Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Johnson understood Luke just fine. People often change after 30 years, especially on account of profound emotional trauma. To ignore that fact is to simply demand that Luke be forever frozen in some kind of "Disney-fied" trance of heroic perfection. That might be great for cartoons or something but I'm glad that isn't what we got on film.

in your dreams

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

The more I think about it the more I see that Johnson never understood who Luke was. Hamill was right. Luke would never just give up on everything like he did. If he could see some good in Vader who was no doubt way more evil than Kylo Ren then he surely knew that Ren could be saved also.

agreed

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

People tend to be more optimistic and hopeful in their youth, trying to persevere to right the wrongs in people and the world. As you get older, sometimes you see the most clear cut way to prevent harm is by doing that thing you wouldn't have done in your youth, like (momentarily considering) killing Ben. Also, as these things weigh on your soul, the tragedies, the loss and pain, they wear you down and change you. I can understand Luke exiling himself, as I'm sure he felt responsible for Ben and the death of his students, he likely felt the galaxy was better off without him.

A person in their 20's or even 30's likely won't get that, but I think the older you get, the more you will understand Luke in TLJ.



Edit - Wow Khev, we're on the same page I see! Literally wrote something very similar at he same time.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think it's too bad that you were apparently so sold on your own personal fan theories that you haven't been able to see that what Johnson did with Luke was every bit as gutsy and more importantly poignant as what Mangold did with Logan and Xavier, if not moreso.

What crazy rule exists that says that when a hero stops himself mid-murderous rampage and then tosses away his lightsaber that suddenly he's this perfected being of light that is immune to any further temptation, inadequacy, failure, depression, etc.? That's some goofy arbitrary limitation that apparently *only* applies to Star Wars. When Professor X slaughters his entire school of students? Oh that's transcendent art. A real evolution of the genre. But if Luke Skywalker even *thinks* about killing *one* student who is on a path of galaxy wide destruction? Well crap that just breaks the Saga. Funny I don't recall any notmyprofessor hashtags or Jake Xavier memes when Logan was in theaters.

You keep bringing up this example like it’s irrefutable, but it’s terrible.

Xavier had an unspecified illness coupled with Alzheimer’s which made him have seizures that resulted in his psychic powers being amplified to deadly levels along with a complete loss of control. He also ended up killing and wounding some of the x-men. He was left broken from the experience, was often delirious, and had to be constantly calmed to prevent further outbursts. While lucid, he couldn’t remember Logan most of the time or weeped like a baby at others. What was once his greatest asset in helping humanity did more damage to those he loved, just through a simple illness, than any of his super powered enemies ever did. That is tragic. And poetic, though sad.

Luke on the other hand, ‘sensed’ great darkness in Kylo, and came close to murdering him (while still a child) in his sleep, and then took off after Kylo murdered the rest (also side note: what was Luke doing while this happened? Was he under the rubble the whole time? Were the knights of ren literally on call to be there in the next few minutes?) due to being disappointed/sad and cut himself off from the force or helping others. How are these 2 the same?

Xavier is a telepath, he doesn’t have to sense anything, he knows *exactly* what is in someone’s mind. And yet he still befriends and tries to save magneto/Erik every chance he gets, knowing full well the horrors he’s capable of and has already committed. He could mentally lobotomize him if he wished to, but he doesn’t even consider it, unlike Luke who ‘has a bad feeling about this.’ He never gave up, like Hamill said Luke would never do. This is the difference between Jake Skywalker and Charles Xavier. One is a tragic hero, the other is nothing. There’s a reason one is the first superhero flick to get an Oscar nom for writing.

Also Xavier confirmed to be a better Jedi than Ep8 Luke.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

A person in their 20's or even 30's likely won't get that, but I think the older you get, the more you will understand Luke in TLJ.

Too true.

Edit - Wow Khev, we're on the same page I see! Literally wrote something very similar at he same time.

Obviously many people just wanted Luke to behave as if the Endor celebration had taken place the previous day as opposed to *30 years* earlier.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

People tend to be more optimistic and hopeful in their youth, trying to persevere to right the wrongs in people and the world. As you get older, sometimes you see the most clear cut way to prevent harm is by doing that thing you wouldn't have done in your youth, like (momentarily considering) killing Ben. Also, as these things weigh on your soul, the tragedies, the loss and pain, they wear you down and change you. I can understand Luke exiling himself, as I'm sure he felt responsible for Ben and the death of his students, he likely felt the galaxy was better off without him.

A person in their 20's or even 30's likely won't get that, but I think the older you get, the more you will understand Luke in TLJ.

I'm older than Mark Hamill...I still don't get why Luke went stupid...oh wait I know..Its because Kennedy cant stand the old fashioned hero or the old fashioned religion....Luke wasn't wearing enough purple I guess or something like that...Direct quote from Johnson "lets give Star Wars and Khev the enema they deserve..it'll make all who wish upon a star to feel better...oh wait what I said truthfully might be construed as political...oooohhh

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You keep bringing up this example like it’s irrefutable

Well when I'm right I'm right.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I pray Kylo kills them all...goes mad F n king on all!...Kill the entire past....then add fairy dust....aaahhh...now that's better

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I'm older than Mark Hamill...I still don't get why Luke went stupid...oh wait I know..Its because Kennedy cant stand the old fashioned heroor the old fashioned religion....Luke wasn't wearing enough purple I guess or something like that...Direct quote from Johnson "lets give Star Wars and Khev the enema they deserve..it'll make all who wish upon a star to feel better...oh wait what I said truthfully might be construed as political...oooohhh

You make so little sense...

