Sideshow Superman Man Of Steel Premium Format

[Asdf]

I remember when SS fanboys could call Hot Toys fanboys "Toy Collectors".

Ah the good ole days, they do go by so fast.

First hollow sculpts ... Retort I collect weight not statues.

Second no ES ... retort I collect ES not statues.

Third no polystone but PVC ... Retort I collect PVC not statues.

Welcome to the new world of 1/4 scale Nonexclusive plastic blow molded toy collecting aka SSC

I only kid because I care.

It's the truth though.

 

[federico]

How arrogant the response from SS, makes me sick
and SF MoS thread has been locked up, good one.
I was one step to pull the trigger to order MoS, luckily saw the in hand pics and felt something wrong with it, too shinny the finish of statue turned out it is not a "statue" but a figure, how sad I really want a Cavill Sups statue.

 

[Darklord Dave]

The prototype used a much more expensive resin then the resin they use for production versions. The bottom line was it was cheaper to use PVC then the resin they used on the prototype, at least that's what I get from reading all the posts...

SS was already making a profit with the polystone, how much more profit with the PVC?

People aren't listening and choosing to believe only what feeds their misplaced anger.


Here is Igo's explanation from Statue forum. I'm sorry he doesn't post here but I hope he won't mind the cross post:

Just so you guys know, we only went with non-polystone on this because that's the only way to control the cut & sew printed element for the ENTIRE suit. Comparing this to a koto all-sculpt piece is apples to bulldozers.

We dont always advertise on the front end what the material will be because frankly we dont know, but the only reason we went plastic on the body was to get the suit made, otherwise it wouldnt have been possible as a cut & sew item.

Wonder Woman, Powergirl, any other "all sculpt" item will more than likely be resin, same for 99.9% of all the statues we ahve ever made.

At the end of the day, just because it's "plastic" AGAIN, doesnt make it cheaper to produce, it's always more expensive, drastically more-so on low-runs like this. So you're actually getting a more expensive piece.

Plastics hold better shape and better detail than resin does. It's actually a far superior material than resin, but people LOVE the resin because it weighs more…

Anyways, not saying you dont have a right to complain not knowing EXACTLY what you're getting, but at the end of the day you're supposed to get what you see in the gallery. If it's not up to your expectations, return it.

 

[VS1976]

I really think that if SSC had made the change from polystone to PVC, they should had notified the consumer and maybe give them a discount on the statue. I get what Igo is saying about PVC costing them more because this is a low run ES, but end of the day, the people buying it are collectors. We don't generally associate 1:4 scale statues as PVC figures / statues. There is a big difference whether SSC (or any company) wants to believe it or not.

 

[dan350zr]

SS has said that the prototype was made from 100% polystone, they had no issues with the suit with the prototype... So I'm not sure why the production pieces would have any issues. From Igo explanation I can only guess that the polystone bodies were not consistent shape wise and it was throwing off the mix media outfits.... (( shrug ))

People aren't listening and choosing to believe only what feeds their misplaced anger.


Here is Igo's explanation from Statue forum. I'm sorry he doesn't post here but I hope he won't mind the cross post:

 

[marker2037]

As long as the material is high quality and the piece looks good to me on the shelf, I couldn't care if it was made out of watermelon rinds

 

[nemenforcer]

Materials aside SS has been missing the mark on their face painting apps lately. Has me worried about future orders. I won't settle.

 

[marker2037]

Paint is a whole different ballgame. I personally haven't had any issues though as my latest, Superman PF, came pretty perfect and in general the paint apps on those were outstanding. I just hope Allied Cap was done as well as him.

 

[federico]

As long as the material is high quality and the piece looks good to me on the shelf, I couldn't care if it was made out of watermelon rinds

So you don't care if the pvc figure bents or deforms months or years later?

 

[Solarsailor]

As long as the material is high quality and the piece looks good to me on the shelf, I couldn't care if it was made out of watermelon rinds

I saw Bruce's video on this. I think it's pretty bad myself. Statue's are supposed to be statue's - end of. They did the same thing on the Sauron PF, which is exactly why I bumped it on in the end.The head sculpt on that and some of the armour felt and LOOKED cheap. When you get a custom statue the weight and paint apps really add to the quality and presence of a piece. For some collectors they may only be able to afford one or two pieces that are supposed to be a center piece in a collection. A center piece of PVC? No thanks.

If I knew a statue was made out of PVC I'd just get the 5 times cheaper NECA figures and re-paint them. This statue was not my taste anyway, plus I don't collect Sideshow much anymore. Another notch in the belt for XM studio's. I'm glad my time in this hobby is coming to an end. I'm going to sit back and enjoy my collection before this is the standard.

 

[marker2037]

So you don't care if the pvc figure bents or deforms months or years later?

Didn't I mention "high quality"? That implied that, no, I wouldn't want that or settle for that. High quality, but don't care what material that high quality material is. Carbon fiber? Sure, if it's high quality carbon fiber. Polystone? Sure, if it's high quality polystone. PVC? Sure, if it's high quality PVC. Wood? ...... you get where I'm going.

