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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

My last sentence did sound like that didn't it. Sorry, that wasn't my intention, I hate that too.

Point very much taken on the merchandise aspect of all this. Although that's not a frustration I've seen expressed in these unrelenting youtube rant videos. My post is directed at the overdramatic tone of these videos and the fact that they're still pumping them out months later like as though we've never had a bad Star Wars film before.

Well, in (minor - I agree with you) defense/context of that kind of "enduring outrage machine" video - we have indeed had bad SW films before, but this time had a little twist: the unrelenting attack by the wider media and fansites (both with vested interests in placating and standing with Disney) on those who didn't like it.

Variously ID'ed in relentless, toxic articles as: older fans, white fans, male fans, pathetic neckbeard fans; and the reasons they didn't like it: they're internet trolls/haters with spam bots, they're alt-right, they aren't "real" fans, they just want the old and aren't open to new, they're intolerant/racist/misogynistic.

Frankly, it was infuriating watching media and fan sites tripping over themselves, pandering to Disney (so they could be first in line for the IW premiere,) to come up with horse**** about bots and RT conspiracies (all disproven with no follow-up of course,) garbage "evidence" that ESB was as fan divisive as TLJ (don't get me started on the Starlog "expose" that was used in dozens of articles), trumpeting standard mega-franchise BO performance as earth-shattering (we didn't hear so much about Minions making over a billion, or about AOTC's adjusted billion, right?) along with a relentless, toxic attack on fans who didn't like it.

It was such a pathetic testament to where film criticism and journalism is today - and the corporate shaping/exploitation/control of fandom.

And as a final spin, imagine if Ewan - who LOL'ed at much about the PT - suddenly was "gotten to" the way Hamill was (obvioulsy the stakes being much higher with the direct connection to the OT hero) and was suddenly gushing about how great AOTC was, and how he was all wrong to criticize.

This differentiated the situation a LOT from the backlash against the PT, and probably stuck in people's craws a whole lot more - hence the "yet ANOTHER anti-KK video" thing you mention.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Agreed, but to some degree I do take issue with this whole "if you don't like it, you don't have to buy/watch/discuss etc etc." we hear over and over.

The bottom line is that these newer SW entertainment products suck all the air from the room SW-wise. An example: I collect a lot of SW images (behind the scenes, rarer pics etc - mostly for custom reference) and sites like SW Facebook/Twitter were a great, consistent source of high res rarer/BTS pics from the OT. No more. Since TFA, there has been very few OT images - nearly everything has been ST or standalone related (say 95%.)

Then there's figures - how long ago would we have gotten to Ackbar, Walrusman and Veers if it wasn't for the ST? Instead we have dozens of ST and standalone characters. I understand that new SW entertainment drives OT stuff to be made (HT Tarkin wouldn't have happened without RO) - a tsunami of OT stuff in the PT era - but the reality is, people now know that the OT alone would continue to sell stuff like high-end 1/6 figs even without new movies.

So for me, I have to face movies that are somewhere between okay and turd-esque - which yes, I don't have to see - but they also distort the whole SW landscape so I don't get what I want in a wider fan sense, and the "universe" becomes cluttered with dozens of useless somewhat major new characters which in the end will be as remembered as much as Mr. Death Sticks from AOTC (Maz is a good example) is, yet must have a bevy of products to validate their existence.

Wow...the challenge with a lot of the fan culture is not neck beardism or misogyny but actually this weird and frankly bizarre belief that some fans have that THEIR opinions are so valid and true that they just MUST truly be shared by everyone...it's a little crazy and I hear it all the time...no offense but your post exemplifies this...we are supposed to hate the ST because thanks to it we don't get a Ponda Baba figure? What makes you think EVERYONE wants that....same goes for the hi res artwork that YOU are looking for. That's what YOU want...I may be looking for something else...a lot of people are loving their Hot Toys Anakin figures right now myself included...should we be mad that Lucas decided to make prequels and because if he had not Hot Toys would have fired up the factory and with nothing new coming out of Star Wars since 1983 randomly released the Hot Toys General Veers figure. It's silly to assume that your want list is THE want list and if it is not being produced someone or something is to blame...what you consider clutter some others consider enrichment and the characters that are useless to you are already loved by others...you have to know that right?
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Well, in (minor - I agree with you) defense/context of that kind of "enduring outrage machine" video - we have indeed had bad SW films before, but this time had a little twist: the unrelenting attack by the wider media and fansites (both with vested interests in placating and standing with Disney) on those who didn't like it.

