Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Asta]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Accurately depict the character. Lucasfilm really does think its audience is stupid. They thought they could get away with TLJ.

Lucas got away with quite a bit back in the '70s, but Disney wouldn't want to be seen glamourizing drug-running in a family movie.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Accurately depict the character. Lucasfilm really does think its audience is stupid. They thought they could get away with TLJ.

There is no way you could accurately show the formative experiences of a character like ANH Han in the context of a Disney SW film. I always saw him as coming from a cynical and cruel upbringing/background/world - he's the Don Draper of space opera. Smelling of booze, cigarettes and lingering cheap perfume from the night before (like from that female Greedo chick from the SE.) How you going to depict that on a popcorn box and soda cup?

Lucas got away with quite a bit back in the '70s, but Disney wouldn't want to be seen glamourizing drug-running in a family movie.

The fact it's not the 1970's anymore goes a long way to discerning why post-OT SW is what it is. The 70's (and very early 80's) was an all-bets-are-off, no-one knows what's appropriate or even cares, let's-search-for-answers-in-dark-holes era. It was the best of times and the ****ing worst of times and it showed in the movies.

 

[Johnny1378]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Spoiler

Thank you for sharing that. I’d never seen it. That was almost as good as Kevin Smith’s John Peters story. Lol. That guy perfectly captures what the atmosphere at the time felt like, both right before and right after the release of The Phantom Menace. I couldn’t stop laughing at the Terrance Stamp part of the story. Lol

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

That's because the Han Solo you see in Solo isn't the Solo you see in the first Star Wars. They're two completely different characters.

This movie was just made up. It doesn't count. Original Han was smuggling spices and DRUGS with Chewie before the events of Star Wars, not "fuel cells". ****ing Disney.

I know some fans consider all the films as part of a larger story. They consider the prequel trilogy, and these new spinoffs as part of the Star Wars canon, as Disney will claim that it all is. But personally, I don't consider anything beyond the original 3 films to really be part of the same story (though I do accept Return of the Jedi, dammit!). It's all just studio approved fan fiction to me.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So what we have here with Solo is a missed opportunity at something that would’ve been legendary regardless of RT score or box office.

What i’m referring to is the train set piece.

Had that scene been allowed to breath by making the movie just 15 minutes longer hell not even just 10 minutes longer, this way nothing else would need to get sacrificed for it, they could’ve had themselves a SW version of Road Warrior that would’ve been better than anything from Fury Road.

As it stands there’s just a taste of it all the elements are present but they had to rush it.

Hell keep the movie the same length but save valuable screen time by eliminating Rio’s character and bringing Val into the core battle. Rio served no purpose other than his die alone sermon which I liked but I like SW having a Road Warrior moment better!

All the makings were there, Enfys Nest and her marauders on fast moving smaller vehicles flanking a larger vehicle that was literally carrying “fuel” cells, harpoons, post apocalyptic costumes, magnetic boots, jumping from vehicle to vehicle hell it even one ups Fury Road and elevates the stakes by having them high up on a train that freaking dipped into corners!

Oh god this hurts to type.

Oh man what it could’ve been compared to what it was.

What’s there is good BUT they had their hands on what could’ve potentially been legendary not just in SW but in all of cinema.

So yeah there’s that lol

Extended scene please i’ll pay for it lol

 

[Asta]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Thank you for sharing that. I’d never seen it. That was almost as good as Kevin Smith’s John Peters story. Lol. That guy perfectly captures what the atmosphere at the time felt like, both right before and right after the release of The Phantom Menace. I couldn’t stop laughing at the Terrance Stamp part of the story. Lol

Pretty much sums up my disbelief on seeing TPM for the first time!

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

If Lucasfilm is not willing to portray Han as the self centered underworld guy that he was then they shouldn't have made the movie at all. Leave it for the comics so it can be done right.

Those of you who are..

These types a films eventually lose its flavor. There will come a time when you'll want to spit it out.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So what we have here with Solo is a missed opportunity at something that would’ve been legendary regardless of RT score or box office.

What i’m referring to is the train set piece.

Had that scene been allowed to breath by making the movie just 15 minutes longer hell not even just 10 minutes longer, this way nothing else would need to get sacrificed for it, they could’ve had themselves a SW version of Road Warrior that would’ve been better than anything from Fury Road.

As it stands there’s just a taste of it all the elements are present but they had to rush it.

Hell keep the movie the same length but save valuable screen time by eliminating Rio’s character and bringing Val into the core battle. Rio served no purpose other than his die alone sermon which I liked but I like SW having a Road Warrior moment better!

All the makings were there, Enfys Nest and her marauders on fast moving smaller vehicles flanking a larger vehicle that was literally carrying “fuel” cells, harpoons, post apocalyptic costumes, magnetic boots, jumping from vehicle to vehicle hell it even one ups Fury Road and elevates the stakes by having them high up on a train that freaking dipped into corners!

Oh god this hurts to type.

Oh man what it could’ve been compared to what it was.

What’s there is good BUT they had their hands on what could’ve potentially been legendary not just in SW but in all of cinema.