I guess you just can't handle a three dimensional character.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You make so little sense...

I guess you just can't handle a three dimensional character.

no....I guess Kennedy cant handle real men of character...fact Luke was exterminated by the writers producers..thats all...TLJ was a Snuff film(started with TFA) to kill off What we knew about Star Wars and the force....Kennedy pulled a Queen Cersei move and blew up the Great Sept

 

[crows]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

People tend to be more optimistic and hopeful in their youth, trying to persevere to right the wrongs in people and the world. As you get older, sometimes you see the most clear cut way to prevent harm is by doing that thing you wouldn't have done in your youth, like (momentarily considering) killing Ben. Also, as these things weigh on your soul, the tragedies, the loss and pain, they wear you down and change you. I can understand Luke exiling himself, as I'm sure he felt responsible for Ben and the death of his students, he likely felt the galaxy was better off without him.

A person in their 20's or even 30's likely won't get that, but I think the older you get, the more you will understand Luke in TLJ.



Edit - Wow Khev, we're on the same page I see! Literally wrote something very similar at he same time.

kinda disrespectful to say that older people will quit and hide whenever there is trouble. do you see trump hiding after he gets did you ever see any US president act the way luke acts? how many presidents had wars while they were in office?
come on dude... thats like the most efed up thing you could ever say.... im shocked

Look at Holdo.... even in HIS OWN movie Rian Jhonson poops the bed...
Holdo is old, did she run? did she give up? she KILLS herself to "Save the day" regardless of the suicide message that sends, Imagine if Holdo acted like Luke..... just Imagine that... imagine if she took a ship and left to hide in cave cuz she was scared

Imagine if instead of dying by Vader's hands,
Obi Wan just left Tattoine when Vader rose to power and escaped like a COWARD. Imagine if he never meets Luke, if he never teaches him about the force....

Imagine if Jyn Erso's father NEVER created the Flaw on the Death star?

Imagine if he just escaped and hid on some cave like a coward while his daughter was out there.......

Imagine if Han Solo just hid like a Coward after Ben Solo turned evil, Imagine if Leia did....

This New Franchise... THIS NEW Trilogy is full of OLD heroes that did not run, did not hide. did not surrender. they Face Death, they fought for liberty....

Rian Jhonson made luke the biggest coward in the galaxy.

it reminds me of the end of Back to the future 3 when they are calling "Clint Eastwood" a coward and when they tell Marty that if he doesnt do that Duel he will be known as a coward for eternity.

Do you remember? do you remember when Marty wanted to run? when he wanted to hide? he faced Death.... just like Holdo, Just like Obi Wan, just like Leia

for Gods sake Leia LITERALLY gets Shot at.... in HIS OWN MOVIE... did she HIDE from ben?

NO!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Trailer Monday.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

guys go talk about it in the last jedi thread, open a new one or some ****.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

*marks Monday as a day to avoid logging in to SSF*

 

[a-dev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

guys go talk about it in the last jedi thread, open a new one or some ****.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

trust me, it’s my last resort.

there will be peace a-dev. if they ain’t gonna stop we might as well get them a sound-proof room.

the infestation is real.

 

[EVILFACE]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

 

[Captain Clown]

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[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

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Exactly....The Disney Narcotics have taken hold...In Solo he better sell narcotics...lol fairy dust Star Wars....My god who knew...LOL

 

[loki2371]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Johnson understood Luke just fine. People often change after 30 years, especially on account of profound emotional trauma. To ignore that fact is to simply demand that Luke be forever frozen in some kind of "Disney-fied" trance of heroic perfection. That might be great for cartoons or something but I'm glad that isn't what we got on film.

Luke found out in ESB that the most evil darkest soul in the galaxy was his father, who also was responsible for killing his aunt and uncle in cold blood, and he himself if he was there too. All this after idolizing the man as one of the greatest pilots in the galaxy, a great man and friend to Old Ben Kenobi. Why didn't he just have a break down then and there. He just lost his hand to boot.... He didn't run and hide then cause he was always meant to be the hero. No matter the odds or the atrocious acts he would witness towards himself and his friends, he fought on. He stayed to save his buddy Han, and try to redeem his father. Not seek revenge and kill him, but redeem him and turn him back to the light.... After knowing all he had already done.

Sorry, having bad feelings and visions about little sweet Kylo, who hasn't actually done anything evil yet, knowing Snoke was the one manipulating him, serves as the worst justification that a wiser older more experienced Luke would try to kill Kylo in his sleep rather than help him. And then, when he's caught in his moment of weakness by Kylo, he then cowers in shame to let his responsibility wreack havoc on the universe and ultimately kill Han... Rather than writing the wrong like he always did before.

Yep sounds about right... GOOD deep characterization and storytelling...