Variously ID'ed in relentless, toxic articles as: older fans, white fans, male fans, pathetic neckbeard fans; and the reasons they didn't like it: they're internet trolls/haters with spam bots, they're alt-right, they aren't "real" fans, they just want the old and aren't open to new, they're intolerant/racist/misogynistic.

Frankly, it was infuriating watching media and fan sites tripping over themselves, pandering to Disney (so they could be first in line for the IW premiere,) to come up with horse**** about bots and RT conspiracies (all disproven with no follow-up of course,) garbage "evidence" that ESB was as fan divisive as TLJ (don't get me started on the Starlog "expose" that was used in dozens of articles), trumpeting standard mega-franchise BO performance as earth-shattering (we didn't hear so much about Minions making over a billion, or about AOTC's adjusted billion, right?) along with a relentless, toxic attack on fans who didn't like it.

It was such a pathetic testament to where film criticism and journalism is today - and the corporate shaping/exploitation/control of fandom.

And as a final spin, imagine if Ewan - who LOL'ed at much about the PT - suddenly was "gotten to" the way Hamill was (obvioulsy the stakes being much higher with the direct connection to the OT hero) and was suddenly gushing about how great AOTC was, and how he was all wrong to criticize.

This differentiated the situation a LOT from the backlash against the PT, and probably stuck in people's craws a whole lot more - hence the "yet ANOTHER anti-KK video" thing you mention.

Good post.

And I don't know how many times I've said I don't know which course for Solo would actually be better. It totally failing, or being huge and out grossing TLJ.

If it fails, it'll show fans were unhappy with TLJ. But Disney already has their out. They will spin it as fans were worried due to all the media about it's troubles behind the scenes. From the changing of directors so late in the game, the rumors of bad acting, and the story/script changes. Or dare they even say that all the "new" fans prefer the new ST characters? :slap .... MY point is, they already have all they need to spin it's failure as not due to fan backlash against TLJ.

But, what if Solo succeeds? Will they acknowledge there are still WAY more fans of the OT who want to see these characters and not the ST characters? Or will they come up with some other scenario of how/why it outperformed TLJ. Either way, Disney uses the Media to push it's own agenda and many in the Media are wary to truly feel free to give their honest opinions. They need to support Disney in order for their careers to flourish. Disney is too big now to be blacklisted by them.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wow...the challenge with a lot of the fan culture is not neck beardism or misogyny but actually this weird and frankly bizarre belief that some fans have that THEIR opinions are so valid and true that they just MUST truly be shared by everyone...it's a little crazy and I hear it all the time...no offense but your post exemplifies this...we are supposed to hate the ST because thanks to it we don't get a Ponda Baba figure? What makes you think EVERYONE wants that....same goes for the hi res artwork that YOU are looking for. That's what YOU want...I may be looking for something else...a lot of people are loving their Hot Toys Anakin figures right now myself included...should we be mad that Lucas decided to make prequels and because if he had not Hot Toys would have fired up the factory and with nothing new coming out of Star Wars since 1983 randomly released the Hot Toys General Veers figure. It's silly to assume that your want list is THE want list and if it is not being produced someone or something is to blame...what you consider clutter some others consider enrichment and the characters that are useless to you are already loved by others...you have to know that right?

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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

What are the chances of a de-aged HF cameo at the end?

How much does HF hate Han/SW?

How much does Disney not give a **** what HF likes or hates?