So yeah there’s that lol

Extended scene please i’ll pay for it lol

I liked the train heist until Josie and the Pussycats showed up on their chopper hogs.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Crocodile Dundee was sexist, racist and homophobic. Let's not bring that back

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...acist-and-homophobic-lets-not-bring-that-back

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

But personally, I don't consider anything beyond the original 3 films to really be part of the same story (though I do accept Return of the Jedi, dammit!). It's all just studio approved fan fiction to me.

Luke and Leia being siblings is stupid and lazy writing. ROTJ don't count neither.

But yes, I agree with you. All these movies just don't feel like they add up to one larger story, especially with crap like TPM, Solo and RO changing the characters at the expense of the story. Like, why did you have to make C-3PO and Vader connected? I don't get it. It makes what used to feel like this large and expansive universe feel really, really small. The sequel trilogy just adds insult to injury.

 

[Asta]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

 

[xipotec]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

about to sit down and see it again...get a beer and a pretzel...

Full review and impressions afterward..



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[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Luke and Leia being siblings is stupid and lazy writing. ROTJ don't count neither.

But yes, I agree with you. All these movies just don't feel like they add up to one larger story, especially with crap like TPM, Solo and RO changing the characters at the expense of the story. Like, why did you have to make C-3PO and Vader connected? I don't get it. It makes what used to feel like this large and expansive universe feel really, really small. The sequel trilogy just adds insult to injury.

True, but there's no way to totally discount the movie with Palps and Jabba front and center.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So what we have here with Solo is a missed opportunity at something that would’ve been legendary regardless of RT score or box office.

What i’m referring to is the train set piece.

That was the one thing from the movie where I felt some real tension, and I liked it a lot. But I personally didn't think it was great. Only in comparison to the rest of the hum-drum film.

ROTJ don't count neither.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

True, but there's no way to totally discount the movie with Palps and Jabba front and center.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

The problem with portraying Han as the good guy is that it undermines the character's journey in the OT. It discredits his turn around. So now it's like, he was already that guy anyways.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

That's because the Han Solo you see in Solo isn't the Solo you see in the first Star Wars. They're two completely different characters.

This movie was just made up. It doesn't count. Original Han was smuggling spices and DRUGS with Chewie before the events of Star Wars, not "fuel cells". ****ing Disney.

It’s important to remember that this is never explicitly stated in the film.

Because it was a film for kids.

So much of what we know about these characters are extraneous info gained over decades.

It possible we learn this fuel is made from crushed children, AND can be used as a drug, then everyone can be happy that Han is dark and macho badass again.

It would be a terrible message to make Han a drugs smuggler in today’s climate , considering the problems we are having. Especially for a film aimed at kids.




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[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Alden's Solo sync'd up with Ford's 1977 Solo pretty much perfectly though I can't say I'm surprised if casual fans who were born after the OT was released in theaters fail to realize it. When Leia said "I knew there was more to you than money!" she was making a statement of fact. Even ANH Chewie knew it was against Han's character to abandon Luke and Leia in their hour of need which is why he chastised him while he was packing up the reward money.

He didn't "always do the right thing" in Solo. Otherwise he would have joined Enfys Nest's group when asked. His default mode was to have tunnel vision and look out for himself *unless* his nose was rubbed in a true injustice (he didn't care about the Kessel slaves until Chewie forced him to look and he didn't care about the Rebellion until his new friends were about to get vaporized. ) Then his altruistic side would come out and he'd act accordingly. Yes he refused to rescue Leia until a reward was offered but that's consistent with his character because she was just a nameless, faceless prisoner at that point.

Han rescuing Chewie from slavery was always the original backstory for how they met which you'd think would be an act of altruism but interestingly enough "Solo" did *not* present that fateful act accordingly and instead made Chewie's rescue a moment of simple self-preservation on Han's part. Very well done.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You've been Fatwa'd.

 

[Asta]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

The problem with portraying Han as the good guy is that it undermines the character's journey in the OT. It discredits his turn around. So now it's like, he was already that guy anyways.

It makes more sense that he had a good heart, otherwise his change at the end of ANH would've been more far fetched.

Khev explains it well...

Alden's Solo sync'd up with Ford's 1977 Solo pretty much perfectly though I can't say I'm surprised if casual fans who were born after the OT was released in theaters fail to realize it. When Leia said "I knew there was more to you than money!" she was making a statement of fact. Even ANH Chewie knew it was against Han's character to abandon Luke and Leia in their hour of need which is why he chastised him while he was packing up the reward money.

He didn't "always do the right thing" in Solo. Otherwise he would have joined Enfys Nest's group when asked. His default mode was to have tunnel vision and look out for himself *unless* his nose was rubbed in a true injustice (he didn't care about the Kessel slaves until Chewie forced him to look and he didn't care about the Rebellion until his new friends were about to get vaporized. ) Then his altruistic side would come out and he'd act accordingly. Yes he refused to rescue Leia until a reward was offered but that's consistent with his character because she was just a nameless, faceless prisoner at that point.

Han rescuing Chewie from slavery was always the original backstory for how they met which you'd think would be an act of altruism but interestingly enough "Solo" did *not* present that fateful act accordingly and instead made Chewie's rescue a moment of simple self-preservation on Han's part. Very well done.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Second viewing i noticed this awesome background alien from RO fleeing the spice mines of Kessel while Han and company fought outside the Falcon.

I was also happy to see the return of RO's creepy "decraniated" servants (people missing the top halves of their heads.)