know nothing was meant by the cult or KKK refrences but that was way out of line. Those compairisons should never have even come up at all because it's just plain silly. Now, it's been apologized for and time to move on.

In the end I'd rather see someone make a thread like this and rail on the folks who like to do nothing but nag about each new item. They IMO bring down the fun of a board more than the folks who truly want something to enjoy like a Kurgan figure.

 

[pixletwin]

....I know nothing was meant by the cult or KKK refrences but that was way out of line. Those compairisons should never have even come up at all because it's just plain silly. Now, it's been apologized for and time to move on....

It is a far cry from a bunch of guys pretending to be Russian Kurgans (and our probably inaccurate view of what that means) and a group of people who thrived on imtimidation and ritual lynching.

That being said, boards are for people to discuss things and have fun. For some people it is not fun to have a thread derailed (to whatever degree) by other people with a different idea of fun. I understand Mikey. Especially his analogy of being bombarded by advertisements.

On the whole I feel a thread dedicated to addressing the "problem" was unnecessary. Mikey could have accomplished alot more (at least with me) if he had just PM'd me. I understand and I would have (and still will) made an effort to contain my enthusiasm where appropriate. If it bothered Mikey he should have just came to us and told us instead of dragging the whole board through, especially since I am sure I believe consider Mikey to be a good friend (which I still do and I know I am not alone).

That is all I have to say about the subject.

 

[carbo-fation]

The Kurgan threads never bothered me at all! Usually if something bothers me, I just ignore it, especially on an online forum!

 

[Shai]

*Has a terrible sour taste in mouth*

*Needs to vomit*

 

[Mithrandier]

Re: Whining

My first thoughts of reading this thread was, wow. I mean WOW. Time to move to another board, things are too serious when the Krusaders are being taken serious.

I joined the board strictly for the LOTR side of it, originally. When I would give my opinion on pieces or wants and wishes from Sideshow, there were 2 distinct individuals who would then attack my views and opinions. I never attacked anybodies opinion, just had one that was my own and these two a$$holes didn't like it. I myself think that type of posting was hijacking. Because the point of the thread was now 2 posters picking on another and him defending himself. So much that when these two would attack another poster, which usually they did with just about every post he made, I would try to jump to his defense, in turn hijacking their hijhacked thread instead of ignoring them for the censored$ they are.

I for one am not upset by banners(occulum has an awesome one by the way) in signatures, titles, screennames or anything. I do think threads should stay on topic and off topic posts should just be ignored.

But in all reality, these guys and gals are just trying to have a little fun. I cannot speak for anybody, but for the most part, with any post, I am just having

FUN​

.

I also hope that dr2red's goodbye was not a final goodbye. I will give my opinion on that note: If in fact she has left, I do not think the reason she is leaving is because of the Kurgans. And that is my opinion.

 

[galactiboy]

Yes it should be very clear that any and all posts I have made regarding pillaging and hailing member is totally and 100% in jest... this has been a fun Krusade and I really enjoy messing around with the fellow faithfuls. But in all seriousness I have been careful not to hijack threads since our early posting wars with the Ape thread. We have welcomed people to check out our Krusade in the introductions and I guess that could be a form of hijacking... but usually intros mostly consist of random emoticoms so I can't imagine its all that terrible.

But to ease the pain of the Krusade for others I am fine keeping the large fontery usage to the Main Kurgan threads, as I have been for awhile.

And Mikey, I do appreciate what you said about retracting the KKK statement.

 

[Jesseawilson]

Anything repeated enough times to those not interested will get annoying, like getting up and going to work everyday for me does..........


Knowing that there is absolutly no chance in the furthest recesses of a frozen over hell you still want to have your little club then just keep posts to the club threads and I really dont think there will be any problems.

If you can "understand" where Mikey is coming from then you noticed it too, wheather it bothered you or not you did notice it. I am one of those that knew exactly what he was talking about when I read the thread.


Anyone that thinks that this is somehow about censorship or the KKK are taking things to the extreme I think. It was justa post to say; "hey, I have noticed the excess and it's geting a little annoying to me".



Jesse


PS lets ban Danny that dam instigator............