How much money would it take to make HF not hate Han/SW?
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

What are the chances of a de-aged HF cameo at the end?

I think they're gonna do an Anthony Ingruber cameo at the end - so Han transitions from Alden into Ingruber into Ford - like the development of the Clone Trooper into the Stormtrooper
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think maybe there is more blame to go around besides KK....

If you wanna blame people , you can blame Hamill , Ford, and Lucas...

But we don’t blame those people...


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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wow...the challenge with a lot of the fan culture is not neck beardism or misogyny but actually this weird and frankly bizarre belief that some fans have that THEIR opinions are so valid and true that they just MUST truly be shared by everyone...it's a little crazy and I hear it all the time...no offense but your post exemplifies this...we are supposed to hate the ST because thanks to it we don't get a Ponda Baba figure? What makes you think EVERYONE wants that....same goes for the hi res artwork that YOU are looking for. That's what YOU want...I may be looking for something else...a lot of people are loving their Hot Toys Anakin figures right now myself included...should we be mad that Lucas decided to make prequels and because if he had not Hot Toys would have fired up the factory and with nothing new coming out of Star Wars since 1983 randomly released the Hot Toys General Veers figure. It's silly to assume that your want list is THE want list and if it is not being produced someone or something is to blame...what you consider clutter some others consider enrichment and the characters that are useless to you are already loved by others...you have to know that right?

HT Ponda Baba + HT Landspeeder + HT Ackbar + HT Han Bespin + HT Leia Slave + HT Greedo + HT Veers + HT Biker Scout (all in hand by 2017) >>> TLJ.:lecture

I THINK I'd have more than a few agreeing with me on that too.:lol

And god forbid fans would want their opinions to be widely shared, right? And on a fan forum no less. Yes, how frankly bizarre and weird.:slap

And who the **** said that I meant that EVERYONE wants a Ponda Baba figure or never-before-seen/making-of OT hi-res pics? I simply cited two examples from my personal perspective - it's pretty patently obvious that other fans would have other examples from their perspectives.

The point of my post was simply that it's arrogant and deceptive bs to say "if you don't like it, then just don't watch it" - as if fans who just ignore the ST aren't missing out on anything SW-wise. But yes, of course... even suggesting that is arrogant and bs, as is a fan wanting his opinion to be widely shared.:lol


HE'S JUST AN ACTOR YOU KNOW*

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*And he's surprisingly dull and "actor-ish" in his doc series about religion/God - which you'd think MF's "persona" would be a perfect match for.:dunno
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Good post.

And I don't know how many times I've said I don't know which course for Solo would actually be better. It totally failing, or being huge and out grossing TLJ.

If it fails, it'll show fans were unhappy with TLJ. But Disney already has their out. They will spin it as fans were worried due to all the media about it's troubles behind the scenes. From the changing of directors so late in the game, the rumors of bad acting, and the story/script changes. Or dare they even say that all the "new" fans prefer the new ST characters? :slap .... MY point is, they already have all they need to spin it's failure as not due to fan backlash against TLJ.

But, what if Solo succeeds? Will they acknowledge there are still WAY more fans of the OT who want to see these characters and not the ST characters? Or will they come up with some other scenario of how/why it outperformed TLJ. Either way, Disney uses the Media to push it's own agenda and many in the Media are wary to truly feel free to give their honest opinions. They need to support Disney in order for their careers to flourish. Disney is too big now to be blacklisted by them.

This brings to mind the battered wife who rationalizes staying with her scumbag husband.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Review embargo lifts May 15th, 10 days before release. Disney must be confident in this.

Deadpool 2 reviews arrive on the same day as well.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

It's a Disney movie so it's already guaranteed the 100% "fresh" rating from RT since Disney pays them. Embargo's are a thing of the past for franchises. Look at The Last Jedi/Thor Ragnarok/Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for examples.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Exactly, it's just sad that audiences can't see that too.

But hey, if it tricks people into giving you their money why stop!? :lol
 
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