 

[Asdf]

PF of the Year Here

 

[marker2037]

I saw Bruce's video on this. I think it's pretty bad myself. Statue's are supposed to be statue's - end of. They did the same thing on the Sauron PF, which is exactly why I bumped it on in the end.The head sculpt on that and some of the armour felt and LOOKED cheap. When you get a custom statue the weight and paint apps really add to the quality and presence of a piece. For some collectors they may only be able to afford one or two pieces that are supposed to be a center piece in a collection. A center piece of PVC? No thanks.

If I knew a statue was made out of PVC I'd just get the 5 times cheaper NECA figures and re-paint them. This statue was not my taste anyway, plus I don't collect Sideshow much anymore. Another notch in the belt for XM studio's. I'm glad my time in this hobby is coming to an end. I'm going to sit back and enjoy my collection before this is the standard.

To each their own. I have Sauron and he's outstanding. I also have XM pieces ordered. Those 2 things mentioned alone have plenty of different materials.

 

[nemenforcer]

I saw Bruce's video on this. I think it's pretty bad myself. Statue's are supposed to be statue's - end of. They did the same thing on the Sauron PF, which is exactly why I bumped it on in the end.The head sculpt on that and some of the armour felt and LOOKED cheap. When you get a custom statue the weight and paint apps really add to the quality and presence of a piece. For some collectors they may only be able to afford one or two pieces that are supposed to be a center piece in a collection. A center piece of PVC? No thanks.

If I knew a statue was made out of PVC I'd just get the 5 times cheaper NECA figures and re-paint them. This statue was not my taste anyway, plus I don't collect Sideshow much anymore. Another notch in the belt for XM studio's. I'm glad my time in this hobby is coming to an end. I'm going to sit back and enjoy my collection before this is the standard.

Yeah, I sent my Sauron PF packing back to SS. I just couldn't convince myself to love it. The material not only felt like plastic but it looked like plastic as well imo. No regrets letting him go.

 

[Trace]

I really think that if SSC had made the change from polystone to PVC, they should had notified the consumer and maybe give them a discount on the statue. I get what Igo is saying about PVC costing them more because this is a low run ES, but end of the day, the people buying it are collectors. We don't generally associate 1:4 scale statues as PVC figures / statues. There is a big difference whether SSC (or any company) wants to believe it or not.

Agree on this.
I think somehow SS should do a study on the feedback of their customers. There's been a lot of complaints lately on a statue being hollow but a lot of collectors are somehow open to this since such big figures will be too heavy if solid, however their concern is that it's too thin that it will compromise the durability of the statue and felt short changed for the amount they paid. Now shifting to PVC, most also felt the same thing.

 

[Irvy]

I don't think I've ever heard of a company choosing a material that is more expensive to produce and still charging the standard rate...

There's no way you can justify 400 bucks for a big plastic statue.

 

[rockyelkhunter]

Making a prototype is different then mass production, SS said the change was because of the cut and sew process, I believe it was because of the tightness of the outfit to show off the muscles, the mold under the outfit had to be perfect. I don't think it was for stability. PVC probably cost less, but I don't think that much. All in all I would say it cost SS around $100.00 tops to produce any PF. The materials they use aren't that expensive.

 

[federico]

ok, I get it, I just don't believe hight quality pvc doesn't bent.

 

[Jimbits76]

Well it's now too late for me. It's at the local fed ex point so will be delivered today or tomorrow.
I thought about it last night and decided to refuse customs clearance as per sideshows recommendation but it cleared customs late last night. I still like the look of the statue, I just worry about longevity and the new seam photos do little to help my concerns about the finished item.

So now...with discounts I paid around £210 for this with shipping. Adding the customs charge would be another £60 so all in £270.
If I return I'll get £210 back minus international shipping cost. Say that is £40, it means I've paid £100 and have nothing to show for it.

If I keep it and am unhappy with it selling it on is going to be a nightmare as who really wants it now?

As I said, I like the look. I'm about 90% on the figure itself (shiny paint and seams are my main problem) so if I get a decent looking statue I'll live with it but I'm gonna be worried about deformity and collapse in the future.

Very unhappy with Sideshow over this. Was looking forward to Spooktacular to collect some reward points but haven't bothered since this news broke as I will not be buying a pf from them again.

 

[Solarsailor]

So I read Igo's interaction on SF to give them a bit of the benefit of the doubt. Guy should have stayed quiet or just said sorry. He's made it 10 times worse than it would have been over there. One post he say's something like " We didn't ever say it was poly-stone"

Talk about throwing a match on some tinder. I mean why the hell would anybody think it would be made of polystone, when you've been selling polystone statues for 10 years....? bahaahahahah.

Seriously I feel sorry for you international guys like me. It's a one way ticket most of the time - ALWAYS wait on in hand. There is zero reason to PO. Half of the EX editions are rubbish these days anyway.